Atlanta Project Thread IV - Page 199

bigstick · #**3961** Posted **Jun 12, 2019, 3:05 PM**

Heck just put EVIVA there,,

jpk1292000 · #**3962** Posted **Jun 12, 2019, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Username123

I’m glad they are being pushed to design something better. I was pretty excited to see the renderings, as I live a couple blocks from this site. These don’t look great, but I think the developers will come back with a better design.

Agreed. As much as I hate this design, I think it will be considerably better after working with Tim Keane's group. The Element hotel downtown is a good example of a huge improvement upon an awful initial design after working with Tim's group

https://saportareport.com/tim-keane-to-atlanta-no-more-ugly-buildings-focus-on-quality-design/

Sura · #**3963** Posted **Jun 12, 2019, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Martinman

Not sure where they are from but A3k posted these rendering of the project behind St Marks.

https://twitter.com/cbenderatl/status/1121010026724974592

Maybe someone should show them this.

montydawg · #**3964** Posted **Jun 12, 2019, 4:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sura

Maybe someone should show them this.

This is an impressive project for sure, however, if you compare this with the current proposal, you will notice that this has about 40% fewer units that the current proposal. The building is taller than the current proposal, but has fewer units, so the economics probably don't match up with what financing they can get for this site. They will probably just concentrate on making the facade look better to appeal to a wider audience

bigstick · #**3965** Posted **Jun 12, 2019, 4:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sura

Maybe someone should show them this.

Yes, how quickly we forget. I vote for this one...

smArTaLlone · #**3966** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 12:35 AM**

https://www.smithdalia.com/675-drewry-st/

Street Advocate · #**3967** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 1:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

Smith Dalia’s 675 drewery renderings

Wow, I was a proponent of this initially and although hopeful for more quality designs. These are great. Would love to see more of this throughout Atlanta

jpk1292000 · #**3968** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 1:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Wow, I was a proponent of this initially and although hopeful for more quality designs. These are great. Would love to see more of this throughout Atlanta

Yeah this looks great.

smArTaLlone · #**3969** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 3:11 PM**

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

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MARTA’s board of directors on Thursday is expected to consider a resolution to hire a real estate brokerage to market the station for development.

MARTA wouldn’t disclose the firm. “MARTA wants to utilize a brokerage service to complement our procurement process to cast as wide a net as possible for the North Avenue Station project,” said a spokeswoman.

As Midtown’s Technology Square continues to develop to the south, more developers could see the potential for a project at the North Avenue station. The zoning for the site, which is bounded by North Avenue, West Peachtree Street and Ponce de Leon Avenue, has no building height restrictions.

Ant131531 · #**3970** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 3:46 PM**

I wonder how hard it would be to develop that lot with the tracks underneath.

Historic · #**3971** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 3:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ant131531

I wonder how hard it would be to develop that lot with the tracks underneath.

Yeah, same. Though if New York City can build supertalls on top of of their subway networks, I'm sure a less complex network like ours can figure it out.

Ant131531 · #**3972** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Historic

Yeah, same. Though if New York City can build supertalls on top of of their subway networks, I'm sure a less complex network like ours can figure it out.

Don't their subway lines usually follow the streets?

montydawg · #**3973** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 4:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ant131531

Don't their subway lines usually follow the streets?

There are a few lines where subways go under buildings, but those lines are modern lines built with tunnel boring machines, e.g. the 7 extension into Hudson yards and also the 2nd ave subway. The older lines are under the streets, however, considerable care has to be made when creating a neighboring foundation of building so the rail line is not disturbed. Like Atlanta, New York has lots of granite under the surface, so foundations are easy.

They will probably build the high rise portion over the North Avenue station where the bus depot is now, rather than over the rail platforms and track, and build a smaller building over the station or leave it as it is. Who knows if the station was designed to hold a building on top of it.

MARTAisSmarta · #**3974** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 4:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by montydawg

There are a few lines where subways go under buildings, but those lines are modern lines built with tunnel boring machines, e.g. the 7 extension into Hudson yards and also the 2nd ave subway. The older lines are under the streets, however, considerable care has to be made when creating a neighboring foundation of building so the rail line is not disturbed. Like Atlanta, New York has lots of granite under the surface, so foundations are easy.

They will probably build the high rise portion over the North Avenue station where the bus depot is now, rather than over the rail platforms and track, and build a smaller building over the station or leave it as it is. Who knows if the station was designed to hold a building on top of it.

I believe this section of Marta was built cut & cover, so not exactly the same as what you're suggesting. Look at the foundations for 1105 W. Peachtree as an example of what they will have to do.

montydawg · #**3975** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 4:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by MARTAisSmarta

I believe this section of Marta was built cut & cover, so not exactly the same as what you're suggesting. Look at the foundations for 1105 W. Peachtree as an example of what they will have to do.

I was commenting on NYC subway construction methods- no boring machine was used in Atlanta's tunnels. My thoughts were that they could drive some piles for foundation where the bus depot is now- it does not appear there is anything below that part of the site. If you look in the picture above, it appears there is quite a large area devoted to the track and station near West Peachtree, and unless the station was designed to have building foundations in it, it might be difficult to create building foundations through the existing station.

MARTAisSmarta · #**3976** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by montydawg

I was commenting on NYC subway construction methods- no boring machine was used in Atlanta's tunnels. My thoughts were that they could drive some piles for foundation where the bus depot is now- it does not appear there is anything below that part of the site. If you look in the picture above, it appears there is quite a large area devoted to the track and station near West Peachtree, and unless the station was designed to have building foundations in it, it might be difficult to create building foundations through the existing station.

For 1105 they have deep foundations with girders spanning the tracks below to transfer the building loads to the foundations. Very similar to the building in Buckhead that spans 400.

montydawg · #**3977** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 6:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by MARTAisSmarta

For 1105 they have deep foundations with girders spanning the tracks below to transfer the building loads to the foundations. Very similar to the building in Buckhead that spans 400.

The difference between the North Ave site and 1105 is that 1105 is covering a 50' or so wide tunnel that is below ground level, however, the N Ave site is an entire station that abuts West Peachtree street and partially above ground, so it may be more difficult to engineer such an arrangement.

smArTaLlone · #**3978** Posted **Jun 13, 2019, 11:39 PM**

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...roject.html?iana=hpmvp_atl_news_headline

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MARTA has tapped JLL to market its North Avenue station for a “signature tower project.”

MARTA’s board of directors Thursday approved a resolution to hire the brokerage. It’s the first time MARTA has engaged a third-party firm to assist its transit-oriented development (TOD) program, which aims to add density around its stations.

“What we are doing is really an industry practice, bringing in a brokerage firm to help us define what we are going to do, market it and maximize the development opportunity, which at the end of the day means more revenue to MARTA,” MARTA CEO and General Manager Jeffrey Parker told Atlanta Business Chronicle on Thursday.

A developer would need to secure the air rights to the North Avenue station, meaning a project there would soar above the transit station. The site is bounded by West Peachtree Street, Ponce de Leon Avenue and North Avenue.

“We are looking to JLL to help us frame the offer, frame the RFP, so we get as much competition as we can,” Parker said.

Metrophile · #**3979** Posted **Jun 14, 2019, 12:16 AM**

Martinman · #**3980** Posted **Jun 14, 2019, 12:57 AM**

A significant tower at the North Ave station would be a amazing!

Oooof. I Didn’t imagine it would be this bad.

I had a couple of thoughts on ways they could improve this...

scrap the L shape for something a little more creative and less bulky in appearance.

Use small spires at the corners that speak to the gothic style.