Winnipeg Construction IX

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Oh well, the cars can be moved and the window replaced or repaired. Amazing area just a 10 minute walk from Waterfront Drive and under 10 minutes by bike to Portage and Main. Thirty years ago Waterfront Drive didn't exist. It was a forlorn gravel road with a railway stub line, I think unused by that point. Come on Millies, get it together, where else can you get near riverfront property and a decent lot size for under $150,000? At first it'll be a bit shabby chic but eventually the area will become very livable esp. as older well-built homes in central areas become even more desirable.

And Waterfront was developed into nice medium density mixed use, not SFH.

It would be a monumental mistake for the city to yet again sell off all that riverfront land for private/SFH development, and it sounds like they've finally learned from the past. Should be putting a caveat on any sale that the city will be buying back X ft of frontage for public use, and not selling off any of the city-owned land.

[joshlemer]

Speaking of point douglas, what's the deal with gateway industries? From google maps it looks like an actual dump https://www.google.com/maps/@49.9000252,-97.1125672,281a,35y,3.62h,33.42t/data=!3m1!1e3

Is it some kind of scrap yard, or are the owners just extremely messy?

[peg]

Originally Posted by joshlemer

Speaking of point douglas, what's the deal with gateway industries? From google maps it looks like an actual dump https://www.google.com/maps/@49.9000252,-97.1125672,281a,35y,3.62h,33.42t/data=!3m1!1e3

Is it some kind of scrap yard, or are the owners just extremely messy?

I've been there a few times to explore... its abandoned, the roof has collapsed on the main building and the other buildings on maps were demolished as they all burnt down. I think the only building that may still be in use is the office, as it still had power I thunk? But even then it has to be in rough shape as the building attached has a collapsed roof... most of the site is empty, piles of rubble, foundations or just old industrial trash.

[bomberjet]

I thought the Province is in control of the site? Or was it just their dream to turn it into a park.

It's contaminated, shingles for riverbanks, things like that.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by buzzg

And Waterfront was developed into nice medium density mixed use, not SFH.

It would be a monumental mistake for the city to yet again sell off all that riverfront land for private/SFH development, and it sounds like they've finally learned from the past. Should be putting a caveat on any sale that the city will be buying back X ft of frontage for public use, and not selling off any of the city-owned land.

I was only referring to the existing housing stock in the two residential nodes, which should be preserved. The balance of the land in south Pt. Douglas should be developed as mixed income medium density housing, including a couple of low rise apartment blocks (5-6 storeys maximum), townhouses and row housing along Higgins. The design has to be sympathetic to the existing structures and be compatible with the riverfront focus. Nothing garish. The spaceship is neat, but you don't need anymore of them. I agree, no SFH, no front garages and no driveways. Existing structures should be preserved, 68 Higgins would make beautiful apartments, not 1500 sq ft luxury condos, but 800 sq foot quality apartments, flanked by simple but aesthetically pleasing brick row-housing.

A certain portion of the units, at least 30%, should be designated as affordable, that is, affordable for someone or a family earning 50 to 60% of the median income. There could be a public housing component, ie. for veterans, low income seniors or those transitioning from homelessness, spread amongst the various development, the balance at market rates at a price point affordable to those with close to the median income; Winnipeg's housing remains relatively affordable, and household (though not individual) incomes here are higher than in Toronto or Vancouver.

And yes, there has to be a public component in this. There is a national housing strategy in place.

The development would be transit oriented from the beginning as it is served by the 44 and 47 routes as well as additional peak hour routes. Service could also be supplemented to ensure no more than 10 minute frequencies at any time by extending one or two of the mainline routes that terminate downtown to a terminus near the Louise Bridge.

https://www.novoco.com/periodicals/artic...-provides-affordable-housing-minneapolis

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by joshlemer

Speaking of point douglas, what's the deal with gateway industries? From google maps it looks like an actual dump https://www.google.com/maps/@49.9000252,-97.1125672,281a,35y,3.62h,33.42t/data=!3m1!1e3

Is it some kind of scrap yard, or are the owners just extremely messy?

big mess in there.

it was a soap paper and printing buisnes in there.


gateway shut down around 2000-2002 after some bs caused by the city from the cities faiure to maintain the sewer and got gateway fined witch in the end cost the city allot of money and gateway said screw it and stop its operations

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by peg

I've been there a few times to explore... its abandoned, the roof has collapsed on the main building and the other buildings on maps were demolished as they all burnt down. I think the only building that may still be in use is the office, as it still had power I thunk? But even then it has to be in rough shape as the building attached has a collapsed roof... most of the site is empty, piles of rubble, foundations or just old industrial trash.

last time i was exploring there they had fixed that cave in and had torn down the remains of the paper mill that had burnt. spent lots time hanging out there around all the industrial junk shame the cast iron drafting tables got bulldozed was a neat collection of them in the yard at one point under a tarp that prolly came out of vulcan iron works

[Curmudgeon]

^^ incredible potential with the river on 3 sides and great views, there's some green space in the area already. I just hope that the soil isn't contaminated.

[Biff]

Maybe turn it into Brisbane's Kangaroo Point.

[peg]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

last time i was exploring there they had fixed that cave in and had torn down the remains of the paper mill that had burnt. spent lots time hanging out there around all the industrial junk shame the cast iron drafting tables got bulldozed was a neat collection of them in the yard at one point under a tarp that prolly came out of vulcan iron works

There was a collapse in the main building as of April, I'd be amazed if that business has the money to fix it, especially since that collapse was there the first time I went in spring 2018... seems like they gave up on that site a long time ago. It is a shame, they could have sold those off, would have been neat pieces :/

[cllew]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

^^ incredible potential with the river on 3 sides and great views, there's some green space in the area already. I just hope that the soil isn't contaminated.

Gateway shows up on the MB Contaminated sites list but it does not show as contaminated or impacted status which means its either been cleaned up or is at a low level

[Labroco]

Originally Posted by cllew

Gateway shows up on the MB Contaminated sites list but it does not show as contaminated or impacted status which means its either been cleaned up or is at a low level

My understanding is MB contaminated sites are determined by obtaining all environmental reports generated in the province and referring to them to make an assessment. If there is no report... there is no assessment. I would suggest there has not been a full phase one and phase two environmental report commissioned for this site to determine how badly it is impacted. Needless to say... the site is very impacted.

It is unbuildable and should become a keystone park along the lines of The Brickworks here in Toronto. Evergreen.ca


The houses you refer to are mostly own by gateway. Curtis street homes are individually owned and offer a beautiful opportunity for young people. Alas nothing is for sale and not at 150k.

Two very interesting residential projects on Waterfront by rndsqr of Calgary designed by 546 arch.

I’m starting to think with the relocation of Canada carriage into manitobafilmstudios.com perhaps there may be merit in closing Louis bridge to vehicular traffic all togeather and leave it for transit / pedestrian / bike only...

Without through vehicular traffic and access from the west only instead, maybe an enclave could develop.

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by Labroco

Two very interesting residential projects on Waterfront by rndsqr of Calgary designed by 546 arch.

Wow 546 is owning Waterfront dr that would be 5 developments of theirs along that stretch.

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by joshlemer

Speaking of point douglas, what's the deal with gateway industries? From google maps it looks like an actual dump https://www.google.com/maps/@49.9000252,-97.1125672,281a,35y,3.62h,33.42t/data=!3m1!1e3

Is it some kind of scrap yard, or are the owners just extremely messy?

Anyone know why Border Glass has such an odd shaped building? Is there some sore of weird ROW there that they had to curve the building like that?

Would love to see Higgins straightened out to be brought in alignment with the part of it west of Annabella, to give more space for a riverfront park/amenities and the sites mentioned above redeveloped. It would slow down vehicles entering/exiting the bridge – but I like that.

Also we need to stop allowing big trucks to turn left off Higgins onto Waterfront. They should be going right to Main.

[EspionNoir]

Oh my lord.

514 Wellington is scheduled to be demolished tomorrow.

Seriously, what in the world.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByZXkUVjYN1/?igshid=gejqt05gpf98

I guess the owner wants to replace it with something modern?(?)

[buzzg]

The amount of teardown and rebuilds in the last 2 years on Wellington is astonishing.

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by EspionNoir

Oh my lord.

514 Wellington is scheduled to be demolished tomorrow.

Seriously, what in the world.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByZXkUVjYN1/?igshid=gejqt05gpf98

I guess the owner wants to replace it with something modern?(?)

residents had 4000 signatures to save it, but supposedly it's trash inside and owner (Jeff Thompson) wants a 3500 sq ft house. no idea how you get 4000 signatures, the power of social media and multiple profiles?

[esquire]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Anyone know why Border Glass has such an odd shaped building? Is there some sore of weird ROW there that they had to curve the building like that?

Would love to see Higgins straightened out to be brought in alignment with the part of it west of Annabella, to give more space for a riverfront park/amenities and the sites mentioned above redeveloped. It would slow down vehicles entering/exiting the bridge – but I like that.

Also we need to stop allowing big trucks to turn left off Higgins onto Waterfront. They should be going right to Main.

Re: Border Glass, there used to be a lot of industrial railway spurs running off the CP main line into the area which created odd angles. You see this type of thing a fair bit in St. James near where the various spurs used to run, industrial buildings are wedged into odd-shaped parcels.

And yes, traffic mitigation has to be part of the equation somehow for Point Douglas. If the area is going to stand any chance of revitalization, it can't have a big commuting route with semis pounding away all day going right down the middle. Cutting off the Louise Bridge to traffic could be one way of doing that.

Originally Posted by buzzg

The amount of teardown and rebuilds in the last 2 years on Wellington is astonishing.

This sort of thing has been happening in other cities for years and years, and I was wondering when we'd see this type of activity in Winnipeg. Rebuilding the housing stock in the inner city is a good thing... preservation is good too, but I don't think we can reasonably expect all the old homes to be preserved.

[Bluenote]

Originally Posted by esquire

Re: Border Glass, there used to be a lot of industrial railway spurs running off the CP main line into the area which created odd angles. You see this type of thing a fair bit in St. James near where the various spurs used to run, industrial buildings are wedged into odd-shaped parcels.

And yes, traffic mitigation has to be part of the equation somehow for Point Douglas. If the area is going to stand any chance of revitalization, it can't have a big commuting route with semis pounding away all day going right down the middle. Cutting off the Louise Bridge to traffic could be one way of doing that.



This sort of thing has been happening in other cities for years and years, and I was wondering when we'd see this type of activity in Winnipeg. Rebuilding the housing stock in the inner city is a good thing... preservation is good too, but I don't think we can reasonably expect all the old homes to be preserved.

Dont forget the city has plans to create a connection between Regent/Nairn and Higgens which goes right over the main line through the old Gateway yards. So imagine alot more traffic for higgens then its has. I can see it being widened if this ever happens.

But id hope that most if not all the unique housing can e saved. There are even some old mansions made into rooming houses in the back area. It was at one time the wealthy part of winnipeg.

The autobody shops and what not need to be relocated. But keep all the historical buildings. They add charactor to the area.
There is a nice spot for a park where the old rail line was that used to run along the river and there was a few grain elevators there. Right across from the old flour mill.

I know that has amazing potential for condos......but having amazing greenspace there with a ped bridge to Whittier Park in St B i think woul entice developers more to build in all the other spots.

But they can do montreal style row houses. Weve done a few here. Smaller ones in River Park S and in the back SE corner of Royalwood Phase 2.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Dont forget the city has plans to create a connection between Regent/Nairn and Higgens which goes right over the main line through the old Gateway yards. So imagine alot more traffic for higgens then its has. I can see it being widened if this ever happens.

But id hope that most if not all the unique housing can e saved. There are even some old mansions made into rooming houses in the back area. It was at one time the wealthy part of winnipeg.

The autobody shops and what not need to be relocated. But keep all the historical buildings. They add charactor to the area.
There is a nice spot for a park where the old rail line was that used to run along the river and there was a few grain elevators there. Right across from the old flour mill.

I know that has amazing potential for condos......but having amazing greenspace there with a ped bridge to Whittier Park in St B i think woul entice developers more to build in all the other spots.

But they can do montreal style row houses. Weve done a few here. Smaller ones in River Park S and in the back SE corner of Royalwood Phase 2.

Unique housing? The whole area needs to be razed, area has so much potential for something new!