YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 718

SpongeG · #**14341** Posted **Jun 5, 2019, 4:13 AM**

Beam Me Up!
June 4, 2019 · Emily Barrieau

Today YVR celebrated a major milestone with a steel topping ceremony for the expansion of the airport’s International Terminal Building, known as Pier D. The ceremony marked the completion of the structural phase of the building, which remains on schedule to open in 2020.

The expansion will continue with YVR’s well-known sense of place. Passengers will experience the beauty of B.C. with a glassed-in nature feature made up of three western hemlock (tsuga heterophylla) trees and will include a range of new amenities such as a digital experience, a next-generation pet relief area, energy-saving devices, new food and beverage options and much more.

Once complete, the expanded terminal will include an additional eight wide body gates, including four bridged gates and four remote stand operation (RSO) gates. The added gates will enable the airport to support large aircraft including the A380 which has a wingspan of 260 feet. This expansion will help YVR meet growing passenger demand, having welcomed a record 25.9 million passengers in 2018, better connecting British Columbians and local businesses to the world, while improving the airport experience.

The Pier D expansion incorporates approximately 9,000 steel members, weighing over 4.5 million kilograms.

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http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2019/beam-me-u...WKuQT5HlPjWFKdLQQ85IvQnpq8f4cfSOo6j3x0R8

Waders · #**14342** Posted **Jun 5, 2019, 5:12 AM**

A380?
There might not have a lot of them flying around in 10 years time.
Source

SFUVancouver · #**14343** Posted **Jun 5, 2019, 5:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Waders

A380?
There might not have a lot of them flying around in 10 years time.
Source

Doesn't hurt to still ensure that the terminal has gates that can accommodate the aircraft. Larger holding areas will continue to have utility even when the second level jet bridges aren't in use, particularly when the 777X pushes pax numbers to nearly A380 levels.

trofirhen · #**14344** Posted **Jun 5, 2019, 11:08 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Doesn't hurt to still ensure that the terminal has gates that can accommodate the aircraft. Larger holding areas will continue to have utility even when the second level jet bridges aren't in use, particularly when the 777X pushes pax numbers to nearly A380 levels.

Naïve question, I will admit, but do you know of any airlines / routes / in the future, that might use the 777X to YVR? British Airways, possibly. // Others?

SFUVancouver · #**14345** Posted **Jun 5, 2019, 11:19 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Naïve question, I will admit, but do you know of any airlines / routes / in the future, that might use the 777X to YVR? British Airways, possibly. // Others?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X#Orders

From that list, currently ANA, BA, Cathay Pacific, and Lufthansa all fly to YVR, so we may potentially see 777Xs from any or all of them. Perhaps Emirates, too, longer term, should they begin service to YVR.

trofirhen · #**14346** Posted **Jun 5, 2019, 11:40 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X#Orders

From that list, currently ANA, BA, Cathay Pacific, and Lufthansa all fly to YVR, so we may potentially see 777Xs from any or all of them. Perhaps Emirates, too, longer term, should they begin service to YVR.

Thank you for that informative link.
But EMIRATES? I thought they were considered toxic or forbidden for whatever reasons. ..................................................................
((( IST would be the ideal mideast destination for YVR, but thr TK asks for too much, and the government won't give more than 3x a week, and TK turned that down.))..............................................................
.... Excuse the digression, please. You mentioned Emirates. Is this just a metaphor for a given foreign airline, or are you stating that you see Emirates as a future Airline at YVR? ( I would have hoped for QATAR.

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However, I see that you state it in the subjunctive, so it's a mildly possible thing.

SFUVancouver · #**14347** Posted **Jun 6, 2019, 5:22 PM**

YVR has published its April 2019 traffic numbers. Some highlights follow:

Domestic - APRIL 984,161 (+1.8%) | YTD 3,808,017 (+2.4%)

Transborder - APRIL 520,894 (+5.1%) | YTD 2,048,262 (+3.4%)
Asia Pacific - APRIL 373,688 (+7.2%) | YTD 1,492,596 (+5.9%)
Europe - APRIL 97,704 (+3.2%) | YTD 328,683 (+0.4%)
Misc. - APRIL 100,671 (+3.4%) | YTD 434,438 (+1.8%)

Total International - APRIL 1,092,957 (+5.4%) | YTD 4,303,979 (+3.9%)

TOTAL (ALL SECTORS) - APRIL 2,077,118 (+3.7%) | YTD 8,111,996 (+3.2%)

Air Cargo - APRIL 24,536 (-4.8%) | YTD 94,818 (-3.1%)
Runway movements (JETS) - APRIL 12,975 (+8.1%) | YTD 38,684 (-19.4%)
Runway movements (TURBO-PROP) - APRIL 9,391 (-1.1%) | YTD 25,895 (-30.9%)
Runway movements (ALL) - APRIL 22,914 (-0.9%) | YTD 68,485 (-25.5%)

Source

Something seems off with the runway movement numbers.

SpongeG · #**14348** Posted **Jun 8, 2019, 4:24 AM**

at 8:19 you can see them transporting a bus

https://youtu.be/oDc-5jm1hXo?t=499

followed by an Omni Air International plane

Johnny Aussie · #**14349** Posted **Jun 9, 2019, 12:24 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

YVR has published its April 2019 traffic numbers. Some highlights follow:

Domestic - APRIL 984,161 (+1.8%) | YTD 3,808,017 (+2.4%)

Transborder - APRIL 520,894 (+5.1%) | YTD 2,048,262 (+3.4%)
Asia Pacific - APRIL 373,688 (+7.2%) | YTD 1,492,596 (+5.9%)
Europe - APRIL 97,704 (+3.2%) | YTD 328,683 (+0.4%)
Misc. - APRIL 100,671 (+3.4%) | YTD 434,438 (+1.8%)

Total International - APRIL 1,092,957 (+5.4%) | YTD 4,303,979 (+3.9%)

TOTAL (ALL SECTORS) - APRIL 2,077,118 (+3.7%) | YTD 8,111,996 (+3.2%)

Not a bad result at all.

I was curious how SEA would fare in April considering these all launched on 1 April:

JL SEA-NRT
CX SEA-HKG
DL SEA-KIX

April 2018 comparison:

SEA intl increased 5.1%. That's an increase of 22,527 pax.
YVR intl increased 5.4%. That's up over 56,000 intl pax. YVR's increase is almost 2.5x SEA's.

YTD comparison:

SEA has increased only 19,000 intl pax up about 1.2%
YVR has increased 160,000 intl pax up 3.4%

Later this year SEA gains SQ but loses Xiamen. Also AC has cut YYC and DL is cutting YYJ.

The gap continues to widen.....

whatnext · #**14350** Posted **Jun 11, 2019, 1:46 AM**

Anyone know why the NW corner of the MacArthur Glen parking lots is fenced off and dug up? Not that it was well used anyway.

trofirhen · #**14351** Posted **Jun 11, 2019, 2:29 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

YVR has published its April 2019 traffic numbers. Some highlights follow:

TOTAL (ALL SECTORS) - APRIL 2,077,118 (+3.7%) | YTD 8,111,996 (+3.2%)

Air Cargo - APRIL 24,536 (-4.8%) | YTD 94,818 (-3.1%)
Runway movements (JETS) - APRIL 12,975 (+8.1%) | YTD 38,684 (-19.4%)
Runway movements (TURBO-PROP) - APRIL 9,391 (-1.1%) | YTD 25,895 (-30.9%)
Runway movements (ALL) - APRIL 22,914 (-0.9%) | YTD 68,485 (-25.5%)

Source
Something seems off with the runway movement numbers.

Could this have anything to do with the extensive grounding of the Boeing 738 MAX? For example, I read that several normal daily flights to Hawaiian destinations are
being squeezed into one widebody, to take up the slack. Maybe I'm totally off. If so, excuse me please.

Gordon · #**14352** Posted **Jun 11, 2019, 4:02 AM**

If Air Canada's purchase of Air Transat goes through will Tansat likely become part of mainline or Rouge

Today two remote stands were in use D57 Air France and E85 was also in use.

connect2source · #**14353** Posted **Jun 11, 2019, 4:00 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon

If Air Canada's purchase of Air Transat goes through will Tansat likely become part of mainline or Rouge

Today two remote stands were in use D57 Air France and E85 was also in use.

My guess is that things have likely changed since the MAX groundings

Before I would have guessed the majority of the Transat fleet would have gone to Rouge with the 330s replacing some of the 767s but now AC needs mainline narrowbody lift and those brand new A321neos would be ideal for some of the MAX long and thin, suspended routes, such as YHZ-LHR.

nname · #**14354** Posted **Jun 12, 2019, 4:54 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon

If Air Canada's purchase of Air Transat goes through will Tansat likely become part of mainline or Rouge

Today two remote stands were in use D57 Air France and E85 was also in use.

So I guess YVR is rotating the remote stand through all the airlines?

2017 it was MU, CZ for international and UA for transborder
2018 it was JL, CZ for international and DL, AC for transborder
and now it's AF for international and WS for transborder
... whose turn it will be for the second half of the summer? Sounds like AA is the only one who haven't use the remote stand in transborder yet?

Doesn't seems like remote stand is actually needed today. Gate assignment as of noon:

Code:

47	AC	YUL -> YUL
48	AC	YYZ -> YYZ
49	AC	DEL -> YYZ
50	AC	PEK -> YYZ
51	AC	YYZ -> HKG
52	AC	YYZ -> PEK
53	AC	KIX -> KIX
54	AC	FRA -> NRT
55	AC	PVG -> FRA
57*	AF	CDG -> CDG
58	MU	PVG -> PVG
62	TS	 -> LGW
64	KE	ICN -> ICN
65	CZ	CAN -> CAN
66	CA	PEK -> PEK
67	AC	ZRH -> CDG
70	JL	NRT -> NRT
71	JD	HGH -> HGH
73	AC	DUB -> DUB
75	AC	TPE
76	TS	MAN
77			... empty
78	UA	IAH -> IAH
79	UA	SFO -> SFO
80	DL	MSP -> MSP
81	DL	SLC -> SLC
82	UA	LAC -> LAX
83	AC	 -> SFO
84			... empty
85*	WS	SFO
86	AA	DFW -> ORD
87	AC	SFO -> PHX
88	AC	LAX -> ANC
90	AA	LAX -> LAX
91			... empty
92			... empty
93			... empty
94	AC	PDX -> PDX
95	AC	SEA -> SEA
96	AS	PDX -> PDX

One unassigned SEA flight for DL, will probably take gate 91.

Cage · #**14355** Posted **Jun 12, 2019, 9:45 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by connect2source

My guess is that things have likely changed since the MAX groundings

Before I would have guessed the majority of the Transat fleet would have gone to Rouge with the 330s replacing some of the 767s but now AC needs mainline narrowbody lift and those brand new A321neos would be ideal for some of the MAX long and thin, suspended routes, such as YHZ-LHR.

Good analysis. I wouild add that a TS AC merger would likely have the 310s out of the fleet immediately and well before any adjustments to the 767s are contemplated. 321neos will likely go rouge, but I would also like to see a mainline 321neo operation.

Hourglass · #**14356** Posted **Jun 14, 2019, 10:03 AM**

Interesting post from airliners.net.

Someone is claiming Canada has offered Turkish Airlines 2 slots per week for YVR-IST. Don't know if TK will accept it.

TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal were apparently declined.

trofirhen · #**14357** Posted **Jun 14, 2019, 1:44 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Interesting post from airliners.net.

Someone is claiming Canada has offered Turkish Airlines 2 slots per week for YVR-IST. Don't know if TK will accept it.

TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal were apparently declined.

Half a loaf is better than none. As I understand, even YUL only has 2 flights a week, YYZ 5. If TK had the common sense to do it, they'd take the 2 YVR slots offered, and renegotiate later.

thenoflyzone · #**14358** Posted **Jun 14, 2019, 7:24 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Half a loaf is better than none. As I understand, even YUL only has 2 flights a week, YYZ 5. If TK had the common sense to do it, they'd take the 2 YVR slots offered, and renegotiate later.

YYZ is 6x weekly. YUL is 3x weekly at the moment.

LeftCoaster · #**14359** Posted **Jun 14, 2019, 10:26 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Interesting post from airliners.net.

Someone is claiming Canada has offered Turkish Airlines 2 slots per week for YVR-IST. Don't know if TK will accept it.

TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal were apparently declined.

I'll believe it when I see the wheel touch down on the runway, other than that it's just more of the same.

LeftCoaster · #**14360** Posted **Jun 14, 2019, 10:28 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname

Peak service:

Loss
4x NGO (AC)
1x TPE (AC)
1x MNL (PR)

Gain
3x DEL (AC)
1x MEL (AC)

I think that's it...? All others changes are from using smaller planes.

As for remote stands... I'm not sure if they're even needed this year, due to loss of some flights and many airlines are now moving flights away from the peak time to before 10am or after 2pm (AC, PR, CZ for example). On the other hand, there are quite a number of gains for the midnight departure that there may not be enough gates for all the planes to park overnight...

This is my chart with red showing routes with capacity cuts and green showing capacity gains from summer 2018:

Driving the losses are Beijing, Shanghai and Nagoya on Air Canada, Sydney on Qantas and Manila on Philippines.

The larger gains are Delhi on AC, Taipei on China Airlines and Hong Kong on Hong Kong Airlines.