YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by giallo

Canada and the US are in the news quite a bit these days in China, and it's not positive, so I imagine a lot of potential tourists are opting not to travel to either country. Remember, China matched Canada's consular warning about traveling to China.

Haha, what a joke. Yes, the Canadian government is just arresting random Chinese people in retaliation... or maybe they just think that is what governments do simply because they do that?

Give Poo Bear a big hug for me! (As soon as a character such as Winnie the Pooh is banned due to a leader’s insecurities, you know that your government is in trouble)

[giallo]

I've moved out of the country permanently, so I won't be able to embrace the bear.
I've never fallen out of love with a city so quickly as I have with SH - and it's not even its fault really. It's all Beijing.

[Metro-One]

Yeah, it really is a shame. For the record I had great admiration for China no less than 10 years ago and was really hopeful for its future. Also have great respect for the culture past and present, but the current political direction over the last few years is poison and the credit system makes 1984 look tame.

Also had a cousin and a friend who were living in China / planned to make their lives in China completely reverse plans the last couple years. One is back in Canada and is thinking of coming here to Japan or Korea and the other moved to Taiwan.

Have to say it also says a lot where gay marriage has been legalized in Taiwan while the mainland Chinese government censors gay relationships from films...

The same way we can criticize the politics and other aspects of the US without hating the nation or being racist we can (and should) do the same with China.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Don't forget how they want international waters and neighbouring islands all for themselves... or how activists and celebrities keep disappearing... or the ethnic cleansing in Tibet and Xinjiang...

Whatever you think of the culture and people (or just bits and pieces of it), we can all agree that the CCP as we know it needs to go. Deng is probably rolling in his grave.

[giallo]

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[casper]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

China Eastern reversing their plans to put the A350 on PVG-YVR. Going back to an all A332 operation.

Cuts to Asia are massive this summer, I'm showing a 6.6% drop in seats at peak times. My charts are pretty basic but either way the capacity drop is huge. Given the continued booming economy and population growth in Vancouver I find this very puzzling.

In addition to all the factors associated with China itself.....

The other factor is also Air Canada with increased service to India and Australia. The airlines in China were desperate to fill seats so they were also chasing after connecting traffic to India and Australia. There are now better non-stop options.

[Gordon]

How many Asian flights have we lost or are we just seeing seeing smaller planes being used? There seems to be the same number of red eye Asian departures.

Yvr has started to build a proper Remote Stand facility for gate E85 on level 2 they are adding elevators & escalators. The facility will be ready in march 2020(curtesy yvr.ca blog)

[nname]

Originally Posted by Gordon

How many Asian flights have we lost or are we just seeing seeing smaller planes being used? There seems to be the same number of red eye Asian departures.

Yvr has started to build a proper Remote Stand facility for gate E85 on level 2 they are adding elevators & escalators. The facility will be ready in march 2020(curtesy yvr.ca blog)

Peak service:

Loss
4x NGO (AC)
1x TPE (AC)
1x MNL (PR)

Gain
3x DEL (AC)
1x MEL (AC)

I think that's it...? All others changes are from using smaller planes.

As for remote stands... I'm not sure if they're even needed this year, due to loss of some flights and many airlines are now moving flights away from the peak time to before 10am or after 2pm (AC, PR, CZ for example). On the other hand, there are quite a number of gains for the midnight departure that there may not be enough gates for all the planes to park overnight...

[Gordon]

I just looked at Ac's website they still have a nonstop to TPE departing @11:AM

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by giallo

Canada and the US are in the news quite a bit these days in China, and it's not positive, so I imagine a lot of potential tourists are opting not to travel to either country. Remember, China matched Canada's consular warning about traveling to China.

And Australia too... they have pulled 5 routes already and about to pull 2 more out of SYD. Probably too much capacity added in certain markets and now realising that. I’m wondering how much longer HK airlines will be flying at all. They’ve already exited Australia too.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Gordon

I just looked at Ac's website they still have a nonstop to TPE departing @11:AM

TPE reduced from daily to 6x weekly
KIX reduced from 6x weekly to 5x weekly
NGO reduced from 4x weekly to nothing
3x weekly CAN-YVR-MEX moved to midnight departure or earlier at 9am
4x weekly MNL-YVR-JFK removed, replaced by midnight departure MNL-YVR
Second daily AC departure to LHR also moved further into the evening

The additional flight to DEL and MEL are all midnight departures. Only the extra 2x weekly flights taking up the noon slot.

I believe all the trans-border and Mexican additions this year are all outside of noon hours too?

[SpongeG]

where is NGO?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

where is NGO?

As he states... NGO is gonzo!

[zahav]

Were NYC in and outbound pax on the PR flights to MNL counted as YVR pax at all? Ie. not people booking the YVR-JFK leg, but the ones booke JFK-MNL and just happened the plane stopped here. I believe they didn't have to clear customs or anything here, so would they have added to the traffic totals? Same when we the YYZ flight here. So 7 entirely dedicated 777s might not be that much of a loss in traffic.

What other airlines downgauged aircraft? I don't count MU since they operated the A330s last year, so the downgauge from an A350 was only from a proposed increase, not from last years actuals. And JAL's 767 is 199 seats, compared to 186 or 206 on the 787-8 so it's not really a downgauge. All other routes seem to be operating the same aircraft as last year, aren't they? Definitely not 100% sure on any other airlines, but I can't think of any others with downgauges?

[SpongeG]

a rare sight at YVR, Ethiopian Airlines

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[retro_orange]

Sympathy for purchasing plane tickets from someone knowing full well they are fraudulently utilizing an employee discount through an unregulated chat app? Genius.

She found a seller with the user name "CaptainCooll" who claimed to have access to "Air Canada employee discount" tickets.

She knew exactly what she was doing. Being an adult means you understand the implications of your actions.

Air Canada imposes 'no fly' ban, demands $18K from woman after ticket scam




© Eric Rankin, CBC Ann Qian, 25, is fighting Air Canada's decision to ban her from its flights until she pays up.

A woman who says she unknowingly bought fraudulently obtained airline tickets online claims she's being treated like a criminal by Air Canada.

Canada's biggest air carrier is demanding Ann Qian repay over $18,600 for return flights between Toronto, Vancouver and Shanghai — and has banned her from flying its routes until she pays up.

Qian, 25, says like thousands of Canadians, she was simply buying online. And she calls Air Canada's demands "bullying."

"They say I'm a liar, but they just don't want to know the details. They just [want] me to pay the money."

Qian's lawyer and an air passenger rights advocate say Air Canada doesn't have the right to put her on its "no fly" list or demand she pay for tickets she purchased in good faith.

But the airline says buying tickets online from an unverified seller is akin to buying a TV in a bar.

Air Canada has rejected mediation, and the dispute will be decided in arbitration before the Canadian Transportation Agency.

Qian came from Shanghai two years ago to train as a pastry chef at a college in Scarborough, Ont.

She turned to WeChat — a Chinese messaging and social media app — to find cheap flights to visit her sister in Vancouver and her parents in China.
She found a seller with the user name "CaptainCooll" who claimed to have access to "Air Canada employee discount" tickets.

Screen captures provided to CBC News show an ad promising a "hot sale" of up to 50 per cent off.

She became a repeat customer after flying three times with Air Canada over almost a year and a half without an issue.

Qian says she paid "CaptainCooll" $5,800 for the flights, which included "deals" on business class seats.

'Shocked, stressed' by ban

But in November, when Qian went to Toronto's Pearson airport to catch her fourth flight, she was denied boarding and told she was on Air Canada's "no fly" list.

"I'm so shocked why I'm on that list … so worried," she recalls. "It makes me very stressed."

She was out-of-pocket for that Vancouver return trip — and for a pre-booked fifth flight to Shanghai — another $3,600.

When Qian confronted "CaptainCooll" online and demanded her money back, he blocked her and then disappeared.

Qian says she contacted Toronto police in April in a bid to find the fraudster.

Air Canada demands $18,683.66

Despite Qian's personal losses, Air Canada insists she owes $18,683.66 for the fraudulent flights she took — and that it failed to detect.

In a Nov. 29 letter, the airline demanded full payment in 45 days.

That was almost double the total of $9,400 Qian had paid the fraudster.

She was unable to pay Air Canada and says she has no idea how much the airline now wants, given the deadline has passed.

'Hazard to property' cited

The November letter also cited Qian for "prohibited conduct" under the airline's tariff rule that covers "any unusual hazard or risk … to property."

"If someone was threatening to beat up the pilot or if someone was smoking in the lavatory, those are grounds for refusing to transport a passenger," says Lukacs. "But an airline cannot refuse to transport someone … just because they have a [financial] dispute with a person."

A friend helped Qian hire Richmond, B.C., lawyer Kailin Che.

"It's unjustified. It's unreasonable," says Che. "There's not grounds for their actions … Air Canada shouldn't be going after the innocent consumer."

Che also wonders why Air Canada didn't flag the problem sooner, calling the delay "baffling."

Buying a TV in a bar

But the airline refuses to back down.

In an April 8 email, Air Canada's legal representative rejected Qian's request to lift the travel ban, chastising her for purchasing from a seller who claimed he was an accredited travel agent "without a modicum of verification. With due respect, this is akin to buying a television set in a bar."

Contacted by CBC News, an Air Canada spokesperson refused to comment on the case, but suggested customers protect themselves by buying tickets directly from the airline's website, call centre or through an official travel agent.

Qian says Air Canada's demand for repayment makes her feel victimized twice.

"I think and feel as if life is no hope. You just stay home. I don't know how to figure it out. And start crying a lot," she says.

"I do not trust anyone now."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c...k-from-woman-after-ticket-scam-1.5158335

[whatnext]

WeChat should be banned in Canada, its a CPC tool.

[moosejaw]

Without requoting the above post regarding Capt Cooll the Air Canada ticket reseller
I don't think Air Canada can request that she pay the $18,000 back.

If they truly believed that they were within their rights to ask that of her then they would have sued her.

Now i believe they are within their rights to deny her boarding. They can turn away anyone they feel like. I dont think its their problem if she bought tickets through a unautorized vendor scamming the company

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by whatnext

WeChat should be banned in Canada, its a CPC tool.

You're a CPC tool.

Luckily we don't live in Communist China where consumer products are routinely banned for political reasons (i.e. Google)

[Max.]

Originally Posted by whatnext

WeChat should be banned in Canada, its a CPC tool.

haha, blame everything on CPC and brainwashed Chinese. You life will be getting better