YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[connect2source]

Photos of the Pier D extension after landing on AC 841 from Frankfurt yesterday. Glass being installed on the eastern portion.

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[zahav]

This might boost numbers for YVR-DEL, but not sure what is driving this extended suspension (I heard either aircraft deployment issues or airspace restricitons):

Air Canada suspends Toronto – Delhi in June/July 2019
By Jim Liu
Posted23 May 2019 08:00
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Air Canada in recent schedule update filed service changes for Toronto – Delhi route, as the airline temporary suspends this service from 15JUN19 to 31JUL19 (YYZ departure). This route is currently operated by Boeing 787-9 aircraft on daily basis.

AC042 YYZ2210 – 2135+1DEL 789 D
AC043 DEL0040 – 0735YYZ 789 D

The Star Alliance carrier will continue to operate Vancouver – Delhi route during this period.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...suspends-toronto-delhi-in-junejuly-2019/

[SpongeG]

Used gate 62 saturday landing on JAL from Tokyo

2019-05-26_01-45-29 by snub_you, on Flickr

2019-05-26_01-45-23 by snub_you, on Flickr

2019-05-26_01-45-15 by snub_you, on Flickr

They really need to rehaul the International arrivals pickup area outside, its an awful mess, no space to get past people with carts, vehicles having to circle around as there are no spaces to do a quick pickup. The rain makes it even more miserable. They should put a single closed off lane for Domestic pickups so they don't bother the international pickups.

[Rogie]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

Used gate 62 saturday landing on JAL from Tokyo

They really need to rehaul the International arrivals pickup area outside, its an awful mess, no space to get past people with carts, vehicles having to circle around as there are no spaces to do a quick pickup. The rain makes it even more miserable. They should put a single closed off lane for Domestic pickups so they don't bother the international pickups.

I would say the whole pickup process (international and domestic) needs and overhaul. I few years back, I had to pick up my mom in a wheelchair, and it was a nightmare.

But at the last Annual Public Meeting, Craig Richmond was asked about it, and he had little to offer other than making sure there was appropriate staff to keep the cars moving.

[nname]

Originally Posted by zahav

This might boost numbers for YVR-DEL, but not sure what is driving this extended suspension (I heard either aircraft deployment issues or airspace restricitons):

Air Canada suspends Toronto – Delhi in June/July 2019
By Jim Liu
Posted23 May 2019 08:00
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Air Canada in recent schedule update filed service changes for Toronto – Delhi route, as the airline temporary suspends this service from 15JUN19 to 31JUL19 (YYZ departure). This route is currently operated by Boeing 787-9 aircraft on daily basis.

AC042 YYZ2210 – 2135+1DEL 789 D
AC043 DEL0040 – 0735YYZ 789 D

The Star Alliance carrier will continue to operate Vancouver – Delhi route during this period.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...suspends-toronto-delhi-in-junejuly-2019/

As I mentioned in another thread, this suspension had just been extended till the end of August. The application to wet lease Omni plane for YVR-Hawaii also extends till early September.

Seems like AC will start to remove MAX from August schedule pretty soon...

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by Rogie

I would say the whole pickup process (international and domestic) needs and overhaul. I few years back, I had to pick up my mom in a wheelchair, and it was a nightmare.

But at the last Annual Public Meeting, Craig Richmond was asked about it, and he had little to offer other than making sure there was appropriate staff to keep the cars moving.

Yeah, also the arrivals hall is nice to look at but not functional. They need more than one escalator and a set of stairs. When I landed another flight had landed from China, plus the US arrivals, so you have a few hundred people getting bunched up trying to use a single escalator with some guy going keep moving, the other escalator was off. They could use at least 4 in the down direction, they don't need any in the up direction there. It was like being herded like cattle onto a small escalator that is just backing up causing people on the other escalator having nowhere to go getting bunched up having to manipulate themselves off or just trying to walk backwards on an escalator., its kind of a joke really.

[dharper]

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They really need to rehaul the International arrivals pickup area outside, its an awful mess, no space to get past people with carts, vehicles having to circle around as there are no spaces to do a quick pickup. The rain makes it even more miserable. They should put a single closed off lane for Domestic pickups so they don't bother the international pickups.[/QUOTE]

They need to give tickets or something. The area is for IMMEDIATE pickup, but the area is always full of cars parked,"Only for a couple of minutes". I have given up on the area, and now always pickup at the same spot I was dropped off at departures level. Works much better as there is 2 drop off lanes there.

[SpongeG]

Yea, the one side that could be used for pickups as well but that is where the valet cars are parked which is really stupid use of space. I don't know how they win so many awards with so many obvious flaws and issues.

Narita is so functional and well thought out. They have 4 levels, the domestic has its own level for departures, than an international level than the 4th level is shopping and restaurants and 2 outdoor viewing areas, and there must be about 6 sets of escalators to get up and down to that shopping area after you have checked in.

The arrivals area moved fast, and then outdoors there was adequate room for people with huge wide sidewalks and waiting areas, smoking rooms, bus areas, taxi areas, and private car areas all separated and no chaos. And then underground level for trains which was crowded but the lineups do not disrupt the flow of people coming and going. And multiple escalators to get from one level to another.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

that expansion seems to be coming along really fast. wow.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by dharper

They need to give tickets or something. The area is for IMMEDIATE pickup, but the area is always full of cars parked,"Only for a couple of minutes". I have given up on the area, and now always pickup at the same spot I was dropped off at departures level. Works much better as there is 2 drop off lanes there.

Yeah, my mom has a bit of trouble walking since she fractured her hip. She hates going through that area as there are always people blocking the way with their luggage and carts. It just isn't built to handle that amount of traffic. And it's exacerbated by the fact that the crosswalk is ahead of the pick-up area.

Ideally, they could separate the taxi, family pick-up and valet out into different areas. But given the limited space, I'm not sure that's possible.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by dharper

I have given up on the area, and now always pickup at the same spot I was dropped off at departures level. Works much better as there is 2 drop off lanes there.

I always pick up my guests from the departure level. Much quicker and congestion free vs. the gong show on arrivals level.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I always pick up my guests from the departure level. Much quicker and congestion free vs. the gong show on arrivals level.

Yup, or just park and take one's time. I never ever use the arrivals area.

[Black Box]

I'm not sure if this is a joke? Pretty uninformed, just like most Americans.

Originally Posted by red-paladin

Anti-Vancouver sentiment in the rest of Canada.

[SpongeG]

When I was at Narita, the airport was plastered with Posters for its Seattle Service. They are really promoting that route there.

I also saw the ANA Turtle while taxing sitting on the tarmac.


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Speaking of taxing, from the time we left the terminal gate to actually taking off was a good 45 minutes, almost an hour from boarding time. It just kept going and going, was well into a movie by the time we took off.

[zahav]

I think Seattle is really trying to make those routes work, and that marketing push you saw is part of it. But I think they have lost more routes than us, even if they got a lot of new ones, some cancelled after not long. I know Delta axed a few, and I think a couple others too. This was just posted the other day:

Xiamen Airlines closes Seattle reservations from late-September 2019
By Jim Liu
Posted27 May 2019 07:30
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Xiamen Airlines in recent schedule filed service changes for Xiamen – Shenzhen – Seattle service, as the schedule listed until 25SEP19. Reservation for travel on/after 27OCT19 is also closed. The Skyteam member currently operates this route 3 times a week.

MF845 XMN0920 – 1045SZX1245 – 1015SEA 788 135
MF846 SEA1245 – 1800+1SZX2025+1 – 2135+1XMN 788 135

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...e-reservations-from-late-september-2019/

This route was a stretch anyways for an airport like Seatac, but still, the pullout has to do with performance and not aircraft limitations. I don't think YVR has lost any of its Asian carriers since SQ in 2009 (and hopefully won't)

**Edit, also Oasis Hong Kong was also one, but the company went under, so dropping routes was what they did

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by Black Box

I'm not sure if this is a joke? Pretty uninformed, just like most Americans.

Pretty stereotypical Canadian comment. You only hear about uniformed Americans through the media but it doesn't mean they make up most of the country. How many uniformed Canadians are out there? Im pretty sure they exist/. Do they define Canada. Probably not. But I am put off by your statement.

[nname]

Originally Posted by zahav

Xiamen Airlines closes Seattle reservations from late-September 2019

SZX provides subsidy for up to 3 years, and the route was started in Sept 2016...

[LeftCoaster]

China Eastern reversing their plans to put the A350 on PVG-YVR. Going back to an all A332 operation.

Cuts to Asia are massive this summer, I'm showing a 6.6% drop in seats at peak times. My charts are pretty basic but either way the capacity drop is huge. Given the continued booming economy and population growth in Vancouver I find this very puzzling.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

China Eastern reversing their plans to put the A350 on PVG-YVR. Going back to an all A332 operation.

Cuts to Asia are massive this summer, I'm showing a 6.6% drop in seats at peak times. My charts are pretty basic but either way the capacity drop is huge. Given the continued booming economy and population growth in Vancouver I find this very puzzling.

I think there's been a lot of people who have been scared off by both the Chinese government crackdowns on money leaving the country, the trade war (indirectly affecting Canada as well as tourism.... Huawei), and the local real estate slowdown.

Also, it was on 100% overdrive for a while, so it's natural that they probably overextended themselves. The A350 was likely seen as a differentiator for higher paying fares, but with fewer pax in J, Y pax are mostly driven by lower prices.

[giallo]

Canada and the US are in the news quite a bit these days in China, and it's not positive, so I imagine a lot of potential tourists are opting not to travel to either country. Remember, China matched Canada's consular warning about traveling to China.