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You can clearly see the “trench cut” made by the firefighters on the roof of the the noodle shop too.



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I wondered what the rooftops of the neighbourhood looked like after the fire was done.

Now I know.
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The birth and death of the ByWard Market
It is no secret that, over the last two decades, through indifference and mismanagement, the City of Ottawa has driven some of the region's most dedicated farmers away from this historic venue.

Barry Padolsky
Updated: May 13, 2019




In 2027, The citizens of Ottawa will celebrate the 200th anniversary of the founding of Ottawa’s historic ByWard Market, one of Canada’s oldest and continuously operating civic markets.

This milestone, just eight years away, will undoubtedly be commemorated by tributes, festivities and revelry (for which the market is justly famous).

Established by Col. John By, the British engineer responsible for building the Rideau Canal and the settlement called Bytown, the market is one of Ottawa’s iconic urban landmarks. Along with the canal and Parliament Buildings, the market defines Ottawa’s dual identity as a national capital and a living city. The ByWard Market is one of the capital’s premier tourist destinations.

In anticipating the upcoming Bytown Bicentennial jubilee, it is comforting to know that, notwithstanding the occasional devastating fire, the market’s architectural heritage is well protected through the Ontario Heritage Act.

Sadly however, the ByWard Market’s most colourful (and tangible) cultural asset – its farmers’ market – is not well protected. Even more sadly, Col. By’s farmers’ market is actually on the brink of extinction. Regrettably, this is not an exaggeration.

The gradual disappearance of the “agri-food” market vendors, which started two decades ago, has now become exponential. This is clearly evident to regular market food shoppers. The evidence is not subjective. It can be measured by a survey of the 106 or so outdoor stalls traditionally reserved for by the City of Ottawa markets administration for “agri-food” vendors (mainly food, plants and flowers).

For those unfamiliar with the market’s geography, these reserved “agri-food” stalls line the west side of ByWard Street facing Lapointe’s Fish Market, Saslove’s Meat Market, the ByWard Fruit Market, and two cheese shops. Reserved “agri-food” stalls also occupy three sides of the ByWard Market Building and a portion of York Street opposite the Château Lafayette (opened 1849) and the Irving Rivers “We corner the Market” store.

As recently as 1999, all of the “agri-food” stalls (of the 250-plus outdoor stalls) were fully occupied in the summer months by food, plant and flower vendors – as they were for generations.

Here is the bad news: By 2012, only 50 per cent of these “agri-food” stalls were regularly occupied by vendors selling food, plants or flowers in the mid-summer season.

And by 2018, only 30 per cent of these “agri-food” stalls were occupied by vendors selling food, plants or flowers on a typical summer day. The unoccupied stalls were replaced either by parking, street furniture or craft vendors.

The good news is that this coming extinction is entirely reversible.

In 2018, the City of Ottawa reported that its agricultural economy generated $400 million a year, with $137 million in farm gate sales. The city further reported that within the city limits, there are 1,045 farms representing 252,423 acres of land farmed by more than 1,200 agricultural operations, employing approximately 10,000 people.

Ottawa’s farmers have shown a great interest in selling directly to consumers (farm to table), as testified by the growth of suburban weekend farmers’ markets at Lansdowne Park, Westboro, Orléans and Riverside South.

So why is the ByWard Farmers’ Market on its way to extinction? Is it the competition from the suburban farmers’ markets? Is it the competition from the online organic home delivery services? Is it the competition from Loblaws, Metro and Farm Boy, the food retailing behemoths? Undoubtedly yes.

However, without resorting to excessive tactfulness, it is time to plainly identify the principal author of the decline of the ByWard Farmers’ Market: the City of Ottawa itself.

It is no secret that, over the last two decades, through indifference and mismanagement, the City of Ottawa has driven away some of the region’s most dedicated farmers from the market.

Worse, Ottawa’s new ByWard Market Authority and Ottawa’s Planning, Infrastructure and Economic Development Department have failed to slow the extinction process by attracting the region’s agricultural entrepreneurs to the market’s business opportunity.

And what is this opportunity? Simply that, at a very minimum, there is a significant consumer population (55,000 residents) within two kilometres of the market who, as an alternative to supermarket aisle shopping, would welcome the experience of purchasing local fresh seasonal agricultural products in an urban precinct that is colourful and entertaining. This population alone is 50 times greater than the population of Bytown when it was founded.

Add to this consideration, the untapped market demand by the 98,000 employees who work in Ottawa’s nearby downtown core, and the even larger population who will have convenient access to the market from the LRT Confederation Line Rideau Station when it opens (any month now?).

Rebuilding Col. By’s farmers’ market should not be perceived as a nostalgic charitable gesture. It would be a wise and bold economic investment strategy for the City of Ottawa. On the contrary, a robust farmers’ market would enrich the character of the ByWard Market Heritage Conservation District, would reinforce Ottawa’s attractiveness as a tourism destination, and would strengthen the local agricultural industry.

Will the bicentennial celebration of Col. By’s market in 2027 be a cause for revelry or a wistful tribute to the extinction of the farmers’ market? Decisive leadership by Mayor Jim Watson, city councillors and city manager Steve Kanellakos would be warmly honoured and remembered.

Barry Padolsky, B. Arch.M.Sc (Urban Design), OAA, FRAIC , RCA, CAHP is the founder and president of Barry Padolsky Associates Inc., Architects.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/padolsky-the-birth-and-death-of-the-byward-market
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Its a pain in the a** to get down to the market, park, go shop, pay $20 for the parking, then sit in traffic on the way out.

Couple this with quite high prices which are on-par with competitive grocery stores, and there ya go.

I remember going to a farmer's market and paying rock-bottom prices for all the produce, like a couple bucks for a bushel of something. Prices have gone way up, especially at tourist markets like Byward.

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The birth and death of the ByWard Market
It is no secret that, over the last two decades, through indifference and mismanagement, the City of Ottawa has driven some of the region's most dedicated farmers away from this historic venue.

Barry Padolsky
Updated: May 13, 2019




In 2027, The citizens of Ottawa will celebrate the 200th anniversary of the founding of Ottawa’s historic ByWard Market, one of Canada’s oldest and continuously operating civic markets.

This milestone, just eight years away, will undoubtedly be commemorated by tributes, festivities and revelry (for which the market is justly famous).

Established by Col. John By, the British engineer responsible for building the Rideau Canal and the settlement called Bytown, the market is one of Ottawa’s iconic urban landmarks. Along with the canal and Parliament Buildings, the market defines Ottawa’s dual identity as a national capital and a living city. The ByWard Market is one of the capital’s premier tourist destinations.

In anticipating the upcoming Bytown Bicentennial jubilee, it is comforting to know that, notwithstanding the occasional devastating fire, the market’s architectural heritage is well protected through the Ontario Heritage Act.

Sadly however, the ByWard Market’s most colourful (and tangible) cultural asset – its farmers’ market – is not well protected. Even more sadly, Col. By’s farmers’ market is actually on the brink of extinction. Regrettably, this is not an exaggeration.

The gradual disappearance of the “agri-food” market vendors, which started two decades ago, has now become exponential. This is clearly evident to regular market food shoppers. The evidence is not subjective. It can be measured by a survey of the 106 or so outdoor stalls traditionally reserved for by the City of Ottawa markets administration for “agri-food” vendors (mainly food, plants and flowers).

For those unfamiliar with the market’s geography, these reserved “agri-food” stalls line the west side of ByWard Street facing Lapointe’s Fish Market, Saslove’s Meat Market, the ByWard Fruit Market, and two cheese shops. Reserved “agri-food” stalls also occupy three sides of the ByWard Market Building and a portion of York Street opposite the Château Lafayette (opened 1849) and the Irving Rivers “We corner the Market” store.

As recently as 1999, all of the “agri-food” stalls (of the 250-plus outdoor stalls) were fully occupied in the summer months by food, plant and flower vendors – as they were for generations.

Here is the bad news: By 2012, only 50 per cent of these “agri-food” stalls were regularly occupied by vendors selling food, plants or flowers in the mid-summer season.

And by 2018, only 30 per cent of these “agri-food” stalls were occupied by vendors selling food, plants or flowers on a typical summer day. The unoccupied stalls were replaced either by parking, street furniture or craft vendors.

The good news is that this coming extinction is entirely reversible.

In 2018, the City of Ottawa reported that its agricultural economy generated $400 million a year, with $137 million in farm gate sales. The city further reported that within the city limits, there are 1,045 farms representing 252,423 acres of land farmed by more than 1,200 agricultural operations, employing approximately 10,000 people.

Ottawa’s farmers have shown a great interest in selling directly to consumers (farm to table), as testified by the growth of suburban weekend farmers’ markets at Lansdowne Park, Westboro, Orléans and Riverside South.

So why is the ByWard Farmers’ Market on its way to extinction? Is it the competition from the suburban farmers’ markets? Is it the competition from the online organic home delivery services? Is it the competition from Loblaws, Metro and Farm Boy, the food retailing behemoths? Undoubtedly yes.

However, without resorting to excessive tactfulness, it is time to plainly identify the principal author of the decline of the ByWard Farmers’ Market: the City of Ottawa itself.

It is no secret that, over the last two decades, through indifference and mismanagement, the City of Ottawa has driven away some of the region’s most dedicated farmers from the market.

Worse, Ottawa’s new ByWard Market Authority and Ottawa’s Planning, Infrastructure and Economic Development Department have failed to slow the extinction process by attracting the region’s agricultural entrepreneurs to the market’s business opportunity.

And what is this opportunity? Simply that, at a very minimum, there is a significant consumer population (55,000 residents) within two kilometres of the market who, as an alternative to supermarket aisle shopping, would welcome the experience of purchasing local fresh seasonal agricultural products in an urban precinct that is colourful and entertaining. This population alone is 50 times greater than the population of Bytown when it was founded.

Add to this consideration, the untapped market demand by the 98,000 employees who work in Ottawa’s nearby downtown core, and the even larger population who will have convenient access to the market from the LRT Confederation Line Rideau Station when it opens (any month now?).

Rebuilding Col. By’s farmers’ market should not be perceived as a nostalgic charitable gesture. It would be a wise and bold economic investment strategy for the City of Ottawa. On the contrary, a robust farmers’ market would enrich the character of the ByWard Market Heritage Conservation District, would reinforce Ottawa’s attractiveness as a tourism destination, and would strengthen the local agricultural industry.

Will the bicentennial celebration of Col. By’s market in 2027 be a cause for revelry or a wistful tribute to the extinction of the farmers’ market? Decisive leadership by Mayor Jim Watson, city councillors and city manager Steve Kanellakos would be warmly honoured and remembered.

Barry Padolsky, B. Arch.M.Sc (Urban Design), OAA, FRAIC , RCA, CAHP is the founder and president of Barry Padolsky Associates Inc., Architects.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/padolsky-the-birth-and-death-of-the-byward-market
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Its a pain in the a** to get down to the market, park, go shop, pay $20 for the parking, then sit in traffic on the way out.
Which is why it's almost always better to walk/bike/bus/eventually LRT to the Market instead.
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Its a pain in the a** to get down to the market, park, go shop, pay $20 for the parking, then sit in traffic on the way out.

Couple this with quite high prices which are on-par with competitive grocery stores, and there ya go.

I remember going to a farmer's market and paying rock-bottom prices for all the produce, like a couple bucks for a bushel of something. Prices have gone way up, especially at tourist markets like Byward.
Why would you pay $20 when it's between $2.50 (141 Clarence) and $3.00 (70 Clarence) per hour?
ByWard market parking accessibility is probably at all-time high right now, yet it's not helping.
Barry Podolsky is right, they should rethink the market as an urban market, as a place to be, not just buy your veggies and get out. And that would require removing all cars from William Street and Market Square and part of York. Right now it doesn't feel very inviting on those cramped sidewalks between parked and idling cars.
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Old Posted May 24, 2019, 5:06 PM
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We're already improving Ottawa's ByWard Market. Here's how
Smartly, the city sought the best advice about revitalizing the ByWard Market, and more importantly, it acted on that advice.

Peter Hume
Updated: May 24, 2019


When Ottawa Markets gave its annual report to city council in June 2018, it was uncharacteristically blunt.

“Competition from the 19 urban and suburban farmers markets continues to erode our market share. Regulations are stifling and the lack of public infrastructure like modern accessible public washrooms and public spaces doesn’t help to attract both vendors and people to our flagship public market.”

The reason Ottawa Markets could say those things is that Ottawa council did something courageous. It recognized its shortcomings and limitations and gave up on its efforts to bureaucratically control market activities.

Smartly, the city sought the best advice and more importantly it acted on that advice. It created Ottawa Markets and gave the organization a broad mandate to invest in the buildings, create great infrastructure and propose new policies to improve the public market experience.

The Ottawa Markets strategic plan, presented in 2018, is all about improving the public market experience. That experience doesn’t rely on one single element. It seeks to improve the whole market.

The other factor you can’t discount or make light of is the fact that the ByWard Market is a complex place. It is an intersection of the public and private sectors. A place where public vendors, retail businesses and public spaces all must work together to achieve success.

So, are we making progress or are we, as some believe, on an inevitable march to the end? Ottawa Markets’ actions will answer that question.

In support of the city’s public realm study, we will take our first steps in testing out an improved market environment. William Street will, for the summer, be a place for people. To walk, to sit, to enjoy the heart of the city. It will be free of cars and parking. It will be a summer home for people. This is a bold move for a staid Ottawa. More importantly, it is a step towards making the ByWard Market a more inviting people place.

If you venture into Ottawa Markets’ signature ByWard Market building, you will have to excuse our dust. For the first time in over 20 years, hundreds of thousands of dollars are being invested to start the long process to modernize our core market building. Accessible washrooms, renewed building support systems and much need maintenance work will start us on a path that, over time, will make the market building an incredible public asset.

The next important step in Ottawa Markets’ market evolution is how to strengthen our connection to our local farming community and make our market attractive to our farming community. Ottawa Markets has been actually talking directly to farmers to understand them and how they market and sell their produce. We actively sought out farmers to serve on the board of directors, and next month our first farmer will join the board.

Ottawa Markets needs that farm perspective because history has shown us that change in market vending is very hard. The last time significant changes were proposed, vendors applied to the courts and had the changes cancelled.

This tells us that any proposed changes have to be undertaken in a very deliberative and consultative manner, based on best practices and supported by a solid policy basis. We are very lucky to be able to review the best experiences in public markets, from big ones such as Granville Island to the little ones we have in our own back yards and church-parking lots.

So what is our market future? It is a market focused on and supportive of the farmer and farming community. It is a future that has better buildings, better public spaces and an experience that all of Ottawa will be proud of.

Peter Hume is the Chair of the Board of Directors of Ottawa Markets.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/column...mproving-ottawas-byward-market-heres-how
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Concepts for a more pedestrianized, but not completely pedestrian, Byward Market including replacing the parking garage with... something else.





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Concepts for a more pedestrianized, but not completely pedestrian, Byward Market including replacing the parking garage with... something else.





https://twitter.com/TPPurbanism/status/1133729775858671617
Yes. I like that they suggest more trees/ vegetation in the market and pedestrianizing York. More plants, places to sit, shade, and pedestrian space where we don't have to watch out for cars are all necessary in my book.
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That last image appears to show a market without market stalls. I'm not impressed.
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That last image appears to show a market without market stalls? Or is that just a poor rendering? Also, what's the point of removing the parking garage and replacing it with a large building. Why not just close off the top level of the current parking structure, add in some winding ramps from ground level, throw in some grass, planters and benches and call it green?
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That last image appears to show a market without market stalls. I'm not impressed.
Based on the leafless trees on York and George, the fire pits and ice sculptures on William (those are not super obvious), the last image is supposed to be winter, I believe. As far as I know, stalls aren't set up in winter.

For the parking garage, there have been discussions over the last 10+ years of it's possible demolition and replacement. That conversation usually includes an underground parking garage under York or George. I don't know if that's part of the current concept. The sketches simply supply a rough massing of what could replace the structure.
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Based on the leafless trees on York and George, the fire pits and ice sculptures on William (those are not super obvious), the last image is supposed to be winter, I believe. As far as I know, stalls aren't set up in winter.
The last image is definitely winter. There is even snow on the tree branches.

The 2nd image seems to show market stalls along ByWard; it's too bad the don't have another image with the same perspective of the 4th but in summer.
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I'd like to see most of the market stalls moved to a pedestrianized York Street where there could be more room, or better yet demolish the parkade and do an underground garage with a market plaza on top for stalls. I prefer an area that you can mill about over the current tight linear configuration. The seating area in front of the market has become very successful—it's so crowded on nice days that I think it would be great to turn both William and Byward Market streets into more lounging spaces where people can sit and eat. I'd love to see more tables, and maybe a few food carts.
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I hate the parking garage as much as anyone but does the City of Ottawa have any authority to have it removed, given that it's a private building (I assume)?
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Any Byward Market renewal project ought to include the removal of the Great Wall of Bay.
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Any Byward Market renewal project ought to include the removal of the Great Wall of Bay.
The HBC should totally gut that building, restoring all the facades but with a completely new structure inside. It's too bad that when the Sears store sat empty they could have moved in there temporarily while doing this.
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I hate the parking garage as much as anyone but does the City of Ottawa have any authority to have it removed, given that it's a private building (I assume)?
That one is owned by the City. It also includes some retail.

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Yes please!
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The HBC should totally gut that building, restoring all the facades but with a completely new structure inside. It's too bad that when the Sears store sat empty they could have moved in there temporarily while doing this.
I don’t think the Sears store ever sat empty.
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