YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[SpongeG]

YVR's post security is better than Edmontons for fast food. Edmonton does have better options for sit down dining but who has time for that?

Vancouver International Airport 4th best in Canada, 68th worldwide: survey
BY RIA RENOUF

Posted May 9, 2019

RICHMOND (NEWS 1130) – If numbers out on Thursday from travel website Airhelp are any indicator, Vancouver International Airport could stand to improve its service, flight timeliness and food and shopping selections.

YVR is fourth in Canada, but internationally ranked 68th out of 132nd worldwide.

It was outperformed by Edmonton International Airport, which came in 39th, as well as Calgary International and Kelowna International, which ranked 59th and 63rd, respectively.

The gold medal went to Hamad International Airport in Qatar, silver went to Tokyo International, while Athens International rounded out the top three.



https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/05/09/vancouver-international-airport-airhelp-survey/

[trofirhen]

Excuse a rather tired topic, but still relevant, I think.
What happened to TK to IST? Dead in the water? Or are there any vital signs it may one day happen?

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Excuse a rather tired topic, but still relevant, I think.
What happened to TK to IST? Dead in the water? Or are there any vital signs it may one day happen?

What I heard on airliners.net is that Canada offered them 3 slots pw but TK insisted on daily and the negotiations collapsed. I think it’ll be a while before we see TK flying IST YVR.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

What I heard on airliners.net is that Canada offered them 3 slots pw but TK insisted on daily and the negotiations collapsed. I think it’ll be a while before we see TK flying IST YVR.

TK should have taken the 3 slots pw, and run with it anyway. At least that way they'd have had their foot in the door at YVR, and have been in a position to negotiate later. grrrr

[thenoflyzone]

I've discussed this before.

TK had a lack of frames for this summer, the old airport was congested, plus the move to the new IST airport didnt help the launch of YVR.

Things should start cooling down vis a vis the new airport, and new frames will slowly start rolling in this year (B789 and A359s).

IST-YVR 3x weekly in 2020 or 2021 is a strong possiblity, if the negociations with Canada go well.

That being said, I can also see TK use those three frequencies to up YYZ to daily and YUL to 5x weekly. However, I believe TK desperately wants to launch YVR, so the former scenario is more likely.

[Vagabond]

Originally Posted by nname

Fort Lauderdale is 34km away, close enough?

... and... you can add in San Jose del Cabo I guess...

I actually knew someone who got SJD (Los Cabos) mixed up with SJO (San Jose, CR). She flew into the former thinking it was the latter. A mutual friend was supposed to pick her up at SJO and waited for hours before giving up and heading home (this was before the days when cellphones became ubiquitous). The funny part was the traveller thought she had arrived at the proper airport, and was furious that she had been "stood up". It wasn't until they connected the next day that she realized her mistake. And yes, I'm sad to say, she really didn't know that Mexico and Costa Rica were different countries!

[Hourglass]

Didn’t see this coming:

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/05/13/w...-onex_a_23725365/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage

[nname]

AM just updated their winter schedule. Seems like this year YVR-MEX will run 20-21x weekly for almost an entire month, from Dec 13 to Jan 7.

[Hourglass]

Not wanting to stir this particular pot again, but there’s an interesting Daily Hive article about YVR’s annual public meeting where Craig Richmond identified SEA as a competitive threat: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/seattle-vancouver-airport-passenger-trans-pacific-hub

It also spawned a lively thread on airliners.net; most people think both airports serve different markets: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1422557

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

the outlet mall expansion is coming along pretty fast. it is looking not too bad.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Not wanting to stir this particular pot again, but there’s an interesting Daily Hive article about YVR’s annual public meeting where Craig Richmond identified SEA as a competitive threat: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/seattle-vancouver-airport-passenger-trans-pacific-hub

It also spawned a lively thread on airliners.net; most people think both airports serve different markets: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1422557

Yup as discussed many times... Craig Richmond made the exact same statement at last year’s AGM and has brought this up in many interviews. I’ve even mentioned it. Nothing new.

Just saw that particular thread on airliners.net. The OP neglected to separate SEA’s “transborder” from its international figures which skews the comparison of long haul international. You cannot compare US airport “international” figures with Canadian airport “international” figures that’s why it’s best to just compare total international which is the true definition of international anyway.

Not many US airports break down international into sub categories making it difficult to compare to Canadian Airports.

SEA has a LONG LONG way to go to catch up to YVR’s international figures. Even after this year’s additions there.

[casper]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

YVR's post security is better than Edmontons for fast food. Edmonton does have better options for sit down dining but who has time for that?

Vancouver International Airport 4th best in Canada, 68th worldwide: survey
BY RIA RENOUF

Posted May 9, 2019

RICHMOND (NEWS 1130) – If numbers out on Thursday from travel website Airhelp are any indicator, Vancouver International Airport could stand to improve its service, flight timeliness and food and shopping selections.

YVR is fourth in Canada, but internationally ranked 68th out of 132nd worldwide.

It was outperformed by Edmonton International Airport, which came in 39th, as well as Calgary International and Kelowna International, which ranked 59th and 63rd, respectively.

The gold medal went to Hamad International Airport in Qatar, silver went to Tokyo International, while Athens International rounded out the top three.



https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/05/09/vancouver-international-airport-airhelp-survey/

Honestly that makes no sense.

Half of the gates at the Edmonton airport are in a modern terminal building with good amenities. You turn the corner and you are back into the 1970s.

The Calgary airport messed up their international terminal.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

YVR's post security is better than Edmontons for fast food. Edmonton does have better options for sit down dining but who has time for that?

Vancouver International Airport 4th best in Canada, 68th worldwide: survey
BY RIA RENOUF

Posted May 9, 2019

RICHMOND (NEWS 1130) – If numbers out on Thursday from travel website Airhelp are any indicator, Vancouver International Airport could stand to improve its service, flight timeliness and food and shopping selections.

YVR is fourth in Canada, but internationally ranked 68th out of 132nd worldwide...............................


https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/05/09/vancouver-international-airport-airhelp-survey/

This analysis is a rather 'non compos mentis.' How can YVR be only the fourth best airport in the Canada, when, for ten years solid, it has won SKYTRAX best a/p in North America?

[red-paladin]

Anti-Vancouver sentiment in the rest of Canada.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by red-paladin

Anti-Vancouver sentiment in the rest of Canada.

Yes. And it goes back decades. Major publications over the years, out of Toronto of course, like the Globe and Mail magazine, Saturday Night, and others, have all taken turns belittling, smashing, trashing, and spitting on Vancouver. Of course, jealousy plays a large role in that, so they can be forgiven for their moral weakness, I guess.

[Marshal]

Never noticed. But then again, way back when I was a Torontonian, I never experienced the big Canada wide Toronto hate either. Glad on both accounts.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by red-paladin

Anti-Vancouver sentiment in the rest of Canada.

Did you even go through airhelp.com ratings before making that comment?

Originally Posted by trofirhen

This analysis is a rather 'non compos mentis.' How can YVR be only the fourth best airport in the Canada, when, for ten years solid, it has won SKYTRAX best a/p in North America?

1. Skytrax is a joke. https://onemileatatime.com/turkish-airlines-skytrax-3-star/

2. Wasnt familiar with airhelp.com, but i actually went on their website for a bit of reading.

How is the AirHelp Score calculated?

On-Time Performance
We use the on-time performance statistics for every airport to calculate how likely it is that your flight will be on time.

Service Quality
We asked thousands of people from around the world to tell us about customer service, queues and cleanliness at their local airports.

Food and Shops
Via extensive surveys we asked thousands of people to rate airports' eating and shopping options.

Seems what drags down YVR's score is its on time performance statistics. YVR is busier than YYC/YEG, so its a bit normal that there are more delays at Vancouver. It outscores YYC and YEG in the other 2 criterias, which seems correct to me. YEG's scores are boosted by its on time performance, which tends to favor smaller airports.

YYC

overall score 7.60

on time performance 7.5
service quality 8.0
food and shops 7.4

YVR

overall score 7.46

on time performance 7.1
service quality 8.1
food and shops 7.8

YEG

overall score 7.83

on time performance 8.0
service quality 7.9
food and shops 7.4

Bottom line, people need to read before making uninformed comments.

[s211]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

This analysis is a rather 'non compos mentis.' How can YVR be only the fourth best airport in the Canada, when, for ten years solid, it has won SKYTRAX best a/p in North America?

Before you go all , maybe read the terms of reference and scope of the review?

[twoNeurons]

Let's be honest... the most important thing is that YTO (YTZ/YYZ) is dead last in those rankings at 8th and 10th respectively.

( I kid, I kid... just feeding anti-TO rhetoric )

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Let's be honest... the most important thing is that YTO (YTZ/YYZ) is dead last in those rankings at 8th and 10th respectively.

( I kid, I kid... just feeding anti-TO rhetoric )

Seriously, though, Metro, how would you rate YYZ? (if that's the correct designation) After all it is Canada's main world gateway, and the Air Canada fortress hub.
It is the (according to research I did) the third most connected airport in the world, the first being LHR, the rest I forget. It's the biggest airport in the biggest city.
So how would you rate it: for the strong points as well as the weaker ones?