New BC Political Discussion - POST BC Election 2017

[misher]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

He seems like the kind of fat bloated old entitled white guy that would wield his man power over womens' rights to their bodies.

Honestly this is a very poor way to frame the abortion issue. To me its always been about what constitutes human life and what constitutes murder. Pro life activists make some really good points and despite being for abortion it doesn't make me happy being so. In the end an abortion results in so much wasted potential, its not a happy occasion. While I wouldn't say its killing, we are wiping out someones existence and all the potential that goes with it. Its really not something to cheer about and I'm surprised doctors at abortion clinics don't have higher suicide rates.

I truly do hope someday that we will be able to just transfer it to a test tube to go into our adoption system so they can live a happy life with a family that wants them. Just because you don't want to subject women to pregnancy doesn't mean you don't feel for the fetus as well. Sometimes issues aren't so clear cut and both options are bad ones. Many people that are pro life aren't saying women don't have a right over their bodies, its just that they can't allow someone to be murdered. For many a pregnancy is a living human being, and we can pretend to be all scientific but we have to accept that most religions see it as a life.

In the end to many its the equivalent of strangling a baby. I think 99% of us would actively seek to stop this no matter what other people say. So I don't blame the pro life crowd, I totally understand why they feel the way they do and they feel it so strongly because its natural to feel that way about killing a child.

[JasonTaiwan]

Originally Posted by misher

Honestly this is a very poor way to frame the abortion issue. To me its always been about what constitutes human life and what constitutes murder. Pro life activists make some really good points and despite being for abortion it doesn't make me happy being so. In the end an abortion results in so much wasted potential, its not a happy occasion. While I wouldn't say its killing, we are wiping out someones existence and all the potential that goes with it. Its really not something to cheer about and I'm surprised doctors at abortion clinics don't have higher suicide rates.

I truly do hope someday that we will be able to just transfer it to a test tube to go into our adoption system so they can live a happy life with a family that wants them. Just because you don't want to subject women to pregnancy doesn't mean you don't feel for the fetus as well. Sometimes issues aren't so clear cut and both options are bad ones. Many people that are pro life aren't saying women don't have a right over their bodies, its just that they can't allow someone to be murdered. For many a pregnancy is a living human being, and we can pretend to be all scientific but we have to accept that most religions see it as a life.

In the end to many its the equivalent of strangling a baby. I think 99% of us would actively seek to stop this no matter what other people say. So I don't blame the pro life crowd, I totally understand why they feel the way they do and they feel it so strongly because its natural to feel that way about killing a child.

Yeah I guess you are right, I mean in China they aborted an estimated 13million fetuses in 2008, thats all of Canada in less than 3 years, China has killed more people that all of Canada in no time. Whats up with the Genocide the CCP does anyway?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_China

in 2008, there were an estimated 13 million abortions performed, and approximately 10 million abortion pills sold.[4] Induced abortions are more common in urban areas, where couples may only have one child.[5] In rural areas, it is permissible to have a second child if the first born is a girl and a "second-birth permit" is granted, costing approximately 4,000 yuan (US$600).[6] By the 70s, abortion was officially termed a "remedial measure" for realising China's goals of controlling the population.[7]

It's no wonder Taiwan is a rightfully legally recognized country and Tibet will follow suit as well to get off that abortion train of genocide they do there. Not to mention all the poor innocent muslim people China puts in detention camps for life. The suicide rate is also crazy high in China, it must be because of what the communists force on the women like it's the 19th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_China

Family conflicts are the number one cause of suicide in China, other common causes include poverty, and disease of the body and mind.[7]

The most recent government data provides statistics more inline with external estimations. According to a 2011 Centre for Disease Control and Prevention report, China's suicide rate is 22.23 people out of every 100,000.[10] This rate places the country among the countries with the highest suicide per capita in the world

misher is right! countries like China are really quite disgusting and need to adapt to the modern era and become more like the provinces that have and will soon become independent of China and the CCPs abominations.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by JasonTaiwan

Yeah I guess you are right, I mean in China they aborted an estimated 13million fetuses in 2008, thats all of Canada in less than 3 years, China has killed more people that all of Canada in no time. Whats up with the Genocide the CCP does anyway?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_China



It's no wonder Taiwan is a rightfully legally recognized country and Tibet will follow suit as well to get off that abortion train of genocide they do there. Not to mention all the poor innocent muslim people China puts in detention camps for life. The suicide rate is also crazy high in China, it must be because of what the communists force on the women like it's the 19th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_China


misher is right! countries like China are really quite disgusting and need to adapt to the modern era and become more like the provinces that have and will soon become independent of China and the CCPs abominations.

Welcome and Fantastic summary! I see you are familiar with SSPs resident CCP commentator. Should be interesting to get the other perspective.

[CanSpice]

Oh boy, the money laundering public inquiry is on its way! And check out item 1b in the terms of reference:

The terms of reference of the commission are to conduct hearings and make findings of fact respecting money laundering in British Columbia, including the following:

the acts or omissions of regulatory authorities or individuals with powers, duties or functions in respect of the sectors referred to in paragraph (a), or any other relevant sector, to determine whether those acts or omissionshave contributed to money laundering in British Columbia and whether those acts or omissions have amounted to corruption;

Do any BC Liberals have reason to be worried about this?

[misher]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Oh boy, the money laundering public inquiry is on its way! And check out item 1b in the terms of reference:


Do any BC Liberals have reason to be worried about this?

Seems pretty intense, I'm actually interested in seeing whats found. Will they be going back 30 years or just 10 years?

[misher]

https://vancouversun.com/news/politics/l...ndal?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

Clerk Craig James retired immediately as part of a “non-financial settlement” with the legislature after McLachlin’s report found he violated four of five areas of his employment.

However, sergeant-at-arms Gary Lenz, who also stood accused of wrongdoing, did not violate the terms of his employment. He remains suspended with pay.

“The special investigator found that Mr. James did engage in misconduct with respect to four of the five allegations, specifically in relation to making expense claims where improper purchases of a personal nature, by directing the creation of three benefits to his personal advantage outside established protocols, improperly removing legislative assembly property from the prescient… and by improperly using legislative property,” said NDP government house leader Mike Farnworth.

So retirement for one with no criminal charges or any punishment whatsoever and the other is innocent after his name has been dragged through the mud. Goodjob Trudeau!... I mean Plecas. Politicians sure do love making public accusations without enough evidence don’t they.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by misher

https://vancouversun.com/news/politics/l...ndal?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app



So retirement for one with no criminal charges or any punishment whatsoever and the other is innocent after his name has been dragged through the mud. Goodjob Trudeau!... I mean Plecas. Politicians sure do love making public accusations without enough evidence don’t they.

Did you see the full file on what they did? Are you saying you're ok with it?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Did you see the full file on what they did? Are you saying you're ok with it?

Corruption, it's the BC Liberal way!

[misher]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Did you see the full file on what they did? Are you saying you're ok with it?

I saw what they were accused of doing by Plecas. The investigation found one had committed 4 of the 5 accused breaches (possibly not to the extent he was accused of, it was a yes or no thing rather than a % thing or dollar amount) and the other was innocent.

Just because someone stands up infront of a mic and says something as a publicity stunt doesn't mean its true.

Can you imagine how many millions we're going to have to give the other guy thanks to Plecas's public defamation. And I bet Plecas won't be covering it.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by misher

I saw what they were accused of doing by Plecas. The investigation found one had committed 4 of the 5 accused breaches (possibly not to the extent he was accused of, it was a yes or no thing rather than a % thing or dollar amount) and the other was innocent.

Just because someone stands up infront of a mic and says something as a publicity stunt doesn't mean its true.

Can you imagine how many millions we're going to have to give the other guy thanks to Plecas's public defamation. And I bet Plecas won't be covering it.

Is that some kind of joke? These pigs were feeding at the trough and they were caught. No way they want to take this any further. They are fleeing like cowards.

As for your other point, ya he violated 4 conditions of employment. Grounds for firing 4 times over I'm sure.

Your defense of these people is unbelievable. Oh no wait, the BC Libs hate Plecas, so you do too.

[misher]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Is that some kind of joke? These pigs were feeding at the trough and they were caught. No way they want to take this any further. They are fleeing like cowards.

As for your other point, ya he violated 4 conditions of employment. Grounds for firing 4 times over I'm sure.

Your defense of these people is unbelievable. Oh no wait, the BC Libs hate Plecas, so you do too.

However, sergeant-at-arms Gary Lenz, who also stood accused of wrongdoing, did not violate the terms of his employment. He remains suspended with pay.

“The special investigator found that Mr. James did engage in misconduct with respect to four of the five allegations, specifically in relation to making expense claims where improper purchases of a personal nature, by directing the creation of three benefits to his personal advantage outside established protocols, improperly removing legislative assembly property from the prescient… and by improperly using legislative property,” said NDP government house leader Mike Farnworth.

It says Lenz did not violate the terms of his employment and still has his job and is being paid. Are you saying Lenz is a pig? My one simple point was that Lenz is innocent yet were dragging him through the mud. And all you can do is mention James or talk about this being Liberal conspiracy. Do you think Lenz deserves what happened to him? Do you think it was right? He's basically another Norman.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by misher

It says Lenz did not violate the terms of his employment and still has his job and is being paid. Are you saying Lenz is a pig?

I am. He's probably gotten off because James was the one who actually approved everything.

If this was anybody associated with the NDP you'd be calling for their heads.

Those guys should be sued for all of the money they wasted. But that's probably too much trouble. The fucking woodsplitter stored at his house? Are you shitting me? You think that was an appropriate use of taxpayer money?

[misher]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I am. He's probably gotten off because James was the one who actually approved everything.

If this was anybody associated with the NDP you'd be calling for their heads.

Those guys should be sued for all of the money they wasted. But that's probably too much trouble. The fucking woodsplitter stored at his house? Are you shitting me? You think that was an appropriate use of taxpayer money?

Nope. I defended whats her name with the NDP who had a staff member she fired recommend entry to people on a terrorism watch list. I admit I prefer the Libs but that doesn't mean I'm unreasonable.

The thing is, the woodsplitter and others were not facts. They were part of a report from Plecas that was made very publicly without a good investigation. Who knows what was truthful and what was spun.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by misher

Nope. I defended whats her name with the NDP who had a staff member she fired recommend entry to people on a terrorism watch list. I admit I prefer the Libs but that doesn't mean I'm unreasonable.

The thing is, the woodsplitter and others were not facts. They were part of a report from Plecas that was made very publicly without a good investigation. Who knows what was truthful and what was spun.

There are pictures of the wood splitter and trailer at their homes.

[misher]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

There are pictures of the wood splitter and trailer at their homes.

That was James not Lenz:

Among the allegations that most engaged the public was James claiming for a $13,000 wood splitter and trailer that was kept at his house. But in his report, James said the purchase was approved by the legislature’s audit working group, so that the splitter could be used in the case of an earthquake — to make firewood if there was no heat or electricity.

James said the splitter and trailer were stored at his house until a concrete pad and path was built on the legislative grounds, and said it took longer than anticipated to find a contractor to build the storage area. Lenz said he has never used or even seen the wood splitter and trailer.

https://vancouversun.com/news/politics/b...ficials-response-to-speakers-allegations

What conclusive evidence do you have on Lenz such that he deserves what happened to him. Denounced and shamed everywhere publicly after decades of loyal service. Why do you feel Lenz is a pig and deserves what Plecas did to him.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by misher

What conclusive evidence do you have on Lenz such that he deserves what happened to him. Denounced and shamed everywhere publicly after decades of loyal service. Why do you feel Lenz is a pig and deserves what Plecas did to him.

What exactly did Plecas "do to him" other than reveal what was happening? These bozos have been on paid leave for 6 months.

Read the Plecas report. Lenz was buying gifts for his wife overseas and expensing them.

Are you no longer defending James? He's obviously worse, but doesn't let Lenz off the hook at all. These are senior civil servants with no apparent ethical compass.

[misher]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

What exactly did Plecas "do to him" other than reveal what was happening? These bozos have been on paid leave for 6 months.

Read the Plecas report. Lenz was buying gifts for his wife overseas and expensing them.

Are you no longer defending James? He's obviously worse, but doesn't let Lenz off the hook at all. These are senior civil servants with no apparent ethical compass.

I haven't defended James recently.

Lenz said he paid out of pocket for all gifts to his wife, you basically have one person who is an elected official says at a public press conference versus what someone else says in a written statement after the fact. How can Lenz win here all odds are against him.

Travel expenses, gift shop purchases
Lenz also addressed allegations of improper spending while out of town.

"The trips I took were not boondoggles. They were for important business of the Legislative Assembly - part of an ongoing program to improve security and business continuity in the face of threats like the shootings at Parliament in Ottawa, the vehicular manslaughter outside the House of Commons in London, and natural disasters," he wrote.

He said any trips he took were consistent with ongoing programs, approved in advance, productive and resulted in measureable progress.

If his wife went with him, Lenz said, they paid all charges relating to her out of pocket.

Anything expensed from stores including gift shops, he said, was inexpensive and to be used for protocol visitors to the B.C. legislature or similar purposes.

"I made no purchases at the Scottish Parliament gift shop for personal use. I did look for a gift for my wife, but did not find anything," Lenz said.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/wood-splitter-for-...-responses-to-spending-scandal-1.4289550

[misher]

https://twitter.com/VaughnPalmer/status/1129134279479287808

McLachlin report P.52-52. She examined 7 Plecas allegations of misconduct against Lenz. Sided with Lenz on all 7. Examined 8 allegations of misconduct against James. Split 4-4. Plecas success rate: 4 of 15 allegations or 25%

[WarrenC12]

RCMP investigation is still ongoing. I'll wait for them.

In the meantime, these guys should be embarrassed. Their total lack of shame is indicative of a culture of riding on the taxpayer dime.

[misher]

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