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Old Posted May 9, 2019, 4:51 PM
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Yes, they are currently taking wait list reservations to purchase units in the future.
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Awesome news! Can't wait to see this!
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Can't wait to see this sea of parking stretch slowly fill back up with buildings
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Hopefully, it happens! The more condo development the better for everything else Downtown.
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Walked by the site today, and noticed they have paved parking spots in front of the sales center.
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Walked by the site today, and noticed they have paved parking spots in front of the sales center.
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As much as I want to see skyscrapers dotting our downtown I would be equally as happy to see tons of quality midrise developments like this peppered throughout our core and outer fringes of the downtown core!
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As much as I want to see skyscrapers dotting our downtown I would be equally as happy to see tons of quality midrise developments like this peppered throughout our core and outer fringes of the downtown core!
I personally think the city has too few plans for expanding the downtown, and doesn't see Barton, Ottawa, Upper James and Kenilworth as secondary downtowns with midrises enough. We need further and close options that vary in price and who they are for.
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I personally think the city has too few plans for expanding the downtown, and doesn't see Barton, Ottawa, Upper James and Kenilworth as secondary downtowns with midrises enough. We need further and close options that vary in price and who they are for.
The city doesn't want secondary downtowns - it wants one downtown with the rest petering off. Having more than one downtown causes silo communities. Ironically barton st used to be its own town - the town of barton - so with amalgamation they are designing AWAY from that, not TOWARDS that.
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The city doesn't want secondary downtowns - it wants one downtown with the rest petering off. Having more than one downtown causes silo communities. Ironically barton st used to be its own town - the town of barton - so with amalgamation they are designing AWAY from that, not TOWARDS that.
They are going to get that regardless. All modern urban planning is designed around that essentially, as well as people wanting to be within walking distance from things. Ottawa Street with LRT will one day become just like James and condos will fill those areas in with people that will make those areas also explode with food and bars. Hopefully one day we'll get it.
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As much as I want to see skyscrapers dotting our downtown I would be equally as happy to see tons of quality midrise developments like this peppered throughout our core and outer fringes of the downtown core!
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Ironically barton st used to be its own town - the town of barton - so with amalgamation they are designing AWAY from that, not TOWARDS that.
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Barton was a township. The current downtown was part of it, but basically it was a large administrative region that covered much of the current lower city, upper parts of old un-amalgamated Hamilton too.


That said, Barton was an important commercial street during the industrial heydays of the 1950s-70s... it could be again (over the long run) with good planning and demand for low-mid rise housing. But I actually think that much like James, it would be better for the planners to make a few key decisions and then step out of the way and let it happen. I'd love to see the likes of KIWI condos rise here and there on that street.

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I had relatives living in the Barton area many moons ago - Holton Ave. It was very much a secondary downtown. Had everything you could possibly need.
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I had relatives living in the Barton area many moons ago - Holton Ave. It was very much a secondary downtown. Had everything you could possibly need.
Sadly those days are long gone, and barton st is now a giant symbol of decay.

Turn that around though, along with cannon st, and you will have committed a revitalization feat of staggering proportions.

The problem becomes however, what do you do with the "undesirables" that currently live there, and where do they go? The issue is the people - the druggies, the crack addicts, the prostitutes, the drug dealers etc who keep those streets in those conditions - every city has a slum that these people eventually percolate into. Barton St, Cannon st, heck even parts of kenilworth st, are where a lot of them end up.

It's easy to say just have people come in and gentrify it - but in the meantime they still have to sit next to these people. This article was just written this year and it's called "how I survived barton st" - not so great - there is text detailing how it has been bad since the 70s:

https://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/9273371-how-i-survived-a-walk-down-hamilton-s-barton-street/

and then there are the shootings:

https://hamiltonpolice.on.ca/news/update---barton-st-shooting/

And then there are the people on barton st who WANT to keep it 🞵🞵🞵🞵 and vandalize people who try to make it better - this place was vandalized three times before it even OPENED. Within 3 weeks the anarchists had amassed 10,000 in damages to the store. All one has to do is google barton st to come up with a plethora of stories.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/meltwich-vandalism-1.4803663

There was a story of a woman along barton st that operated a chip wagon and she got tired of having to be accosted by the same druggies and hookers, and of being robbed by all the young people she hired to work at the place. She said she raised more money in donations to food banks than she actually got in sales.

So yeah, there is a lot going against barton st - it's a slum that wants to stay a slum.So the issues are a lot bigger than people are led to believe. Even a slow creep from the more prosperous places along barton st is going to be met with fierce resistance because to them it is symbolic of gentrifying the area to kick them out.

To bring this back on topic though I am glad kiwi condos is building this along the king william stretch - THIS street at least is embracing gentrification.

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It's a big challenge. Planners seem to talk about mixed-income as much as mixed-use as being keys to a balanced outcome in a neighbourhood's evolution, but the reality often differs from the talk.

In the world of redevelopment, a rising tide does not lift all boats.
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New render angle which I don't think has been posted here before:



Also, unit prices have increased from starting at $299,999 to starting at "mid-300's"
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Nice. It's a clean look, but I think it could be even better if the tower had some highlights of the podium colours. Not a lot, just enough to make it more complementary.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2019, 2:16 AM
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Nice. It's a clean look, but I think it could be even better if the tower had some highlights of the podium colours. Not a lot, just enough to make it more complementary.
It kinda feels like I am looking at a cruise ship perched on top of a building.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2019, 4:51 PM
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It kinda feels like I am looking at a cruise ship perched on top of a building.
Haha, your comment reminds me of this one:



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