Winnipeg Construction IX

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Trader Joe's expanded here haha. Edmonton is about to get its second Loblaws City Market in the Ice District. 22,000 sqft. Don't see why one of those couldn't do well here.

Trader Joe's and the Loblaws City Market are both well under the size of even a small suburban grocery store.

I have said it before, the near future of grocery retailing is trending towards stores that are under 10,000 sq ft in size. They will focus on the best selling bakery, fresh meats and fresh produce. They might still have a very limited selection of dairy, frozen items and dry goods, again only the best selling items. Everything else will be ordered 24 hours or more in advance and sent to the store for pickup from the warehouse. Most people don't care if they personally pick the box of KD, the package of Oreos and the bottle of Pepsi off the shelf. For those "middle of the store" packaged products one until is nearly identical to the other 50 on the shelf. The same is true for most dairy and frozen items. The main barrier currently is the highly variable fresh sections of the store which is why the hybrid model is the next step.

The other piece that will happen when the midshift finally clicks is the amount of time you spend in a grocery store is going to go down significantly. Even if you cut out the walking the aisles and selecting your items there is still going to be a massive time savings for the customers. Instead of the cashier needing to scan every dry goods item in your cart they will call up the total for your pre-order and then just scan the fresh items. You also won't need to bag all those dry good items as they are already ready to load into your vehicle.

In terms of size of store, pictures something like DeLuca's. It has a very small footprint but picture it having an even deeper selection of items than your current large format suburban grocery market.

What people ultimately care about is being able to get groceries close to their residence. They don't have a need to pick all those items from the shelves themselves. That's why downtown will never have a large footprint, full line grocery store. It has stopped making sense to build them about five years or more ago and we are now in the first phase of the transition.

Originally Posted by LilZebra

Do they sell (Dairy) Milk? How about Bread?

Young's has bakery (mostly factory made) and limited dairy. By "limited" it will have the range of fresh milk/cream you would expect but will have a lot shorter selection of things like cheese and yogurt. They also carry fresh produce, not just Asian but common western items, and fresh meats. Where Young's really differs is they will cuts of meat less common in western cooking and the dry goods will be extremely focused on Asian items.

If something happened and the only grocery store you ever could access again was Young's you could continue to eat nothing but western food but would need to adjust to the loss of things like canned soups, frozen meals, etc.

[esquire]

I was mulling over that report davequanbury linked to yesterday and while I do think it correctly identifies some of the larger inner city food deserts, I find some of the suburban deserts it identifies to be peculiar.

Both the stretch along Bishop Grandin and Pembina Hwy are fairly close (as in walking distance) to major supermarkets including Safeway, Sobeys, Walmart plus independents and ethnic grocers. The stretch along Pembina in particular tends to have some fairly nice homes and student housing... I wonder if low student incomes suggests a more dire socioeconomic situation than is necessarily the case? The part of The Maples identified as a food desert is also close to a range of grocers within The Maples itself, as well as the competitive grocery scene along McPhillips.

[bomberjet]

In the report, my house is listed as a severe food desert. When there is a grocery store across the street (Giant Tiger pseudo grocery). Where downtown has a supermarket listed. I'm assuming the Family Foods store, which is questionably a super market. There is also a Sobey's nearby, but likely outside of the walking distances.

Yet huge swath of suburbia are in the green... I find this confusing. I didn't read the whole report admittedly. But seems social status is part of the ranking. So is this saying that because poorer people live in those areas, they have less access to food? Again, I'm having a hard time understanding what it's saying.

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

In the report, my house is listed as a severe food desert. When there is a grocery store across the street (Giant Tiger pseudo grocery). Where downtown has a supermarket listed. I'm assuming the Family Foods store, which is questionably a super market. There is also a Sobey's nearby, but likely outside of the walking distances.

Yet huge swath of suburbia are in the green... I find this confusing. I didn't read the whole report admittedly. But seems social status is part of the ranking. So is this saying that because poorer people live in those areas, they have less access to food? Again, I'm having a hard time understanding what it's saying.

There's a map that shows distance to nearest grocery store. There's another map indicating "food deserts". The distinction being that those of the lower social deprivation are automatically green because they can easily drive to grocery. The red indicates high social deprivation and low physical access. Looking at the list the provided (pg 3), Giant Tiger wasn't considered.

[EndoftheBeginning]

Large complex proposed for the vacant lot (minus one more house to be demolished) on Good Street just west of Great West Life.

[esquire]

^ Looks like something that belongs out on Sterling Lyon, but at least it's a bit of filler I guess

I'm amazed that the developer assembled enough land to build something that long.

[dmacc]

I love it, that will be great for the area along with the new residence going up at St. Mary. It's great to see these developments happening in and around Downtown. It makes me excited to think of what Downtown will be in 10-20 years.

[bomberjet]

I think that one was denied. Or there were issues, specifically with the parking situation.. Maybe I'm thinking of another one.

Edit: Seems they've adjusted the plan slightly and is being approved. huzzah.

[buzzg]

^Ya I thought that was the one the city had an issue with the entrances being raised off the ground, that it didn’t treat the sidewalk and neighbourhood well.

[bomberjet]

Looks like they lowered the building. I didn't read trough the new report in detail. There was a report from the City in there recommending changes that would be approved.

[esquire]

^ This one seems to have raised entrances as well... is that going to be an issue?

For a building that is 100% residential with no main level CRUs, I don't think that being a couple feet off the ground is that big a deal. A bit of separation is OK.

[buzzg]

As posted in West Broadway thread, see page 12 for the issues:

http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/ViewPdf.asp?SectionId=525586

The two issues were that the main floor was over 6 feet above ground level, and that the parking spaces in the rear were 7 feet shorter than what's allowed. The developer said the water table was too high to lower the parkade, which was proven false by the engineers report. The city compromised and said they'd accept it being 3 ft above ground. The developer said they still didn't want to make any changes to their plan. Looks like they conceded, curious what the rear parking looks like now.

[bomberjet]

Ha. Ground water is 6m below the basement floor.

It said they had the building sit high to minimize basement depth for the parkade ramp. The City said no, which I think is good. For context, one of the new residential buildings on Peguis sits very high and it looks kind of silly. It's out at the street, and looks odd IMO.

I'm actually impressed with all the feedback from the City in the report.

[buzzg]

^Agreed. They actually gave the developer lots of options in how to make the project work, and didn't cave. Gave examples of how other recent projects, like 570 Stradbrook, solved the same issues.

[esquire]

Anyone noticing more bodies on the street downtown now that the MTS Centre skywalk is closed for construction? There are a lot of people who walk through there on a regular basis, so the impact on the sidewalks should be noticeable...

[trueviking]

Wow. That’s awesome to see more new development in West Broadway. It’s definitely the neighbourhood of the future. Sherbrook Flats, West Broadway Commons, the one across from it on Colony and now this. The other U of W under construction nearby. Hopefully it puts pressure on Great West Life to develop their property.

[Wpg_Guy]

I’d love to see a Sherbrooke Flats quality scale like building go up on the north side of Provencher on that vacant site.

[davequanbury]

Originally Posted by EndoftheBeginning

Large complex proposed for the vacant lot (minus one more house to be demolished) on Good Street just west of Great West Life.

This project was definitely 'adjourned' due to whatever the issues were.

Glad the IUS report sparked some conversation, beyond mapping the social deprivation and buffering around grocery stores that made the list, I haven't fully made sense of the methodology.
It appears that the areas of high social deprivation correspond exactly to either severe mirages or deserts, regardless of the groceries that may or may not be available in the area.

[buzzg]

The Red River Pharmacy building on Smith is getting new signage right now. Branding is completely different, so maybe they’ll get rid of the awful signage covering all the main floor windows too.

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Utility markings have been done on Graham and Garry/Fort, city on site on Garry prepping for the construction.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by davequanbury

This project was definitely 'adjourned' due to whatever the issues were.

It was adjourned, but City is now recommending approval in the latest reports.
http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/permalink.asp?id=A20190507(RM)CCC-37