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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 1:56 AM
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I just saw Waterloo Region is using their own EasyGO fare card instead of Presto. I wonder why they aren't using Presto. Wasn't Ottawa basically forced by the Ontario government to adopt Presto?
     
     
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 2:19 AM
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If they are cutting it to the wire re: Canada Day, then they should just wait and open the following weekend... You don't start with peak capacity!
I don't see that as being a problem given that they plan to continue running the all of the buses downtown on Albert and Slater for the first 3 weeks of operation of the Confederation Line. Having it available will give them even more capacity.

https://www.westsideaction.ca/buses-and-lrt-at-the-same-time-surely-not/
     
     
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 3:21 AM
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I just saw Waterloo Region is using their own EasyGO fare card instead of Presto. I wonder why they aren't using Presto. Wasn't Ottawa basically forced by the Ontario government to adopt Presto?
I believe it had something to do with getting tax money from something, can't remember fully. I don't know if Ford has kept that tax thing alive or not though, and i'm sure OC Transpo doesn't want the trouble of switching smart cards.
     
     
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 4:04 AM
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The wayfinding signs have popped up downtown

https://photos.app.goo.gl/wK6cHxmFBfQHsqsh8 corner of Laurier and Elgin
That one seems much clearer than the one on Holland/Wellington:



From the above, it's unknown how far of a walk the station is, or even what it is exactly as there's no rail symbol. The Laurier/Elgin one with the rail pictogramme, walk symbol and distance is more intuitive and useful. (That said, the walk symbol should be facing the same way as the actual direction to walk to.) Also, they installed the sign in the space where the Wellington West BIA normally puts its seasonal banners on the streetlights: note the two horizontal supports above and below. They should have just put it right under the "av Holland Ave" sign on the traffic light post (might have to slide it up a bit).

All that said, the red O is generally very well done and looks good on most things, like the latest bus stop signs and the LRT stations themselves. The only failing is that the newest buses and trains themselves still have the outdated "swoosh" that is no longer part of the brand.

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There may be the odd street sign pointing you to a subway station in Montreal and Toronto but AFAIK neither city has anything comprehensive - at least not above ground.
There are a few signs around Toronto, but as you said it's not comprehensive:



There was an experimental signage system at St George station a few years ago, this was the sign at Bloor St pointing you to the station entrance just north of the intersection. ("Rapid transit" was going to be the new term for "subway".)



Here's a sign on the Danforth at Chester pointing you to the station, again just north of the corner. This was the original...



... more recently replaced with a bigger one that more closely matches the current white-on-black signage.
     
     
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 10:38 AM
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... more recently replaced with a bigger one that more closely matches the current white-on-black signage.
That looks decidedly like MTA/NYCTA signage, or someone's approximation thereof. Left over from a movie shoot, maybe?
     
     
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For the whole blackmailed into using Presto thing, I believe it was tied to the gas tax or funding for Stage 1, or both. Why Kitchener-Waterloo weren't forced as well, I don't know, but I feel they would have benefited much more than us considering their proximity to Toronto (and yes, TO was years away from adopting Presto themselves) and the fact that they have GO service.

For our new O-Train street signs pointing to stations, I too prefer the one on the corner of Elgin and Laurier with the walker and train pictographs; the idea is to point people towards rapid transit. Who cares what station? The line colour could be more useful and/or an estimated distance or walk time.

And the one on Holland, I also find strange it's right in front of the flag poll.

The swoosh should have been dumped as soon as the branding was changed to the "O". If it's just a decal, it wouldn't be that hard to remove. If not, don't paint it on new vehicles.

As for the Toronto signs, the first one is probably the best. The second one is also pretty good. The third one doesn't stand out as much and could be mistaken for a sign pointing to a Subway restaurant.

I assume they're shifting to "Rapid Transit" because the new Eglinton Crosstown doesn't completely fit the definition of "Subway". Neither does the Scarborough RT, but that's a whole other story.
     
     
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I just saw Waterloo Region is using their own EasyGO fare card instead of Presto. I wonder why they aren't using Presto. Wasn't Ottawa basically forced by the Ontario government to adopt Presto?
There was some big battle about upasses. In Ottawa, Upasses actually aren't part of the presto system (as in Metrolinx doesn't run that part, even though they work with the readers). KW didn't want to maintain a second system, they wanted presto to do it all, which it couldn't when they signed the Ion contract.

Ottawa was always going to need to support other fare systems because of STO fare integration, but KW had no such need.
     
     
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Did they install these signs for drivers? Such a terrible placement.
There has to be some kind of recommendations by whoever designed them on where they should go.
     
     
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Did they install these signs for drivers? Such a terrible placement.
And so much for hanging a banner on that pole.
     
     
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 2:03 PM
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So good idea, bad execution?
     
     
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Did they install these signs for drivers? Such a terrible placement.
There has to be some kind of recommendations by whoever designed them on where they should go.
Very good point! Why are these signs hanging out over the streets, where they'll be seen by motorists, and not on the sidewalk side of the post where they'd be seen by pedestrians?

The signs seem to be targeting the wrong audience.
     
     
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Our latest video is now published and online.

https://www.otrainfans.ca/confederation/confederation-line-technical-facts

John Manconi, General Manager of Transportation Services in the City of Ottawa, goes over a multitude of technical facts, features, and capabilities of the Confederation Line in this informational video recorded with O-Train Fans.
     
     
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 4:49 PM
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Our latest video is now published and online.

https://www.otrainfans.ca/confederation/confederation-line-technical-facts

John Manconi, General Manager of Transportation Services in the City of Ottawa, goes over a multitude of technical facts, features, and capabilities of the Confederation Line in this informational video recorded with O-Train Fans.
Thanks Shane!! I'll be sure to watch it this evening.
     
     
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 4:52 PM
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Very good point! Why are these signs hanging out over the streets, where they'll be seen by motorists, and not on the sidewalk side of the post where they'd be seen by pedestrians?

The signs seem to be targeting the wrong audience.
Probably a question of teaching an old dog new tricks.

City signage staff are so used to installing signs so that they're visible to motorists, that no one thinks of pedestrians, even when they should!
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 11:33 PM
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Very good point! Why are these signs hanging out over the streets, where they'll be seen by motorists, and not on the sidewalk side of the post where they'd be seen by pedestrians?

The signs seem to be targeting the wrong audience.
Or is it? Does Tunnies Pasture have a kiss and ride area?
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 12:51 AM
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Stumbled over it? Shane shared it with us just 3 posts above yours
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 12:59 AM
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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 1:07 AM
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Just another train arrival and departure with some station announcements: https://photos.app.goo.gl/tpxXYiNkYmzuaVta9

Where can you see train names? Did they label all of them or not?

Edit: Oh I see, it's in the middle of the train. I've got Emily Carr, Agnes MacPhail, Tundra and Totem.

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Old Posted May 8, 2019, 4:12 AM
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The swoosh should have been dumped as soon as the branding was changed to the "O". If it's just a decal, it wouldn't be that hard to remove. If not, don't paint it on new vehicles.
It is a decal. Unfortunately they are continuing to add it - the new buses are all getting them:

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Even though the trains were being assembled after the red "O" was launched almost 2 years ago, they still put the swoosh on them too. It's really a shame, as the red "O" really is a good basis for the overall identity and should have been used on the trains instead:

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I think the trains need more red, and they should have used the bold red circles and dots that are on the stations and stops.

Also if the trains were painted asymmetrically it would make the combinations more interesting like this:

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I assume they're shifting to "Rapid Transit" because the new Eglinton Crosstown doesn't completely fit the definition of "Subway". Neither does the Scarborough RT, but that's a whole other story.
To be clear, the TTC isn't changing "Subway" to "Rapid Transit" - that was from an experimental design from the 1990s. But you have the reasoning right: essentially, "vehicles on separated rails" (whether in subway or not) are faster than "vehicles in road traffic". These were to be called simply, "Transit".

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City signage staff are so used to installing signs so that they're visible to motorists, that no one thinks of pedestrians, even when they should!
To be fair, it's still readily visible from the sidewalk (it's at the same height as the street sign). Needs to be somewhat high to be visible from farther away, and to deter theft. Doesn't explain why it was placed in the same space as the BIA banner - those are common enough across the city it should have been an obvious space to avoid.

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Navigation at Bayview: https://i.imgur.com/4gtmRDs.jpg
Not bad, but could be better:
- remove building outlines, unless it's of an actual landmark/destination
- should mark the Hintonburg commercial strip on Somerset/Wellington, which is the most likely actual destination in the neighbourhood
- should show parks
- a 10 minute walk radius is more useful and reflective of reality of use. I don't think 5 minute walk is the max people would need to know - people would still be looking for, for example, Rosemount library, Hintonburg Community Centre, etc.
- should show connecting bus routes from the station through the surrounding area - for those who can't/don't want to walk.

The ones in Paris, for example, are clearer:


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