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kmcamp · #**10481** Posted **May 6, 2019, 1:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Badyouken

I've seen a ton of these signs popping up around Bayview station, sometimes much farther than you'd think, e.g. on the Somerset bridge over the tracks (Train, 0.6 km).

Well, given the city was big on drawing those 600m circles around stations, it makes sense those signs can appear anywhere within

AuxTown · #**10482** Posted **May 6, 2019, 2:36 PM**

So are we still predicting a pre-Canada Day opening? It seems this derailment is not as dramatic as we all might have feared (halting testing etc.). Would love to see this sucker running for Canada Day and Bluesfest!

daud · #**10483** Posted **May 6, 2019, 2:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-Town Hockey

So are we still predicting a pre-Canada Day opening? It seems this derailment is not as dramatic as we all might have feared (halting testing etc.). Would love to see this sucker running for Canada Day and Bluesfest!

my gut says end of july or early august-but I hope you are right. Maybe we'll hear more this friday at the next update.

Badyouken · #**10484** Posted **May 6, 2019, 2:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by daud

my gut says end of july or early august-but I hope you are right. Maybe we'll hear more this friday at the next update.

If they are cutting it to the wire re: Canada Day, then they should just wait and open the following weekend... You don't start with peak capacity!

Badyouken · #**10485** Posted **May 6, 2019, 2:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-Town Hockey

So are we still predicting a pre-Canada Day opening? It seems this derailment is not as dramatic as we all might have feared (halting testing etc.). Would love to see this sucker running for Canada Day and Bluesfest!

My bet is end of July / early August as well.

CityTech · #**10486** Posted **May 6, 2019, 2:50 PM**

^^ Agreed. If launch can't be for June 22nd, just push it to after Canada Day.

J.OT13 · #**10487** Posted **May 6, 2019, 2:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by McC

At another point, the sign on the eastbound platform at Bayview was showing the next train for Pimisi (instead of Blair), and sure enough, after it got to LeBreton it came right back the other way (running west on what would normally be the eastbound track). I’m sure there are all kinds of reasons for these curious runs, but it certainly wasn’t simulating normal operations.

Simulating a Bluesfest run?

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At one point, two single trains left Tunney’s eastbound together, side by side, like they were racing.

Well that sounds like fun!

In terms of hand-over, I'd love to see May 24, exactly a year over schedule. I assume though that RTG will want to complete the 12 days (or the mandatory May 31 if they are unable to do so) before confirming a new date. What is the shortest time allowed between giving a new handover date and that date itself?

Gat-Train · #**10488** Posted **May 6, 2019, 3:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Simulating a Bluesfest run?

Well that sounds like fun!

In terms of hand-over, I'd love to see May 24, exactly a year over schedule. I assume though that RTG will want to complete the 12 days (or the mandatory May 31 if they are unable to do so) before confirming a new date. What is the shortest time allowed between giving a new handover date and that date itself?

I heard it was 30 days, but at this point, I'm hoping the city won't enforce that.

kmcamp · #**10489** Posted **May 6, 2019, 3:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gat-Train

I heard it was 30 days, but at this point, I'm hoping the city won't enforce that.

Yeah, at this point the city should take it as soon as it's ready, especially if they want to open before Canada day

J.OT13 · #**10490** Posted **May 6, 2019, 3:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gat-Train

I heard it was 30 days, but at this point, I'm hoping the city won't enforce that.

Thanks.

If they stick with the 30 days, they won't make it for Canada Day and might even try to skip over Bluesfest. The City might need at least a week of running regular service after launch to build enough confidence for big events like Canada Day and Bluesfest.

I'm also hopeful the City will waive the 30 days, possibly as part of negotiations around financial settlements (who pays for the year of bus detours, the Rideau Street sinkhole and other).

kmcamp · #**10491** Posted **May 6, 2019, 4:38 PM**

The wayfinding signs have popped up downtown

https://photos.app.goo.gl/wK6cHxmFBfQHsqsh8 corner of Laurier and Elgin

J.OT13 · #**10492** Posted **May 6, 2019, 5:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by kmcamp

The wayfinding signs have popped up downtown

https://photos.app.goo.gl/wK6cHxmFBfQHsqsh8 corner of Laurier and Elgin

That's pretty cool. Good initiative. Important when transit is underground; without tracks to follow, it can be hard to locate stations.

Is this sort of wayfinding common practice in other cities?

kmcamp · #**10493** Posted **May 6, 2019, 5:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

That's pretty cool. Good initiative. Important when transit is underground; without tracks to follow, it can be hard to locate stations.

Is this sort of wayfinding common practice in other cities?

I think Madrid does this.

Acajack · #**10494** Posted **May 6, 2019, 5:57 PM**

That type of signage is more common overseas than in this part of the world. At least that's been my observation.

There may be the odd street sign pointing you to a subway station in Montreal and Toronto but AFAIK neither city has anything comprehensive - at least not above ground.

Their underground cities tend to have a bit more wayfinding in the direction of stations, landmarks, hotels, etc.

JM1 · #**10495** Posted **May 6, 2019, 8:07 PM**

Indeed. It was a stupid decision to with low floor. And if they had to do low floor, the flexity trains with bogeys between cars are much better. My guess is dwell times at station have to be longer for citadis because of the narrow aisles. The flexity trains with doors on one side only have double seating down one side and the odd single seat on the door side which makes for very roomy aisles.

Ottawa really messed up this procurement both in choice of system and in terms of contract.

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Originally Posted by Multi-modal

Yes, its been discussed before, and I think almost everyone on this forum would agree with you. OC Transpo / the City prioritize seated customers too much, and the result is narrow aisles that restrict passenger flow and reduce the capacity of the trains during high-volume periods.

J.OT13 · #**10496** Posted **May 6, 2019, 8:39 PM**

Here's a Citadis in Belgium. Why can't we have anything nice?

And look at the wide gangway. Wish ours had that.

We're still ahead of Edmonton and Calgary, both of which are still running trains with individual cars.

https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1123191102595579904

kmcamp · #**10497** Posted **May 6, 2019, 8:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by JM1

Indeed. It was a stupid decision to with low floor. And if they had to do low floor, the flexity trains with bogeys between cars are much better. My guess is dwell times at station have to be longer for citadis because of the narrow aisles. The flexity trains with doors on one side only have double seating down one side and the odd single seat on the door side which makes for very roomy aisles.

Ottawa really messed up this procurement both in choice of system and in terms of contract.

While it would be nice to have wide aisles, it's really no different than what we're already used to on crammed artics.

corynv · #**10498** Posted **May 6, 2019, 9:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by JM1

Indeed. It was a stupid decision to with low floor. And if they had to do low floor, the flexity trains with bogeys between cars are much better. My guess is dwell times at station have to be longer for citadis because of the narrow aisles. The flexity trains with doors on one side only have double seating down one side and the odd single seat on the door side which makes for very roomy aisles.

Ottawa really messed up this procurement both in choice of system and in terms of contract.

If we did doors on only one side, we'd have to have a turn around loop at every terminus of the station. And there's nowhere to do that in the trench without blasting room away there. Plus it would take longer for a train to go back into service after ending a run, because it'd have to go through the loop to turn around. Where with doors are both sides, can just stay there and immediately leave once the driver walks to the other end of the train (or even have a driver swap so the driver doesn't have to do that then) and only wait the normal dwell time, and it's back on the line going the other way.

Not only that, but Ottawa dodged a bullet by not going with Bombardier, and while yes Alstom did have a few hiccups, I'm sure we'd have had much more if we went with them.

OCCheetos · #**10499** Posted **May 6, 2019, 9:55 PM**

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Not only that, but Ottawa dodged a bullet by not going with Bombardier, and while yes Alstom did have a few hiccups, I'm sure we'd have had much more if we went with them.

People (in the general public) who complain about the year long delay don't realize that we haven't surpassed the levels of mess that Kitchener and Toronto have had with their lines.

If the Confederation Line launches before, or within 2 months after ION, then we're A-OK in my opinion.

kmcamp · #**10500** Posted **May 6, 2019, 10:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by OCCheetos

People (in the general public) who complain about the year long delay don't realize that we haven't surpassed the levels of mess that Kitchener and Toronto have had with their lines.

If the Confederation Line launches before, or within 2 months after ION, then we're A-OK in my opinion.

Rail in Canada in the 21st century isn't exactly bristling with tales of success. About the most "successful" was the Canada line, and that's proven to be woefully underbuilt.