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Old Posted May 3, 2019, 2:02 PM
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[*]Operational running of the trains continues.[*]Crews continue to simulate service conditions, including running trains on a schedule.[*]Testing of coupled trains on the alignment is ongoing.[*]Commissioning of the communications systems at the Transit Operation Control Centre (TOCC) is ongoing.[*]OC Transpo is now practicing launching trains into service, similar to the operations that will occur in revenue service.[*]System integration tests (SIT) for the Traction Power Substations (TPSS) are underway.[*]Crews are calibrating and tuning the Guideway Intrusion Detection System (GIDs) scanners.[/LIST]
Sounds like the 12-day testing has begun!
     
     
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Old Posted May 3, 2019, 2:19 PM
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Mono means one and rail means rail. And that concludes our extensive three-week course!
Here's the online Tunnel Safety Orientation course. Maybe that guy who snuck in took it and figured he was good to go
     
     
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Sounds like the 12-day testing has begun!
     
     
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Old Posted May 3, 2019, 2:42 PM
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Still no Confederation Line updates on the site this week, but they did email the update, as they did last week.
These updates are so useless when they've been doing this for several weeks:

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Upcoming Construction Activities

In the coming weeks, the following activities are scheduled to occur:
  • Ongoing vehicle testing and operational running
  • Safety Auditor sign-off – review of submitted Engineering Safety Assurance documents
  • Installation of public art at Tremblay Station


Given how long it's taken, the art at Tremblay must be absolutely spectacular....
     
     
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Given how long it's taken, the art at Tremblay must be absolutely spectacular....
Meanwhile the paint on the Bayview art is already fading here and there...
     
     
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Old Posted May 3, 2019, 3:08 PM
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Sounds like the 12-day testing has begun!
Not sure, that's the take away if it's just "practicing".

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So, while we wait for any significant news, can you all share why you're so into this?
For me, first and foremost is the ending of a personal disruption. Right now, I walk to St. Laurent to catch the bus. It's ~13 mins. Not a huge deal. But sucks in the cold or adverse weather. This would end when it opens.

Another personal benefit is reduced noise and fumes at my condo from the switch from dozens of diesel buses at rush to electric LRVs, behind my condo.

Beyond that, I am excited for this because I believe it will be actually transformative for the city. Most importantly in how the residents of Ottawa themselves, see the city. I remember attending the public consultations on this a decade ago. I remember an engineer doing a presentation on how the BRT was running beyond design capacity and why LRT was needed. The very first hand up was someone asking why a "train" was needed when Ottawa was a "small" city. This person went on to argue that Ottawa wasn't Toronto or Montreal and didn't need to waste money on trains. That buses were sufficient. I look forward to the sea change in mentality towards urbanism in Ottawa that will come with having a "subway". Maybe folks will stop acting like Ottawa is just a giant small town finally. We'll start seeing more people actually prefer and pursue urban lifestyles. And there will more support transit-oriented development near the LRT stations.

Bit more esoteric, but I also think the eventual completion of Phase 2 and the operational cost savings that will bring, will put OC Transpo a more firm footing, and perhaps even enable growth in coverage or services. Consider for example, Calgary's CTrain. It carried 88 million of the total 102 million riders that Calgary Transit moved in 2017. They have 60 km of LRT and operate ~ 1200 transit vehicles for a covered population that's about 25% larger than what OC Transpo serves. By 2026, Ottawa will have about as much track as Calgary does today. Basically, Stage 2 will bring Ottawa's transit costs more in line with Calgary, making OC Transpo more financially sustainable and stable. And if today's approximately one thousand bus fleet were to be maintained, Ottawa would be able to offer substantially better local services while keeping user costs and taxpayer subsidies reasonable. Heck, Ottawa could offer better services than Calgary with a fleet that was 10% smaller than today's thanks to the ~65 km of LRT/HRT and dozens of kms of BRT covering most of the city. I hope to see services, even in the suburbs, closer to what TTC offers in Toronto's suburban areas.
     
     
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BREAKING: A two-car coupled LRT train derailed at @OC_Transpo's Belfast Yard this morning. #ottnews
https://twitter.com/jchianello/status/1124332687131643904
     
     
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That's pretty awful, considering the stage of construction we're at
     
     
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Uh Oh...


Workers were seen trying to get the train back on the track at Belfast Yard on Friday morning. (Kimberley Molina/CBC)

Joanne Chanello's wet dream...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/lrt-train-derailed-friday-1.5121546
     
     
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Chianello persisting with past misinformation, like the winter stuff. It's already been established that the supposed "winter problems" were self induced as part of QA.
     
     
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Old Posted May 3, 2019, 4:16 PM
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Chianello persisting with past misinformation, like the winter stuff. It's already been established that the supposed "winter problems" were self induced as part of QA.
Doesn't matter if her past stories were possibly blown out of proportion. A train derailed this morning. There's a picture. Just a fact at this point.

Let's wait to see why it happened. Was it the train's alignment? Was it the track that wasn't properly installed? Was it the computer system that had the train speeding? Who knows. Clearly something went wrong.
     
     
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Beyond that, I am excited for this because I believe it will be actually transformative for the city. Most importantly in how the residents of Ottawa themselves, see the city. I remember attending the public consultations on this a decade ago. I remember an engineer doing a presentation on how the BRT was running beyond design capacity and why LRT was needed. The very first hand up was someone asking why a "train" was needed when Ottawa was a "small" city. This person went on to argue that Ottawa wasn't Toronto or Montreal and didn't need to waste money on trains. That buses were sufficient. I look forward to the sea change in mentality towards urbanism in Ottawa that will come with having a "subway". Maybe folks will stop acting like Ottawa is just a giant small town finally. We'll start seeing more people actually prefer and pursue urban lifestyles. And there will more support transit-oriented development near the LRT stations.
This is interesting, and I have similar hopes. I'm especially curious to see the development around both Stage 1 and Stage 2 stations in the coming years.

Your comment on OC Transpo's financial stability intrigue me, I'll have to dig into that.
     
     
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Chianello persisting with past misinformation, like the winter stuff. It's already been established that the supposed "winter problems" were self induced as part of QA.

I guess she does not read this Forum!

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The very first hand up was someone asking why a "train" was needed when Ottawa was a "small" city. This person went on to argue that Ottawa wasn't Toronto or Montreal and didn't need to waste money on trains. That buses were sufficient. I look forward to the sea change in mentality towards urbanism in Ottawa that will come with having a "subway". Maybe folks will stop acting like Ottawa is just a giant small town finally. We'll start seeing more people actually prefer and pursue urban lifestyles. And there will more support transit-oriented development near the LRT stations.
I am an old senior who remembers when Ottawa was a "small" city. Many of my vintage and even younger still see it as such. As the city has grown and developed , their mindset has not. They see Ottawa as they saw it in their youth. It is frustrating at times seeing that they have not grown with the city. I am not sure that even a "subway" will convince them. Personally I am glad I have lived to see an LRT and bigger buildings and other developments.
     
     
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One tweet suggests it was a problem with a track switch, which would be consistent with the Reddit poster's comments and the Citizen's picture.

https://twitter.com/colbeta_/status/1124346624132702208
     
     
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Uh Oh...

Workers were seen trying to get the train back on the track at Belfast Yard on Friday morning. (Kimberley Molina/CBC)
Well there goes the Canada Day launch.....

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This is interesting, and I have similar hopes. I'm especially curious to see the development around both Stage 1 and Stage 2 stations in the coming years.
Just look at the 50-storey building planned near Bayview. There's pent-up demand in Ottawa for TOD, imho.

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Your comment on OC Transpo's financial stability intrigue me, I'll have to dig into that.
Just think of what it costs in diesel, driver wages and bus replacement costs to move 10 000 passengers per hour on buses, 50 pax at a time. Compare that to moving them on trams carrying 300-600 (latter if twinned), using electricity, on light rail vehicles with service lives that are twice as long as buses. Think of how much diesel prices vary compared to electricity prices and what that does for OC Transpo's budgeting at the moment. Think of how much worse this gets with the carbon tax going forward.

I think at one point it was estimated that LRT might save OC Transpo upto $100 million annually. Just the 600 employees they were going to layoff after Stage 1 adds up to ~$40 million in savings if I had to ballpark it.
     
     
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Is there any chance that this is not terrible news? Could it just be a little hiccup in an otherwise good testing week?? Ottawa has definitely done something to upset the gods.
     
     
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Old Posted May 3, 2019, 4:43 PM
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There is almost no chance that this is "terrible" news. The most likely scenario was an issue moving through the switch (something similar happened a few years back with a train entering Carleton Station on the Trillium Line). What the media tries to make this out to be, however, is another story.

https://twitter.com/KimberleyMolina/status/1124353634391732224
"Troy Charter says one set of wheels came off the tracks around 5 a.m. this morning while they were practicing “launch activities.” He says there were no injuries and no major damage to infrastructure. Train has now been put back on the tracks and a review is being conducted to find out what happened. He says the train was travelling slowly when it derailed. "
     
     
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