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Old Posted Apr 15, 2019, 1:57 PM
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I have a question about Tremblay (Train) station. Will there be access to Terminal avenue on the other side of the tracks via a tunnel at some point?

I see commentary about a tunnel being built to link to the office buildings on terminal from 2010 but was curious if access to the station from trainyards is imminent?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2019, 2:12 PM
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I have a question about Tremblay (Train) station. Will there be access to Terminal avenue on the other side of the tracks via a tunnel at some point?

I see commentary about a tunnel being built to link to the office buildings on terminal from 2010 but was curious if access to the station from trainyards is imminent?
There should also be a tunnel to the Via Station.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2019, 2:13 PM
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I see. Thanks.

Awesome, we have even more inconsistency in the network.

I don't suppose there would be any way to harmonize the system with uniform screens?
That's pretty standard stuff. The Skytrain had/has 2-3 different display boards over the last 10 years (Expo/Millennium Lines, Canada Line and Evergreen Extension with an upgraded version of what is found on Canada Line). They are now starting to replace the older screens.

https://buzzer.translink.ca/2018/11/next...-on-skytrains-expo-and-millennium-lines/

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Are they putting any of these electronic next bus signs up downtown? It seems to me that this would be very helpful and a measure that would help ridership in the long run. Not everybody can use the Confederation Line. We need to modernize transit more broadly. I have seen electronic next bus/tram signs outside in European cities.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2019, 2:16 PM
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That's pretty standard stuff. The Skytrain had/has 2-3 different display boards over the last 10 years (Expo/Millennium Lines, Canada Line and Evergreen Extension with an upgraded version of what is found on Canada Line). They are now starting to replace the older screens.

https://buzzer.translink.ca/2018/11/next...-on-skytrains-expo-and-millennium-lines/

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Remember the old textual screens at Transitway stations from the 1980s. It took the city forever to modernize.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2019, 2:36 PM
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Are they putting any of these electronic next bus signs up downtown? It seems to me that this would be very helpful and a measure that would help ridership in the long run. Not everybody can use the Confederation Line. We need to modernize transit more broadly. I have seen electronic next bus/tram signs outside in European cities.
Apparently they're going to put some along the Montreal Rd corridor after that is reconstructed; they got some kind of grant from the province for that.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2019, 3:04 PM
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Apparently they're going to put some along the Montreal Rd corridor after that is reconstructed; they got some kind of grant from the province for that.
That will be nice, but downtown is where they are needed most. I presume nothing for Elgin where the current reconstruction has started.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2019, 11:42 PM
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Walk around Tunney's and Bayview yesterday. Trains seem to be running roughly every 5 minutes (didn't time it, just an estimate). Only spotted two doubles in a span of more or less an hour, so likely the same one.
I spent some time watching the eastbound arrivals display at Pimisi while they were testing trains on Saturday morning. It looked they were operating a ~3 minute frequency but actual headways varied between 1.5 and 5 minutes.

Also noticed that the arrivals display was quite slow to update/refresh -- e.g. still displaying 1.5 minutes when train was practically arriving in the station; displaying "NOW" for too long after previous train departed, etc.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2019, 11:19 AM
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Good day,
Just want to share with you guys another spotting session I made last week at dusk between Lees & uOttawa. For some reason all train (expect 1), were all headed eastbound. I think uOttawa/Lees interstation in one of the section where trains reach almost top speed.
Enjoy
https://youtu.be/RY6lHNosMU8
     
     
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Watson was on CTV's Ottawa Morning Live this morning, and said he expects LRT running by Canada Day and that the 12 day testing is expected to occur in the next couple of weeks.

https://twitter.com/PringleJosh/status/1118112934557835264

https://twitter.com/PringleJosh/status/1118113174685982720
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2019, 1:31 PM
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Watson was on CTV's Ottawa Morning Live this morning, and said he expects LRT running by Canada Day and that the 12 day testing is expected to occur in the next couple of weeks.

https://twitter.com/PringleJosh/status/1118112934557835264

https://twitter.com/PringleJosh/status/1118113174685982720
Given his record on predictions, should he really be putting himself out there like this?
     
     
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Are they putting any of these electronic next bus signs up downtown? It seems to me that this would be very helpful and a measure that would help ridership in the long run. Not everybody can use the Confederation Line. We need to modernize transit more broadly. I have seen electronic next bus/tram signs outside in European cities.
My friend, you don't need to go as far as Europe to see them!

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4414196,...0En5YMRLqDOKHnPw5qZCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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I like to compare Ottawa's LRT Phase 1 construction with a very very similar LRT construction that is happening in Nice, France. Why? A LOT of similarities: underground stations, Citadis Trains, same length, replaces an old BRT corridor and a major construction challenge complicating the whole project.

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I don't want to call Ottawa an amateur city but it's really taking the shape of it. It really bugs me... and if Nice didn't have their 1 year delay, they would've finished their LRT in 4 years. It's quite frustrating, and a shame for the national capital of a country like Canada to be anable to construct a 12km LRT system in a reasonable amount of time and wihout any construction issues...
I wouldn't say incompetence in as much as I would say a lack of experience. Why do subways in Toronto cost substantially more than almost anywhere else and take much longer to build? This is what happens when you aren't continuously building rapid transit in the country. There's not as much of an experience and skills base. Nice already has one major line complete, in a country where every city of a few hundred thousand has multiple LRT lines. Ottawa is building a high capacity near-metro LRT line in a country where major transit expansion means only one of our six major cities completing a new line every 10-20 years and maybe a major extension every 5-10 years. Look at Toronto. The Eglinton Line will be the first new line since the Sheppard Subway. That's over two decades.

Aside from that is weather. I really wouldn't discount the difference between trying to build in Ottawa's climate and a city on the Mediterranean coast with the year round temperature between an average low of 5C in January and average daily high of 28C in August. Constructions workers are substantially more productive in temperate climates.
     
     
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That will be nice, but downtown is where they are needed most. I presume nothing for Elgin where the current reconstruction has started.
Is there room to install them downtown other than Transitway stops?

Also, anytime I've seen next bus signs in other cities, they've rarely been at local bus stops and more on express routes or transfer points. In Ottawa's context, I can't see them put all over downtown. Albert, Slater, Rideau and maybe a few stops on Bank would be it. Keep in mind that post LRT, there will be far less bus traffic downtown and most of it will be local.
     
     
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Is there room to install them downtown other than Transitway stops?

Also, anytime I've seen next bus signs in other cities, they've rarely been at local bus stops and more on express routes or transfer points. In Ottawa's context, I can't see them put all over downtown. Albert, Slater, Rideau and maybe a few stops on Bank would be it. Keep in mind that post LRT, there will be far less bus traffic downtown and most of it will be local.
Gatineau has them in Rapibus stations, and major transfer points like shopping centres and park-and-ride lots.
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I wouldn't say incompetence in as much as I would say a lack of experience. Why do subways in Toronto cost substantially more than almost anywhere else and take much longer to build? This is what happens when you aren't continuously building rapid transit in the country. There's not as much of an experience and skills base. Nice already has one major line complete, in a country where every city of a few hundred thousand has multiple LRT lines. Ottawa is building a high capacity near-metro LRT line in a country where major transit expansion means only one of our six major cities completing a new line every 10-20 years and maybe a major extension every 5-10 years. Look at Toronto. The Eglinton Line will be the first new line since the Sheppard Subway. That's over two decades.

Aside from that is weather. I really wouldn't discount the difference between trying to build in Ottawa's climate and a city on the Mediterranean coast with the year round temperature between an average low of 5C in January and average daily high of 28C in August. Constructions workers are substantially more productive in temperate climates.
And you can see this lack of experience with RTG and the struggles they have had. Luckily with the ramp-up in transit projects across Canada over the past 5 - 10 years, this will increase the skilled, experienced work force needed for these projects. The flip side is whether the further increase in transit projects will offset those gains.

One thing I have wondered lately, but haven't had a chance to investigate, is whether there are any colleges or universities in Canada that have programs geared towards getting people into this segment of the construction industry (along with the operation and management side of transit). Having a formal structure to develop the knowledge base and skilled people (be it through degrees, diplomas, apprenticeships, or other certifications) could be a boost to the cause.

Edit: My Dad actually started his career as an industrial electrician with what was then UTDC, after he finished his apprenticeship. For two years he worked on the ALRVs used by the TTC at the Millhaven plant, as was the case with several of his friends. And though he had been gone for a few years, he still got to go to the first public demo of the Mark 1 on the test track. I was there too, and can vaguely remember looking out the front of the cab as it gave a test ride, but I was pretty young so that is the only memory I have of that day.

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Given his record on predictions, should he really be putting himself out there like this?
He wouldn't be saying this at all if he didn't have confidence it was true. I think everyone here believes Canada Day is achievable, the debate is over its June or May.
     
     
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Gatineau has them in Rapibus stations, and major transfer points like shopping centres and park-and-ride lots.
That's my point. It's done on major rapid transit corridors, major destinations and select interchange points. They don't have them at all their sheltered bus stops.

Keep in mind we're fast moving to the world of mobile payments. If you have a smartphone, you can have next bus information at any stop. So you really only need the electronic boards at much busier locations.
     
     
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He wouldn't be saying this at all if he didn't have confidence it was true. I think everyone here believes Canada Day is achievable, the debate is over its June or May.
We're midway through April with no significant news that they are getting close to even doing that 12 day test. I would say May is definitely not looking likely. Canada Day is optimistic assuming all testing goes well.
     
     
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We're midway through April with no significant news that they are getting close to even doing that 12 day test. I would say May is definitely not looking likely. Canada Day is optimistic assuming all testing goes well.
Would they announce the 12-day test ahead of time? How do we know they haven't started? I understood there was a lot of train testing over the weekend whereas on most of the past few weekends there was no testing...
     
     
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