Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by Old&New

What are you asking? There’s more than 1.2 million in the smallest circle. Says there are 3.9 - 4 million inside the blue circle.

I think he means in the part of the blue circle that lies outside of the other circles. So the number of people who live between 100 and 250 miles from Salt Lake.

Originally Posted by airhero

Looks like it's just another multifamily building. 8 stories, 283 units. Old building will be demolished. They're actually looking at getting approval to build lower than the minimum height for the corner, though the tallest portion of the building will reach the minimum height of 100 feet.







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I like the variation in height and the general shape/design of it, but am very disappointed at the lack of height on such a prominent corner, and lack of ground-floor uses. I think Salt Lake City has to consider looking at requiring some level of retail usage (or other mixed-use design) for the ground floors of any building over a certain size throughout all of downtown (if not all residential and commercial areas of the city, period).

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Old&New

Didn’t know Utah had a state song, just listened to it and am now extremely embarrassed, especially considering the world class songwriters and musicians that originated from Utah and/or call Utah home. I think we can do much much much better. It was like the office levels of awkward and feeling flush in the face.

Our state song used to be "Utah, We Love Thee," but some school kids wrote the legislature saying they wanted a song that was "fun to sing." and it was changed in 2003. FAIL.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by wrendog

I'd say the biggest cities/metros in the blue circle would be Pocatello, IF, TF, Grand Junction.

Edit: grand junction is out of range

I cant see 1.2 million in that circle without Boise (which, as stated, is not in the circle)

For reference, here's a radius map 250 miles out of downtown SLC.

[zurich]

I live in Austin where all new buildings downtown have retail. Granted many of these are 30-40 story buildings, but it creates a cohesive downtown where you can keep walking to different bars and restaurants.

It appears in Salt Lake, there are going to be large gaps of several blocks where there will be no retail, thus several micro retail destinations that are spread out. That might work in Portland, Oregon, where there are trains going in almost every direction, but not sure about Salt Lake.

These small developments scattered throughout the downtown city core seems rushed and not well thought out. I would've figured there were several blocks downtown that have a minimum height requirement of 30+ stories by now. SLC needs big time developers and tech companies to invest downtown.

Does Tower 8 have ground level retail? Didn't appear so.

[ctobsl]

I know this has nothing to do with tower construction, but finally, they all 4 aviation lights working on the Key Bank Tower. It has been bugging me for many years that only one of them was working. (I know, I'm strange)

[airhero]

Originally Posted by zurich

I would've figured there were several blocks downtown that have a minimum height requirement of 30+ stories by now

Why would you figure this? There currently isn't a single building in Salt Lake over 30 stories. I don't think a zoning change to a minimum of 30 stories is going to produce demand for one.

I agree there have been missed opportunities for retail/restaurants/bars. State law prohibits bars within 600 feet (measured in pedestrian travel) of a "community location" including churches. It also prohibits restaurants serving alcohol within 300 feet of a church. (BTW if anyone knows, how does this work with Cucina Toscana across the street from the Greek Orthodox Church?) Not a great law in an area that is supposed to be higher density like downtown, but the city can't override it. Tower 8 is being built by the Mormon Church and will have church space inside of it. Would be nice if they could do something like 111 did with Village Baker.

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by airhero

Why would you figure this? There currently isn't a single building in Salt Lake over 30 stories. I don't think a zoning change to a minimum of 30 stories is going to produce demand for one.

I agree there have been missed opportunities for retail/restaurants/bars. State law prohibits bars within 600 feet (measured in pedestrian travel) of a "community location" including churches. It also prohibits restaurants serving alcohol within 300 feet of a church. (BTW if anyone knows, how does this work with Cucina Toscana across the street from the Greek Orthodox Church?) Not a great law in an area that is supposed to be higher density like downtown, but the city can't override it. Tower 8 is being built by the Mormon Church and will have church space inside of it. Would be nice if they could do something like 111 did with Village Baker.

How long has Cucina Toscana been there? I think they used to be able to apply for exceptions, but of course our State High Council took that power away about 3 or 4 years ago.

[jubguy3]

I’m pretty sure there is an exception for the CBD for the bars rule

[delts145]

Yes, I would like to see three to five more floors on that corner, but for me the positives far out way the negatives. Same positives as others have pointed out. Of course, no street side parking garage, or at least cleverly disguised, not a Walker Bank style atrocity. I like the design and the placement of the courtyard turnaround, which adds some charm to the street level and especially breaks up what could have been the buildings linear monotony. The two towers having different design patterns also a welcome touch in breaking up that same 200 S. monotony, and I like that they placed a club with a 200 S. entry on the corner. For me, having residential street level entries on that particular 200 E. street/neighborhood is an attractive human scale addition.







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[FullCircle]

^^^ Seems odd to me that they would tear down an existing 7-8 story building to build another 7-8 story building. How does that pencil out? demolition is expensive, seems like they would have to go higher to recoup costs. But maybe the condition of the existing building is pretty bad? I don't hate the design but it's pretty uninspired for being in the CBD. The same building out in the periphery would be fine, but not for 200 S 200 E. If they don't want retail proper, they could turn the units facing 200 E into live/work units. At least then you'd get some arts and crafts type things for pedestrians to look at while walking by.

[EPdesign]

Phase 2 of block 67 delayed. Prob 12 years. Phase 1 is still a go.

[airhero]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

I’m pretty sure there is an exception for the CBD for the bars rule

Maybe but it says nothing about that on DABC’s proximity restrictions page.
https://abc.utah.gov/license/proximity.html

[Always Sunny in SLC]

Originally Posted by EPdesign

Phase 2 of block 67 delayed. Prob 12 years. Phase 1 is still a go.

12 years is very specific. Also, so far out that I would consider it canceled and dead.

[stayinginformed]

Originally Posted by airhero

Maybe but it says nothing about that on DABC’s proximity restrictions page.
https://abc.utah.gov/license/proximity.html

They changed the law a year or two ago--when they got rid of the zion curtain, and in that legislation the distances were changed and the ability to get a variance was taken away. Anything already there before May 2017 was grandfathered.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Always Sunny in SLC

12 years is very specific. Also, so far out that I would consider it canceled and dead.

I'm assuming TIC knowing how slow things move in Salt Lake.

I am not sure if it's like this in other cities but any major development seems to always be delayed a significant amount of time before it's finally realized - or just plain canceled.

[msbutah]

Fencing going up around Tower 8 lot this morning.

[nushiof]

Originally Posted by msbutah

Fencing going up around Tower 8 lot this morning.

[nushiof]

Paperbox Lofts on 160 S. and 300 W. is groundbreaking today.

[Always Sunny in SLC]

Originally Posted by nushiof

Paperbox Lofts on 160 S. and 300 W. is groundbreaking today.

Speaking of SLC moving slow. Good to see this one finally moving forward. Sheesh.

[airhero]

I was about to say not everything is slow, look how fast Tower 8 is getting off the ground. But then I realized Tower 8 was originally proposed 12 years ago.

Can't believe Paperbox is finally moving forward.

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

2019 will be a BIG year for Sugarhouse!
It is also likely we will receive more proposals for new projects in 2019 (still waiting for more on Sugar Alley (former site of the Dixon Office Building proposal))
Though Sugarhouse is likely approaching the point where it is being considered nearly built out.

Speaking of, Lowe today just submitted a CBSDR application for Sugar Alley. I'm interested to see what they've come up with.

Also, I wouldn't say Sugar House nearly built out. Woodbury still plans to demolish the entire Sugar House shopping center and redevelop it. But not until after a reprieve. Once that is done, I think the Commons at Sugar House (large shopping area between 2100 South and Wilmington) will be the next victim to make way for development, though maybe not for at least a decade.

What I really want to see is the Extended Stay America and adjacent parking lot redeveloped. And I'd love to see a few bars/restaurants that would have outdoor seating fronting Parley's Creek. That big ugly hotel has always seemed like a waste there.