Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[GenWhy?]

Are they upset that Translink only operates within the Metro Vancouver area and that The Valley is excluded from these major transportation investments or options, or is it that they live in Kits or Point Grey and don't want it in their area?

I mean if there was a good business case for 100km/hr system of rail from Chilliwack / Abbotsford to Surrey then have at it with the Province and get support from a coalition of Councils in the Valley.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

Read the comments on that. They're a mess.

Occasionally I skim the comments - and those ones go off the rails (pun intended) by talking about the proposed HSR from Portland. How does that have anything to do with Skytrain?

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Are they upset that Translink only operates within the Metro Vancouver area and that The Valley is excluded from these major transportation investments or options, or is it that they live in Kits or Point Grey and don't want it in their area?

I mean if there was a good business case for 100km/hr system of rail from Chilliwack / Abbotsford to Surrey then have at it with the Province and get support from a coalition of Councils in the Valley.

From what little I could find about Rail For The Valley authors it seems like most of them live in Abbotsford - so butthurt about being excluded seems to be answer here.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Sheba

From what little I could find about Rail For The Valley authors it seems like most of them live in Abbotsford - so butthurt about being excluded seems to be answer here.

The logical answer would be to petition to integrate Abbotsford/Mission into Metro Van- Abbotsford has a similar population to both Langleys combined, or at least TransLink, not bashing them.

BC Transit is pretty bad, so I don't see what anyone who's from Abbotsford thinks they're going to gain by dedicating an entire blog to anti-Skytrain/TransLink.


(BTW, any rail that far out, LRT or not, would have to be subsidized due to lack of demand and the fact that Abbotsford is barely connected to Metro Van commuter-wise.)

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by fredinno

The logical answer would be to petition to integrate Abbotsford/Mission into Metro Van- Abbotsford has a similar population to both Langleys combined, or at least TransLink, not bashing them.

BC Transit is pretty bad, so I don't see what anyone who's from Abbotsford thinks they're going to gain by dedicating an entire blog to anti-Skytrain/TransLink.


(BTW, any rail that far out, LRT or not, would have to be subsidized due to lack of demand and the fact that Abbotsford is barely connected to Metro Van commuter-wise.)

Would Metro Van want to expand and include Abby / Mission? They seem too far away from most people in the region for it to make sense (about as much sense as Rail For The Valley's anti-Skytrain rants).

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Would Metro Van want to expand and include Abby / Mission? They seem too far away from most people in the region for it to make sense (about as much sense as Rail For The Valley's anti-Skytrain rants).

It depends on if Metro Van ends up sprawling out that far.

[scryer]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Would Metro Van want to expand and include Abby / Mission? They seem too far away from most people in the region for it to make sense (about as much sense as Rail For The Valley's anti-Skytrain rants).

When Metro Van spreads that far, then we should seriously consider expanding the WCE to reach those further municipalities.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by scryer

When Metro Van spreads that far, then we should seriously consider expanding the WCE to reach those further municipalities.

The WCE should have been expanded beyond where it is by now.... but that is a whole different discussion.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by scryer

When Metro Van spreads that far, then we should seriously consider expanding the WCE to reach those further municipalities.

Or at least provide some off-peak service.

[M00dy]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Or at least provide some off-peak service.

Good luck without their own RoW $$$$$$

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by M00dy

Good luck without their own RoW $$$$$$

There's the old interurban track.

[DKaz]

I don't think the WCE will ever expand being anything more than a commuter train, but the 701 replaced the Trainbus to provide partial two way and off peak service. A couple of extra WCE train trips would be nice but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by DKaz

I don't think the WCE will ever expand being anything more than a commuter train, but the 701 replaced the Trainbus to provide partial two way and off peak service. A couple of extra WCE train trips would be nice but I wouldn't hold my breath.

For a city and province that makes themselves out to being green, one would think they would have been expanding this.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by DKaz

I don't think the WCE will ever expand being anything more than a commuter train, but the 701 replaced the Trainbus to provide partial two way and off peak service. A couple of extra WCE train trips would be nice but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Yeah perhaps they could stick with an hourly bus service to every WCE station from Coquitlam to Mission.

[officedweller]

Has this been posted?

ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS SUMMARY & UPDATE
Rail to UBC Rapid Transit Study
January 2019
https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documen...9_01_24_technical_report_rail_to_ubc.pdf

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Has this been posted?

ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS SUMMARY & UPDATE
Rail to UBC Rapid Transit Study
January 2019
https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documen...9_01_24_technical_report_rail_to_ubc.pdf

Thanks for the link!

Just skimming the exec summary and something jumped out: the UBC station is anticipated to have over 10,000 passenger boardings and alightings during the 2045 AM Peak HOUR, which would make it the busiest station in the network. While achievable, it will require a sophisticated design response.

The review also considered a partially elevated line west of Blanca, which would reduce the cost of this segment by 36%. I have been of the opinion for years that this segment should not just be elevated, but significantly elevated to give passengers what would be one of the most incredible views from transit in the world.

Taken together, a high-capacity elevated UBC station (a strong candidate for a Spanish Solution configuration) and elevated line would be a cost-effective and visually spectacular addition to the transit system and passenger experience. Imagine a Brentwood-like station at UBC with views at tree-top level overlooking the campus, Endowment lands, and mountains and ocean beyond.

[DKaz]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Yeah perhaps they could stick with an hourly bus service to every WCE station from Coquitlam to Mission.

I wonder how the existing 701 service is doing? Translink might have to take a chance and do a trial run of all day service to see how popular it is.

I found a 2015 ridership report on the 66 Fraser Valley Express:

http://www.fvrd.ca/assets/Services/Docum...hip%20Review_FINAL%20February%202016.pdf

They found the service to be more popular on Saturday than they thought so they doubled the Saturday trips and introduced the same schedule on Sunday since the report.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Surprise surprise, SkyTrain dominates in almost every category.

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

The review also considered a partially elevated line west of Blanca, which would reduce the cost of this segment by 36%. I have been of the opinion for years that this segment should not just be elevated, but significantly elevated to give passengers what would be one of the most incredible views from transit in the world.

It also quantifies that 36% at $150 million. You all know I'm in favour, but better try and get the el-way up to Alma if we want to sell it as "much cheaper."

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

For a city and province that makes themselves out to being green, one would think they would have been expanding this.

Cost-benefit ratio of adding a new WCE track currently doesn't seem to check out, unfortunately.

Even the BMG is having way more trouble than it should to get funding.

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Yeah perhaps they could stick with an hourly bus service to every WCE station from Coquitlam to Mission.

You mean like https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/lougheed-highway-b-line-rapid-bus-translink ?

According to TransLink, the 18-km-long route on Lougheed Highway will have a 40-minute end-to-end travel time between Coquitlam Central Station in Coquitlam and Haneu Place in Maple Ridge. This is nearly 20 minutes faster than existing services, with frequencies set at every 10 minutes during peak, every 15 minutes during mid-day, evening, and weekend, and every 15 minutes during late night.

Ok, except Mission.

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Thanks for the link!

Just skimming the exec summary and something jumped out: the UBC station is anticipated to have over 10,000 passenger boardings and alightings during the 2045 AM Peak HOUR, which would make it the busiest station in the network. While achievable, it will require a sophisticated design response.

The review also considered a partially elevated line west of Blanca, which would reduce the cost of this segment by 36%. I have been of the opinion for years that this segment should not just be elevated, but significantly elevated to give passengers what would be one of the most incredible views from transit in the world.

Taken together, a high-capacity elevated UBC station (a strong candidate for a Spanish Solution configuration) and elevated line would be a cost-effective and visually spectacular addition to the transit system and passenger experience. Imagine a Brentwood-like station at UBC with views at tree-top level overlooking the campus, Endowment lands, and mountains and ocean beyond.

Why don't you put an observation deck and tower while you're at it?

[misher]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Why don't you put an observation deck and tower while you're at it?

There planning one for the Granville bridge