Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I barely contained my laughter over this: White Rock Mayor Darryl Walker worried the council seemed to be “rushing headlong into something several years out,” without really knowing what future growth of the region would look like.

Really? The busiest bus route in the region that's been studied to death and he thinks this is "rushing headlong"? Even with half as many people riding the 99B it would still be looking at an upgrade to Skytrain, just maybe not as quickly as it is now.

They should have the next Mayors Council meeting at UBC and force all the mayors to take the 99 B-Line to get there.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Well, that's one way of seeing it. But elevated SkyTrain doesn't seem to be ruining Richmond or Metrotown or the Tri-Cities (etc etc etc); if anything, it gives those parts of the suburbs a "big city" vibe.

If Cambie were as narrow and dense as Broadway, I'd say yes, it'd be a bad fit. Otherwise, there's no reason development couldn't have simply shaped itself around the stations and and made them a complementary element; Marine Gateway, for example.

This is an old quote, but I wanted to point something out.

Cambie could never be elevated south of King Edwards, as it should have been.

Cambie's Boulevard is designated as a Historical Designation.

Yes, I'm serious. That's why no one even bothered to propose elevated Skytrain, even though it made perfect sense.

https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/Cambie_Street/

Between King Edward Avenue West and Southwest Marine Drive, the street has a 10 metre wide boulevard with grass and many well established trees on it; the boulevard was designated as a heritage landscape by the city of Vancouver in 1993.

Ah yes, the great historical landscapes of Vancouver; Stanley Park, QE Park, and a random treed median on an arterial road...

This is why I'm skeptical that anything will ever be put on the median on W 10th. It happened once, it can happen again.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by fredinno

This is an old quote, but I wanted to point something out.

Cambie could never be elevated south of King Edwards, as it should have been.

Cambie's Boulevard is designated as a Historical Designation.

Yes, I'm serious. That's why no one even bothered to propose elevated Skytrain, even though it made perfect sense.

Actually, elevated SkyTrain was proposed, but the City and TransLink chickened out; heritage status can be given or removed at any time.

West Point Grey doesn't even have that designation to begin with, so I'm not sure what you're worried about.

[Galaxy]

If we continue to have the snow falls we have had lately then a subway line in a tunnel is better as snow can’t trigger the sensors on this segment of the system. The underground section of the Canada line had no issues during the last few snow events compared to the elevated sections.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Underground SkyTrain floods, though. If climate change is going to screw us either way, I'd pick the one that's cheaper and addresses the more frequent problem.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Ruining the Cambie Median with SkyTrain would have been a disgrace. just because some people cant appreciate the Bartholomew plan, that doesn't make it "some random treed median."

i am thankful that median was maintained; that is worth the money in my opinion.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Actually, elevated SkyTrain was proposed, but the City and TransLink chickened out; heritage status can be given or removed at any time.

West Point Grey doesn't even have that designation to begin with, so I'm not sure what you're worried about.

I mean, TBF, so can the viewcones.

The median on 10th Ave is another one of Bartholmew's Boulevards. One could see NIMBYs using the precedent set on preserving the median on Cambie to all similar boulevards, especially since this is on the West Side.

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

Ruining the Cambie Median with SkyTrain would have been a disgrace. just because some people cant appreciate the Bartholomew plan, that doesn't make it "some random treed median."

i am thankful that median was maintained; that is worth the money in my opinion.

I mean, near QE Park, sure, but south of Oakridge?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by fredinno

I mean, TBF, so can the viewcones.

The median on 10th Ave is another one of Bartholmew's Boulevards. One could see NIMBYs using the precedent set on preserving the median on Cambie to all similar boulevards, especially since this is on the West Side.

Depends on the alignment - nobody said SkyTrain had to go on the median. If TransLink uses the west or eastbound lanes, the trees are saved. If they use 8th and College Highroad through the woods, the trees aren't even an obstacle.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Depends on the alignment - nobody said SkyTrain had to go on the median. If TransLink uses the west or eastbound lanes, the trees are saved. If they use 8th and College Highroad through the woods, the trees aren't even an obstacle.

That's what I meant, I was skeptical it would be placed on the median, even though it probably would result in fewer overall impacts to the Park itself.

[s211]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Ah yes, the great historical landscapes of Vancouver; Stanley Park, QE Park, and a random treed median on an arterial road...

Typical BS from Vancouver's high and mighty bureaucrats.

[Dave2]

https://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=11506&pid=0

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Dave2

https://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=11506&pid=0

good place to read up more about it. thanks for posting.

i can't believe people would have been okay with forever ruining this corridor... even putting it down the sides, where it wouldn't have really fit, would have ruined this corridor. and to what, save a few bucks? or is this more of that "we hate the west side cuz we jealous" that is common when things like this come up.

thank god the people with the power to decide made the right call.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i can't believe people would have been okay with forever ruining this corridor... even putting it down the sides, where it wouldn't have really fit, would have ruined this corridor.

I dunno. I can't help but think we squandered a great opportunity to showcase our city, not only to our own citizens but to people arriving from the airport. The first thing we do is to stuff them into a dark, noisy underground tunnel. One of my favourite things about the Expo line is its incredible views.

I believe that a serious debate could be had about whether or not the views of the people traveling at grade on Cambie Street are really worth more than the view of the people riding the route on transit.

[YVR Bruce]

I'm surprised that no one has posted the occurrence of a key step:
the Invitation to bidders went out Friday, with this process closing April 2019.

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2019TRAN0018-000233

Upcoming key steps:
(1) Shortlisting of up to 3 teams - -June/July?
(2) Selection of successful contractor team - ?
(3) Contract signing - ?
(4) Construction begins - '2020' but no further clarity at this stage

A little item that could play with the list - a federal election on 21 October 2019 - and any surprise BC election...

It would be interesting if anyone is able to add good dates.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

I dunno. I can't help but think we squandered a great opportunity to showcase our city, not only to our own citizens but to people arriving from the airport. The first thing we do is to stuff them into a dark, noisy underground tunnel. One of my favourite things about the Expo line is its incredible views.

I believe that a serious debate could be had about whether or not the views of the people traveling at grade on Cambie Street are really worth more than the view of the people riding the route on transit.

There aren't any views to block, or any streetfronts to disturb. AFAIK this was just a bunch of homeowners who wanted their quiet little boondocks to stay quiet little boondocks.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

I'm surprised that no one has posted the occurrence of a key step:
the Invitation to bidders went out Friday, with this process closing April 2019.

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2019TRAN0018-000233

Upcoming key steps:
(1) Shortlisting of up to 3 teams - -June/July?
(2) Selection of successful contractor team - ?
(3) Contract signing - ?
(4) Construction begins - '2020' but no further clarity at this stage

A little item that could play with the list - a federal election on 21 October 2019 - and any surprise BC election...

It would be interesting if anyone is able to add good dates.

Thanks for posting.
Odd they'd announce before a holiday weekend - sort of hiding the news.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Thanks for posting.
Odd they'd announce before a holiday weekend - sort of hiding the news.

Well, it's the bidding invitation - only the potential contractors really need to know. It's the actual bids a few months later that everybody gets all excited about.

Sincerely hoping we don't get any "level playing field" crap this time around.

[Mac Write]

How can the government officially have bombardier as their official rolling stock, and LIM technology supplier (along with stuff they can only provide) and also have competitive bidding?

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

How can the government officially have bombardier as their official rolling stock, and LIM technology supplier (along with stuff they can only provide) and also have competitive bidding?

How do you mean "official rolling stock"? Is there anything written down that says Bombardier will be the only supplier of SkyTrain technology?

[red-paladin]

The RFQ for 3 teams is who will build the line, not supply the trains.