YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[zahav]

It looks lik YCG is the only airport still with DH3 service from YVR. Will that change do you think, or does their airport have restrictions on larger A/C? I know it's a challenging approach but not sure how that plays into having DH3 be thbe max? Or maybe tomorrow's update will have that as a DH4?

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by zahav

It looks lik YCG is the only airport still with DH3 service from YVR. Will that change do you think, or does their airport have restrictions on larger A/C? I know it's a challenging approach but not sure how that plays into having DH3 be thbe max? Or maybe tomorrow's update will have that as a DH4?

Our airport YCG has a 5300 foot runway and used to welcome 737s in the old milk run days. No restrictions that I know of.
I'm hoping for q400 service as they have RNP capability which would eliminate most of our cancellations. That may drop us down to 2x daily from 3 though which I would accept.

[Johnny Aussie]

Yeah it does appear YCG will be the only airport in BC seeing DH3 ops.
Even YQQ just flipped to 4 daily DH4s.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yeah it does appear YCG will be the only airport in BC seeing DH3 ops.
Even YQQ just flipped to 4 daily DH4s.

So I suppose YYC will be the only DH3 base in western Canada?

Seems like YVR-YCG is running off plane based in YYC:

12:50 YYC - YVR 12:57
13:20 YCG - YVR 14:36
15:05 YVR - YCG 16:19
17:20 YCG - YVR 18:36

07:15 YVR - YCG 08:29
08:50 YCG - YVR 10:06
10:35 YVR - YCG 11:49
12:10 YCG - YYC 14:13


I still see the DH3 from YQQ though, even though from the scheduled time it's unlikey that it will remain.

If that flight gets removed, then next summer YVR and YUL will have exactly the same number of flights at 1307 weekly. Judging from weekly frequency alone, YYZ is -3%, YVR is +2%, YUL is +3%, YYC is -15% compared to last year.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

If that flight gets removed, then next summer YVR and YUL will have exactly the same number of flights at 1307 weekly. Judging from weekly frequency alone, YYZ is -3%, YVR is +2%, YUL is +3%, YYC is -15% compared to last year.

You may have to do that awesome chart of yours too.

YVR maintaining its mainline flights too while others get continually transferred to rouge.

YYC’s reduction almost entirely due to the loss of Air Georgian. Capacity wise probably only down very marginally.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

You may have to do that awesome chart of yours too.

In a couple of week, as there will be further changes (the extra DH3 to YQQ, one daily BEH left in YYC schedule, double count of YUL-ALG and YYC-YHZ between mainline and Rouge, etc).

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YYC’s reduction almost entirely due to the loss of Air Georgian. Capacity wise probably only down very marginally.

More than that. YYC is down about 150 express flights, and BEH only account for 122 of them. The ones result in net capacity loss are:

YYC-YEG
YYC-YEG-YZF
YYC-PDX

But then YYC gained quite a bit of capacity in YYC-YYZ...

Speaking of which, noticed that AC operation at YZF is entirely CR9 starting Aug 1st (YYC/YEG rotate through second-daily YVR-YZF flight which also starts on the same day)

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by nname

So I suppose YYC will be the only DH3 base in western Canada?

Seems like YVR-YCG is running off plane based in YYC:

12:50 YYC - YVR 12:57
13:20 YCG - YVR 14:36
15:05 YVR - YCG 16:19
17:20 YCG - YVR 18:36

07:15 YVR - YCG 08:29
08:50 YCG - YVR 10:06
10:35 YVR - YCG 11:49
12:10 YCG - YYC 14:13


I still see the DH3 from YQQ though, even though from the scheduled time it's unlikey that it will remain.

If that flight gets removed, then next summer YVR and YUL will have exactly the same number of flights at 1307 weekly. Judging from weekly frequency alone, YYZ is -3%, YVR is +2%, YUL is +3%, YYC is -15% compared to last year.

A dummy booking June 1st shows a Q400 Castlegar to Calgary return and the usual Dash 8 300 Castlegar to Vancouver return.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

A dummy booking June 1st shows a Q400 Castlegar to Calgary return and the usual Dash 8 300 Castlegar to Vancouver return.

AC has a funny way of bridging their booking engine and their schedule engine.

They tend to update the schedules first then they update the booking engine.

Also, looking at YCG-YYC and YYC-YCG in dummy bookings.... one direction it’s a DH4 and the other direction it’s a DH3.

[Johnny Aussie]

AC's rise at YVR in 10 years.... comparing summer 2019 to summer 2009

2009

In 2009 AC had:

47 weekly international (non-US) flights to 7 destinations (less than 7 daily)
178 weekly Transborder flights to 10 destinations (about 25 daily)

AC's total international ops at YVR in summer 2009:

225 weekly flights to 17 destinations (~ 32 daily)

2019

Fast forward to summer 2019 AC will have:

113 weekly international (non-US) flights to 18 destinations (~16 daily)
301 weekly Transborder flights to 17 destinations (43 daily)

AC's total international ops at YVR in summer 2019:

414 weekly flights to 35 destinations (~60 daily!)

Note also every non-US international flight is mainline this summer.

Even with the reduction in frequencies on some intra provincial routes because of the upgauges from DH3s to DH4s, overall YVR ops this summer are greater than summer 2018 due to increases on other routes.

Mainline increases from 81 to 86 daily summer 2019.

In comparison with Westjet:

In 2009 Westjet had 14 weekly Transborder flights at YVR (YEG had more than YVR in 2009).
In 2019 that's increased to 74 weekly.

And for international carriers
Summer 2009 had 113 weekly flights on 13 carriers
Summer 2019 will have 192 weekly flights on 24 carriers

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

AC has a funny way of bridging their booking engine and their schedule engine.

They tend to update the schedules first then they update the booking engine.

Also, looking at YCG-YYC and YYC-YCG in dummy bookings.... one direction it’s a DH4 and the other direction it’s a DH3.

Ah weird. We've never had a Q400 land here ever so we will see what happens.
Here's hopin'.

[SpongeG]

New YVR cargo facility could blow away Burkeville: Richmond residents

Alan Campbell / Richmond News
FEBRUARY 13, 2019

The construction of a giant cargo facility at YVR could be the last straw for life as Burkeville residents know it.

Vancouver Airport Authority (VAA) is planning the three-storey building on green space it owns immediately to the west of the 328-home community on Sea Island.

The move, say the residents, will bring cargo aircraft and associated operations within 300 metres of their backyards and Sea Island elementary.

VAA contends aircraft will come no closer than they do already and are offering to beautify and develop the Templeton corridor for the benefit of the community.


For the residents of Burkeville, however, it’s not so much the loss of the 10-acre space they know as Templeton Park, it’s the loss of a “vital buffer zone” for noise pollution from the airport.

“We live in Burkeville, we get it, we are used to the noise of aircraft taking off and landing, no problem,” said long-term resident Andrew Baxter.

“But we need that noise buffer for the operational stuff; this is coming too close now. It’s not the loss of the park space, it’s that buffer.

“They can keep all their corridor improvements, we don’t need them. We have constantly asked why this can’t go elsewhere on YVR property.”

...

https://www.richmond-news.com/community/...burkeville-richmond-residents-1.23632414

[Johnny Aussie]

Looks like Sunwing has pulled all its Western Canada sunflights this summer.

They will only offer daily YVR-YYZ domestic flights.

Sun flights will resume in the fall

Transat will still have its weekly YVR-CUN and YVR-PVR flights this summer.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looks like Sunwing has pulled all its Western Canada sunflights this summer.

They will only offer daily YVR-YYZ domestic flights.

Sun flights will resume in the fall

Transat will still have its weekly YVR-CUN and YVR-PVR flights this summer.

Hmm... still see SJD and VRA in booking though. Is WG's booking also update late like AC's?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Hmm... still see SJD and VRA in booking though. Is WG's booking also update late like AC's?

Oops. Bad sleuthing on my part. Gone are flights to CUN and PVR but definitely flights to VRA and SJD.

So I will rephrase that Sunwing is greatly reducing its sun flying program this summer in western Canada by about a half.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

New YVR cargo facility could blow away Burkeville: Richmond residents

Alan Campbell / Richmond News
FEBRUARY 13, 2019

The construction of a giant cargo facility at YVR could be the last straw for life as Burkeville residents know it.

Vancouver Airport Authority (VAA) is planning the three-storey building on green space it owns immediately to the west of the 328-home community on Sea Island.

The move, say the residents, will bring cargo aircraft and associated operations within 300 metres of their backyards and Sea Island elementary.

VAA contends aircraft will come no closer than they do already and are offering to beautify and develop the Templeton corridor for the benefit of the community.


For the residents of Burkeville, however, it’s not so much the loss of the 10-acre space they know as Templeton Park, it’s the loss of a “vital buffer zone” for noise pollution from the airport.

“We live in Burkeville, we get it, we are used to the noise of aircraft taking off and landing, no problem,” said long-term resident Andrew Baxter.

“But we need that noise buffer for the operational stuff; this is coming too close now. It’s not the loss of the park space, it’s that buffer.

“They can keep all their corridor improvements, we don’t need them. We have constantly asked why this can’t go elsewhere on YVR property.”

...

https://www.richmond-news.com/community/...burkeville-richmond-residents-1.23632414

The move, say the residents, will bring cargo aircraft and associated operations within 300 metres of their backyards and Sea Island elementary.

“There’s going to be a three-storey hangar, 300 feet from my back door; there’s going to be lots more noise and health concerns. It’s going to make Burkeville uninhabitable."

At the moment, says Welters, there’s about 2,000 feet between the nearest Burkeville home and the FedEx building.

A) How the reporter interchanges 300 metres and feet is astounding.

B) Look at Google Maps there's a plane at the FedEx building and it's already 300 metres away (ie 90 feet) There is no way the building is 2000 feet away.

[officedweller]

Posted Jan 5th:

Originally Posted by officedweller

That's interesting, because the current plan is for Templeton to end in a cul-de-sac south of Miller Road for the development of a new logistics facility
- I think it's for FEDEX.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/about-yvr/community/engagement/templeton-area-redevelopment


http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/...ment-open-house-display-boards.pdf?la=en

[Johnny Aussie]

AC's press release about the deployment of more Q400 capacity in a YVR and YYC

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02-...-to-More-Western-Canada-Regional-Markets

They don't mention it but there are also capacity increases to: YYJ, YXT, YZF, SEA, SFO, Hawaii (HNL/OGG overall), YXC and YXJ and the 4th daily to YOW.

The only real decrease ex-YVR is YLW which is down one daily.
YXY and YXE are each losing one frequency per week.
YEG and YYC each down a couple of frequencies per week but larger aircraft on some of the flights so overall marginal increase in seats on those two routes

[Johnny Aussie]

Latest OAG update on airliners.net has DL extending ATL to year-round.

5 weekly in the scheds through winter.

Flights operate except Tuesdays and Wednesdays red-eye departures on 739s

[CloudInspector]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Latest OAG update on airliners.net has DL extending ATL to year-round.

5 weekly in the scheds through winter.

Flights operate except Tuesdays and Wednesdays red-eye departures on 739s

I imagine this is related to the Delta JV?

[casper]

Originally Posted by CloudInspector

I imagine this is related to the Delta JV?

I have done that flight the odd time. departs after us custom closes in Vancouver so no pre clearance.

Departing from the international concourse means it is served by the new sky team lounge.