YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I feel like I need a Christmas brownie with Cannabis in it.

Go Canada! ������������

Edibles still aren't legal......

[canlynx]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Edibles still aren't legal......

Sure they are, just not for sale.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

That's what he said on the recent radio interview. Anyway, he's looking for seven more - but will not release them right now. I wonder what seven further destinations he has in mind.

By my count, YVR is at 124 destinations.

Based on this.

Removed GLA, NGO and TSN, added LIR.

[TheGreatestX]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Mr. Richmond's states is that he plans, over the next "few" (open to interpretation) years, to get from 127 destinations to 144. That's seven more.

Are you sure about that?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX

Are you sure about that?

Mr. Richmond said (and you can hear it on the tape a few posts back) that he wants to go from 127 destinations to 144, which of course, is 17 (seventeen) more destinations.
My bad arithmetic !! Anyway, that's what he said, so it's open to guess what some of those might be. I imagine several transborder, several Asia-Pacific, South America, maybe Europe.

[SpongeG]

from the YVR Facebook page

Vancouver International Airport
9 hrs ·
We've done it! Today, Linda boarded her flight in Toronto and landed at YVR as our 25-millionth passenger. What an incredible year at YVR. We could not have reached this important milestone without help from our amazing airport community.

[Johnny Aussie]

KLM boosting capacity next summer...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/282186/klm-s19-long-haul-changes-as-of-26dec18/

777-300ER replacing 777-200ER during the following periods.

07MAY19 – 03JUN19 Day 247
04JUN19 – 25OCT19 Day x135

[zahav]

Nice, I don't think YVR has ever seen regular service from the KLM 777-300ER has it? I feel like it was MD-11, 330, and 777-200 only (and even that has been fairly recent)

[CloudInspector]

Originally Posted by zahav

Nice, I don't think YVR has ever seen regular service from the KLM 777-300ER has it? I feel like it was MD-11, 330, and 777-200 only (and even that has been fairly recent)

And even before that was the DC-10, 747 and 767. I think YVR has seen most of KLM’s long haul fleet over the past thirty or so years.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by CloudInspector

And even before that was the DC-10, 747 and 767. I think YVR has seen most of KLM’s long haul fleet over the past thirty or so years.

KLM has flip flopped all over the place in Western Canada the last few years with equipment. YYC has seen a mix of 330s, 789s and 772s. YVR has seen the same mix. YEG has been consistent with 332s since the first flight there with the odd substitution of the larger 333.

Next summer YVR will remain daily with a mix of 773s and 772s, YYC will be daily 333 and YEG 4 weekly 332 still.

KLM’s 773s have over 400 seats.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

But yes.... YVR is almost a rouge free zone now.

Seems like the last day of Rouge 763 at YVR is actually June 14, 2019. The first month of service to DUB will remains Rouge.

I wasn't looking close into this before, but seems like YUL-DUB had also been converted to Rouge before June 13 from YUL and June 15 from DUB... so Rouge will be here to stay until the 333 arrives.

In other news, YVR-BNE had been reduced to 6x weekly in Oct, and so far 5-6x weekly in Nov before going back to daily in Dec 2019.

Also, at the current state, most likely KIX will have service extended into the winter schedule. The last fight from YVR is currently Oct 26, while the last flight from KIX is Oct 25. What will that 788 do when it arrives at KIX on the 27th? Wait until next summer?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Seems like the last day of Rouge 763 at YVR is actually June 14, 2019. The first month of service to DUB will remains Rouge.

I wasn't looking close into this before, but seems like YUL-DUB had also been converted to Rouge before June 13 from YUL and June 15 from DUB... so Rouge will be here to stay until the 333 arrives.

In other news, YVR-BNE had been reduced to 6x weekly in Oct, and so far 5-6x weekly in Nov before going back to daily in Dec 2019.

Also, at the current state, most likely KIX will have service extended into the winter schedule. The last fight from YVR is currently Oct 26, while the last flight from KIX is Oct 25. What will that 788 do when it arrives at KIX on the 27th? Wait until next summer?

My comments:

DUB - probably because the 330 being used on the route won’t be ready in time.
Rouge will still be in YVR on LAS only.

BNE - that actually happened this year as well. A few of the flights in Oct and Nov were quietly dropped.

KIX - that would be nice if it was made year-round.

[nname]

Another thing I noticed is the LF for TPE flights for November:

	YVR -> TPE	TPE -> YVR
AC	93.9%		94.6%
BR	89.6%		68.9%
CI	91.5%		63.0%

Seems like the traffic is very directional.... but for some reason it doesn't affect AC much?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Another thing I noticed is the LF for TPE flights for November:

	YVR -> TPE	TPE -> YVR
AC	93.9%		94.6%
BR	89.6%		68.9%
CI	91.5%		63.0%

Seems like the traffic is very directional.... but for some reason it doesn't affect AC much?

November being probably the slowest travel month of the year for YVR that's a great result.

My flight from TPE-YVR on BR 9 days ago was over 90%. P cabin was 100% and J appeared almost full. I would expect that close to XMAS most flights would be in the 90s.

[nname]

AM extends third daily YVR-MEX on Saturday till the end of March.

Mid-April service to 16-17 weekly (third dailies on Fri/Sat/Sun), and starting Apr 7, departure time move forward to 6:40am, 12:35pm*, 11:20pm (same as non-DST time, * on selected days).

[trofirhen]

I wonder if / when YVR will get Guadalajara? Both SEA and PDX have it, on Volaris, I believe.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Yep. Our last domestic hope was WS, and they've picked YYC as their longhaul hub.

I don't see too many other carriers looking at YVR from Asia.
- Asiana should be here but for some reason isn't.
- Thai, Vietnam, and Singapore are all very unlikely.
- Turkish is also a long shot and only 3X if it does happen
- Qantas is the only likely growth with an upguage on YVR-SYD to a more frequent dreamliner vs sporadic 3x 747.

Closer to home:
- Copa should happen, I think they can fill in the YVR-South America void no one seems willing to jump on.
- MTY or GDL I think are still quite likely. The latin population in Vancouver is growing rapidly and tourism from and to Mexico is flourishing.

Transborder and domestic should still do well though. The economy here continues to boom and pop growth remains steady at 40,000-50,000 a year.

An article with WS CEO Ed Sims in the FP today:
'We've just grown too big, too fast:' CEO Ed Sims taps the brakes at WestJet

If memory serves, didn't WS shift a lot of emphasis to YVR after oil collapsed in AB in 2014? I guess they're just shifting it back there now.

[Johnny Aussie]

All fairly logical really. Reading the undertones in that article definitely taking a punt with YYC.

It will all come down to market size and the ability to make it work there. He makes it very clear their international ops will depend on feeding the flights which will automatically put pressure on yields. Definitely a tough time to do this with the recent economic climate there.

But really where else could they go? YYZ? YVR? YYZ already has sooo much competition for Europe and YVR probably wouldn’t be able to handle more flights to CDG or DUB yet.

He says YYC is underserved internationally... but perhaps with recent events there (AC to NRT, BA to LHR, HU to PEK and TS’s massive cutbacks in recent years)... perhaps that’s not actually true. Probably a few reasons why that is (I refer to international other than sun flying).

[fredinno]

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/yvr-airport-interchange-templeton-street-grand-mcconachie-way

Don Ehrenholz, the Vice-President of Engineering for the Vancouver Airport Authority, told Daily Hive that YVR’s updated long-term master plan calls for the construction of an interchange over Grant McConachie Way and Templeton Street to take vehicles making left or right turns on Templeton Street off of the main road to the airport.

This would allow for higher traffic throughput with all lanes going straight to the terminal, which is anticipated to continue to see immense passenger traffic growth over the coming years — from the record 25 million passengers in 2018 to 31 million passengers by 2022.
The timeline for the interchange project would allow for a completion for 2026, with the design process beginning in 2022, but he notes that “these dates are flexible and will be adapted based on need.”
In addition to supporting YVR’s growth, it would also accommodate the projected growth in traffic generated by the outlet centre, which is primarily accessed from Templeton Street.

Over the longer term, the master plan indicates airport officials have reserved the option to extend Templeton Street to Russ Baker Way — along the western border of the Burkeville community — to provide an alternate route for airport traffic.

[officedweller]

That's interesting, because the current plan is for Templeton to end in a cul-de-sac south of Miller Road for the development of a new logistics facility
- I think it's for FEDEX.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/about-yvr/community/engagement/templeton-area-redevelopment


http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/...ment-open-house-display-boards.pdf?la=en