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Old Posted Feb 12, 2019, 4:14 PM
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I'd really like to know what is going on. Its all a bit vague based on what I see on Twitter. There's no smoking gun-just seems to be a lot of small stuff.

Is the city getting nit picky? Are there serious deficiencies?
I agree that there seems to be a void of information. Having said that, you need to be nit picky because anything that isn't done when you hand over the money, may never get done.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2019, 5:04 PM
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Egli posted FEDCO slides. We can see the Parliament Station multi-coloured ceiling installation on slide 12. Kind of wish that ceiling was at Rideau. Better match for the "Art Gallery" theme, which is in no way apparent currently.

http://keithegli.ca/ottawas-light-rail-transit-updates/
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2019, 5:23 PM
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RTG is confident on March 31 but Manconi isn't. Sole issue at this point is actually fleet availability. Only 24 of 34 trains have been given final certification.

Train testing is going very well apparently. Station construction not a concern, will be done within weeks. Parliament is fully complete.

City expects to know for sure March 5th.
CBC radio said 14. They also noted the full test run is not scheduled until the middle of March and that ventilation tests have not been done yet.
     
     
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CBC radio said 14. They also noted the full test run is not scheduled until the middle of March and that ventilation tests have not been done yet.
https://twitter.com/KatePorterCBC/status/1095343228541231104

24 was reported on Twitter.
     
     
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RTG is confident on March 31 but Manconi isn't. Sole issue at this point is actually fleet availability. Only 24 of 34 trains have been given final certification.

Train testing is going very well apparently. Station construction not a concern, will be done within weeks. Parliament is fully complete.

City expects to know for sure March 5th.
Then why doesn't the confederation line website show anything in green?
     
     
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https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/rtg-confident-...march-31-manconi-not-convinced-1.4293556

The article says 15 trains will be in use. How does this produce the needed capacity? This means to achieve 10,700 passenger per hour per direction, each train has to make a round trip in 50 minutes. Little or no dwell time at each end of the line?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2019, 5:46 PM
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End-of-March LRT handover still on, builder says; transportation head says he's 'concerned'

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen

Updated: February 12, 2019

The head of the LRT builder says they’re still on track for handing over the $2.1-billion transit line by March 31.

Peter Lauch, CEO of construction consortium Rideau Transit Group, told councillors on Tuesday he’s still confident that RTG will meet the obligation.

“We’re on track to do so,” Lauch said during a council finance and economic development committee.

The provincial and federal governments each contributed $600 million for constructing the first phase of Ottawa’s LRT line.

“I am concerned about March 31,” transportation GM John Manconi says, noting the laundry list of things RTG has to achieve in a short timeframe.

RTG was scheduled to first hand over the LRT system on May 24, 2018. Missing that deadline, it agreed to hand over the system by Nov. 2, 2018.

For missing the November deadline, the city levied a $1-million penalty against RTG under their contract.

After assessing the work still needed to be done, RTG last month said it could deliver the system by March 31, 2019.

The city has endured six years of LRT construction, which has forced OC Transpo buses off the rail-converted Transitway and into mixed traffic. All kinds of traffic have been impacted by construction detours.

Council approved the construction contract in December 2012 and work started in spring 2013. The city held an official event in October 2013 marking the start of tunnel construction.

Work seemed to be chugging along nicely until June 8, 2016 when a massive sinkhole opened on Rideau Street, above the LRT tunnel. The city believes RTG’s construction work caused the sinkhole, which has been fingered as a major cause of the project delay.

The city believes RTG should pay for all of its costs tied to LRT construction delays. As of December 2018, the city calculated the cost at $25 million and it believes it’s entitled to the money under the terms of the construction contract. The city and RTG are negotiating.

The first phase of LRT will run 12.5 kilometres between Tunney’s Pasture and Blair Station, via a 2.5-kilometre downtown tunnel. There will be 13 stations, including three stations in the tunnel.

Meanwhile, the city in 2019 wants to get started building extensions to the LRT line and the Trillium Line. The city on Feb. 27 is scheduled to recommend construction contract awards to stretch the Confederation Line to Trim Road, Algonquin College and Moodie Drive, and extend the Trillium Line to the Ottawa International Airport and Riverside South. The so-called Stage 2 program is supposed to be completely done by 2024 at a cost of $3.6 billion, jointly funded by all three levels of government.

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The article says 15 trains will be in use. How does this produce the needed capacity? This means to achieve 10,700 passenger per hour per direction, each train has to make a round trip in 50 minutes. Little or no dwell time at each end of the line?
Probably not much dwell time needed, considering there's going to be a near-continuous stream of people at bus-train transfer points. Can't imagine it will take more than two minutes to fully unload and load a train even at rush hour with 14 doors.
     
     
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The article says 15 trains will be in use. How does this produce the needed capacity? This means to achieve 10,700 passenger per hour per direction, each train has to make a round trip in 50 minutes. Little or no dwell time at each end of the line?
I guess it was discussed in the OC Transpo thread, but how much dwell time do you think there needs to be at either end? Realistically there doesn't need to be any more than it takes to unload and load a train. It won't be like the Trillium Line (on weekdays) where a train just sits at the platform for 7 minutes.
     
     
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Then why doesn't the confederation line website show anything in green?
They moved everything to yellow a while back because they decided to be less transparent about the state of the project.
     
     
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Lyon Station 3D tour is available on the Ready4Rail website. We don't get the fancy video presented at FEDCO however.

http://www.octranspo.com/ready4rail/my_station#lyon_360
Virtual tour gives future LRT riders glimpse of Lyon Street station

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: February 12, 2019


A virtual tour of Lyon Street station launched Tuesday gives future LRT travellers a 360-degree walk through one of the main downtown stations on the Confederation Line.

Mayor Jim Watson launched the virtual tour in a tweet Tuesday morning.

Virtual visitors can use their computer or cellphone to walk their way through the station, starting at street level and descending stairs and escalators all the way to the train platform. Along the way, clickable “hot spots” provide more details on safety features such as the location of emergency phones, signage and wayfinding markers on the floor.

Stairwells feature bicycle runnels to help cyclists guide their bikes down the steps. There is information on the public art installations, locations of the electronic information kiosks, turnstiles and markers to show where the paid fare zone begins.

The tour can be found here: octranspo.com/ready4rail.

Lyon Station is one of 13 stations on the 12.5-kilometre Confederation Line, scheduled to open later this year. The public got its last look inside the station during the Canada 150 celebrations when the unfinished station hosted the popular Kontinuum laser light show.

The virtual tour was launched the same day that officials from Rideau Transit Group appeared before the city’s Finance and Economic Development Committee to provide an update on the project, which they say is still on track for the March 31 handover date. RTG is a consortium of more than a dozen companies building the first phase of Ottawa’s LRT.

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Old Posted Feb 12, 2019, 6:12 PM
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Lyon Station 3D tour is available on the Ready4Rail website. We don't get the fancy video presented at FEDCO however.

http://www.octranspo.com/ready4rail/my_station#lyon_360
This station looks quite bleak and uninviting to me. That will change somewhat when there are people in it, but still... Those platform sure look narrow too - hopefully just an artifact of the photography.
     
     
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Water infiltration, concrete 'honeycombing' part of rectified defects at Rideau Station

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: February 12, 2019


Inspectors looking for construction snafus in Ottawa’s largest infrastructure project found water infiltration, drainage glitches and concrete defects at the Rideau LRT station last year, city records reveal.

The city recently released 25 more “non-conformance” reports to researcher Ken Rubin under access-to-information law. They are the same kind of inspection records whose details were reported by this newspaper last month and in August 2018. A ruling last year by the province’s information and privacy commissioner compelled the city and RTG, the project’s builder, to release the reports.

The latest batch is intriguing since the inspection records are largely from 2018, just months before the second missed deadline for the builder to hand the keys to the project over to the city, in November 2018. The first missed handover was in May 2018.

RTG has told the city it will now hand over the LRT system to the city by the end of March. City council’s finance and economic development committee is scheduled to receive an important update on the work Tuesday.

Non-conformance inspections are standard in the construction industry. They make sure infrastructure is built to standards and specifications. If there’s a problem, the issue is documented, the builder proposes a solution and it’s cleared by engineers.

On the LRT project, builder Rideau Transit Group and the city have quality-control inspectors.

RTG is responsible for paying to fix construction deficiencies on the $2.1-billion Confederation Line project. The consortium also has a 30-year maintenance contract with the city.

“Recurring deficiencies” were recorded in a report by an RTG inspector last August related to the concrete on the Rideau Station’s north and south platforms.

There was “honeycombing” — a term used to describe coarse surfaces and cavities in concrete — and voids around embedded conduits. Grounding cable was protruding from the surface of the concrete topping and wire mesh was exposed. There was heaving of the concrete and pipe insulation exposed in the surface of the concrete, the report says.

The builder proposed to repair most of the deficiencies and leave some as-is, but, according to the report, an engineer said the builder “should strive to replace honeycombed areas” to avoid problems with tiling in the future.

In a separate non-conformance report, an RTG inspector found water getting through the concrete structure in a heating, ventilation and air conditioning room at the Rideau Station east entrance. The subcontractor, trying using a polyurethane crack injection to plug the leaks, didn’t have much luck. A second subcontractor tried a different product and had better results, but according to the report, “water ingress persisted.”

A third subcontractor was proposed to come in and plug the leaks, followed by the application of a coating as an additional waterproofing measure, the report says.

Drainage systems in the two easternmost tunnel stations have caught the eye of inspectors, who have also flagged drainage deficiencies at Lyon Station.

RTG’s inspectors found defects in the sanitary and storm drains at Parliament Station, according to a non-conformance report started last August. There was a small volume of debris creating a minor blockage. Both the sanitary and storm system had exposed gaskets. The proposed plan was to keep the construction as-is, since there wasn’t a major water accumulation in the pipes of either the sanitary or storm systems.

A similar deficiency was caught in a Rideau Station sanitary pipe. The builder noted in the report that the pipe wasn’t servicing a washroom so it’s not expected to contain solid waste. Again, the construction defects were proposed to be accepted as-is.

MORE: Ottawa LRT inspections reveal drainage system gaffes, concrete-filled sewer

Back at Lyon Station, an RTG inspector discovered inefficient spacing of conduits on the platform, potentially leading to long-term durability problems. The builder “will accept liability for any potential long-term cracking issues,” the non-conformance report says.

The city’s own eagle-eyed inspection team has caught dozens of construction mistakes on the LRT project so far.

Michael Morgan, the director of the city’s rail construction program, said the city has eight “construction monitors” who review all aspects of the construction. The city also monitors the assembly and testing of the Alstom Citadis Spirit LRT vehicles, he noted.

City inspectors looked at the Bayview Station last August and noticed that the artsy barrier between tracks actually didn’t meet federal station standards because there were large openings. The builder acknowledged it and drew up a modification plan.

The city’s inspection team also flagged a proof-of-payment sign installed after the fare gates at Blair Station, kicking off a larger discussion about where to put the signs in all stations. An “agreement” was eventually reached between the city and RTG about where to put the signs, but the report doesn’t get into those details.

Missing phone and data connections were also caught by city inspectors when checking bus supervisor offices at Blair and Hurdman stations. At the three tunnel stations, inspectors discovered that some advertising areas didn’t have power and communication provisions, contrary to the project agreement.

City inspectors didn’t like that at Blair Station a fire hydrant was relocated behind a bus shelter, resulting in an obstruction to the hydrant. The engineers didn’t accept the city’s non-conformance report, arguing the hydrant could be easily accessed for emergency and maintenance purposes. The city rejected the engineers’ take.

Morgan said there have been 842 non-conformance reports issued on the LRT project, with 667 of them filed by RTG inspectors and 175 filed by city inspectors. He didn’t say how that stacks up with industry standards.

“All major (non-conformance reports) will be closed and resolved prior to RTG achieving substantial completion,” Morgan said.

“It is important to note that should any quality issues arise, RTG remains responsible to rectify the issue during the 30-year maintenance term. It is this aspect of the city’s (public-private partnership) agreement with RTG that provides the confidence that there should not be any long-term impacts resulting from these (non-conformance reports).”

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This station looks quite bleak and uninviting to me. That will change somewhat when there are people in it, but still... Those platform sure look narrow too - hopefully just an artifact of the photography.
I agree. The big flat white tiles at the entrances look like a mix of sterile hospital and crappy transit systems from 40 years ago. Art work looks like it's from an 80s elementary school. Concourse level entrance to Place de Ville is very awkward. The yellow colour at Lyon looks sickly. Lots of gross looking bare concrete. Fencing and wide pillars at platform level make it feel enclosed. Depressing fluorescent looking lighting. And yes, platforms look extremely narrow. Narrow to the point two people can't walk side by side. And based on Kontinuum, seems pretty accurate.

Capacity of the trains and lines shouldn't be our concern, but the capacity of the platforms.

Hoping Parliament and Rideau are better.
     
     
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That fare paid zone at LYON just screams - ADD RETAIL. Missed opportunity but its never too late to add something to that huge swath of bare space.
     
     
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The article says 15 trains will be in use. How does this produce the needed capacity? This means to achieve 10,700 passenger per hour per direction, each train has to make a round trip in 50 minutes. Little or no dwell time at each end of the line?
With the 2 minutes dwell time at each end previously discussed, using 15 trains works out to 10,000 pphpd. That is cutting it pretty thin.
     
     
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Egli posted FEDCO slides. We can see the Parliament Station multi-coloured ceiling installation on slide 12. Kind of wish that ceiling was at Rideau. Better match for the "Art Gallery" theme, which is in no way apparent currently.

http://keithegli.ca/ottawas-light-rail-transit-updates/
I'm actually glad that ceiling looks like the rendering (actually maybe a bit better than the rendering). Of course we know know that RTG screwed up the fancy wood ceilings at Rideau and Lyon and had to use a much cheaper looking substitute
     
     
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Agreed that Lyon looks pretty bleh. Judging from the pictures we've seen, Parliament and Rideau look nice, Parliament especially so.

Given that the western part of the CBD is very ugly-concrete-seventies-esque, maybe they're just trying to fit the existing character
     
     
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FEDCO received a Confederation Line update today. I have loaded the presentation and some notes to O-Train Fans. You can see them all here:

https://www.otrainfans.ca/blogs/fedco-confederation-line-update-february-12-2019
     
     
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The artwork in Lyon station looks like a bunch of drunk people falling down the stairs or puking in boxes
     
     
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