Calgary Construction XXVI

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by dg66

Canadians are lazy? You need to get a clue. You should also try working a 40 hour a week job, and raising two kids and looking after your parents on top of that. Get a clue!

There is "some" validity to what you're saying, but frankly speaking, there is an in-between phase where seniors don't actually require much attention, and in fact, are forces of education and ethics for your kids, while also animating the home in a fashion such that everyone would need less time on the Internet or finding other BS forms of entertainment to keep themselves busy. That in-between time would be better served for all if families stayed together.

Undoubtedly the built environment has much to do with this. On the one hand, the advent of multi-floor homes becomes a challenge (and an excuse), while scrunched living quarters such as those in the densest parts of the city (generally) don't have space for more than 2-3 people total (including kids). Recall that Calgary's #2 most populous area has an average number of occupants per occupied dwelling of 1.38 (24,887 people in 18,029 residences in the Beltline).

This broader issue is a primary driver of the very real mental health crisis. People are living "amidst" many, many people, but in reality are more and more alone. I'm not just talking about the seniors here, but also the monkey yankers in their studios who have forgotten their parents.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Bad Grizzly

Canadians aren’t lazy in general, but I kind of agree with you in regards to looking after parents. My parents live with my sister and I take them from time to time when she gets overloaded. In Asian culture children looking after their parents is more the norm. It’s something that’s expected.

Virtually all of Asia, all of Africa and all of South and Central America. I'm unclear how North America compares to the EU on this one, but I get the sense that there is a lot of variability on this within the EU. From a population perspective, the Canadian reality is quote the minority from a global context.

All being said, again, there are ways to navigate reasonably based on realities for a particular family, and at some point where extensive support is required, there are appropriate places for the elderly where they will not be isolated and can live in dignity. Many of the places are, however, undignified.

It is interesting however how the above might actually be impacting an ideal urban home and associated built environment. We don't often talk about this, so am thankful someone brought it up.

[ST1]

Yeah, that’s pretty much bullshit. My grandmotherbis in a seniors facility and about 1/3 of the residents are Chinese or Indian descent, which is more than the population demographic they make up.

The reason they look after their elders back in China or India, is because there are no more seniors homes. It’s either look after them or boot them to the street.

Originally Posted by Bad Grizzly

Canadians aren’t lazy in general, but I kind of agree with you in regards to looking after parents. My parents live with my sister and I take them from time to time when she gets overloaded. In Asian culture children looking after their parents is more the norm. It’s something that’s expected.

Originally Posted by X_ting_on

Biggest crime is not from the housing home. Biggest crime is Canadians are lazy and don’t take care of senior citizen as is the normal obligation those people would have proper care and there aren’t lawsuits.
The real crime is the culture of seniors citizens are tossed to seniors homes

[ST1]

What those countries have in common, is not that they aren’t lazy, it’s because there are no seniors facilities in those kinds of countries, so it’s either look after your parents or get them to the curb.

Originally Posted by suburbia

Virtually all of Asia, all of Africa and all of South and Central America. I'm unclear how North America compares to the EU on this one, but I get the sense that there is a lot of variability on this within the EU. From a population perspective, the Canadian reality is quote the minority from a global context.

All being said, again, there are ways to navigate reasonably based on realities for a particular family, and at some point where extensive support is required, there are appropriate places for the elderly where they will not be isolated and can live in dignity. Many of the places are, however, undignified.

It is interesting however how the above might actually be impacting an ideal urban home and associated built environment. We don't often talk about this, so am thankful someone brought it up.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by ST1

What those countries have in common, is not that they aren’t lazy, it’s because there are no seniors facilities in those kinds of countries, so it’s either look after your parents or get them to the curb.

There is no need to get defensive.

And it is not like these places cannot build more housing centres for their seniors, or choose to not build homes that can accommodate a more diverse set of occupants.

Like I said previously, there are circumstances where this type of thing is required, so it is not about you, but general commentary. How it influences the built environment, or how the built environment influences it.

[Western Spaghetti]

Agreed 100% I see so many elderly people from Asian backgrounds that are in seniors homes, that it's obvious people from those backgrounds don't look after their parents any differently than Canadians. In fact many younger immigrants bring their parents over from those countries so they can put them in a home.

Originally Posted by ST1

Yeah, that’s pretty much bullshit. My grandmother is in a seniors facility and about 1/3 of the residents are Chinese or Indian descent, which is more than the population demographic they make up.

The reason they look after their elders back in China or India, is because there are no more seniors homes. It’s either look after them or boot them to the street.

[Western Spaghetti]

Originally Posted by X_ting_on

Biggest crime is not from the housing home. Biggest crime is Canadians are lazy and don’t take care of senior citizen as is the normal obligation those people would have proper care and there aren’t lawsuits.
The real crime is the culture of seniors citizens are tossed to seniors homes

You couldn't more more wrong.

[Deepstar]

It all comes down to circumstances. Back in Hong Kong it’s not uncommon for parents to live with their children, but from what I’ve seen many of the people who have money put their parents into a home. I think it’s human nature for people to want some space from their parents.

Originally Posted by suburbia

Virtually all of Asia, all of Africa and all of South and Central America. I'm unclear how North America compares to the EU on this one, but I get the sense that there is a lot of variability on this within the EU. From a population perspective, the Canadian reality is quote the minority from a global context.

All being said, again, there are ways to navigate reasonably based on realities for a particular family, and at some point where extensive support is required, there are appropriate places for the elderly where they will not be isolated and can live in dignity. Many of the places are, however, undignified.

It is interesting however how the above might actually be impacting an ideal urban home and associated built environment. We don't often talk about this, so am thankful someone brought it up.

[Deepstar]

Originally Posted by X_ting_on

Biggest crime is not from the housing home. Biggest crime is Canadians are lazy and don’t take care of senior citizen as is the normal obligation those people would have proper care and there aren’t lawsuits.
The real crime is the culture of seniors citizens are tossed to seniors homes

Nothing to do with laziness and more to do with circumstance. Most people from any walk of life or any culture on earth would want to put their parents in a home, just to have some separation from them.

My sister looks after my mother even though my mother has lots of money, and could live in a good home. It was my sisters idea to have my mother live with her..... I suspect part of it may involve free babysitting lol.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Deepstar

My sister looks after my mother even though my mother has lots of money, and could live in a good home. It was my sisters idea to have my mother live with her..... I suspect part of it may involve free babysitting lol.

Many people rent and are basically hand to mouth. After a few years and with housing costs completely out of their control with no increase in asset, they are left to fend for themselves first. I bet your sister owns her own place.

[Xelebes]

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[Bad Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Western Spaghetti

Agreed 100% I see so many elderly people from Asian backgrounds that are in seniors homes, that it's obvious people from those backgrounds don't look after their parents any differently than Canadians. In fact many younger immigrants bring their parents over from those countries so they can put them in a home.

No, the amount of immigrant seniors in homes is very low. Yeah, there are some, but far less than the percentage of immigrant population.

[topdog]

Apparently that ugly old house in Victoria Park burnt down this morning. Someone’s idea of helping to spruce up the Beltline.

[Suburgatory]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

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You missed 180 pages.

[craner]

Originally Posted by topdog

Apparently that ugly old house in Victoria Park burnt down this morning. Someone’s idea of helping to spruce up the Beltline.

The old dilapidated yellow one ?
Finally that eyesore is gone !

[SteveP]

Originally Posted by topdog

Apparently that ugly old house in Victoria Park burnt down this morning. Someone’s idea of helping to spruce up the Beltline.

Good riddance. The Beltline is slightly less of a ghetto this morning. Just need to bulldoze the rest of Victoria Park and the neighbourhood won’t seem half bad.

[Bad Grizzly]

Awesome.

Originally Posted by topdog

Apparently that ugly old house in Victoria Park burnt down this morning. Someone’s idea of helping to spruce up the Beltline.

That’s correct.

Originally Posted by craner

The old dilapidated yellow one ?
Finally that eyesore is gone !

Agreed on both counts.

Originally Posted by SteveP

Good riddance. The Beltline is slightly less of a ghetto this morning. Just need to bulldoze the rest of Victoria Park and the neighbourhood won’t seem half bad.

[sammyd]

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

You missed 180 pages.

only 180?

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Western Spaghetti

You couldn't more more wrong.

"Biggest" is always a trickier word to use, but I think X_thing_on is correct to point this out. It is often something blind to many, including those designing urban utopias. The "biggest" crimes may indeed be in the Beltline where the concept of family is holding on by but a thread.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

Thread has been cleaned up from the past week of off-topic.

Also, remember to use [spoiler] tags when quoting multiple images. Not using the spoiler tags is more likely to piss off other users than it is to promote faithful conversation.

Thanks for your work Xelebes, and in particular your comment regarding image quoting. This thread has quite the image quoting mafia.