Calgary Construction XXVI

[Bad Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

24,887 and counting.

You’re comparing the Beltine to one neighbourhood. He said nobody was choosing the beltline over a neighbourhood LIKE Aspen Woods.

If you compare by the number of neighbourhoods you have the Beltline which equals a count of one against 100 or so suburban neighbourhoods.

Thanks for coming out.

[Suburgatory]

Originally Posted by Bad Grizzly

You’re comparing the Beltine to one neighbourhood. He said nobody was choosing the beltline over a neighbourhood LIKE Aspen Woods.

If you compare by the number of neighbourhoods you have the Beltline which equals a count of one against 100 or so suburban neighbourhoods.

Thanks for coming out.

You’re right but that’s his comment not mine. None of those 24,887 chose Beltline over Aspen Woods. They chose it over many other neighbourhoods first. Aspen Woods didn’t even make it into consideration.

Thanks for not coming.

[topdog]

It's not a fair comparison though. The Beltline is cheaper than most other suburban neighborhoods, especially Aspen Woods.

It's like saying more people like McDonald's or 7-11 food over a Steak dinner because more people are eating there.

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

You’re right but that’s his comment not mine. None of those 24,887 chose Beltline over Aspen Woods. They chose it over many other neighbourhoods first. Aspen Woods didn’t even make it into consideration.

Thanks for not coming.

[Suburgatory]

Originally Posted by topdog

It's not a fair comparison though. The Beltline is cheaper than most other suburban neighborhoods, especially Aspen Woods.

It's like saying more people like McDonald's or 7-11 food over a Steak dinner because more people are eating there.

Please, if you're going to post that at least put in some effort in first.

Here's a 2015 built 600 square foot condo in Aspen Woods. $229,900.
https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/20240...nt-ht-sw-aspen-woods-calgary-aspen-woods

There's nothing in Beltline in a new building anywhere near that low.

Edit: Oh you'll probably bring up renting. Here's the cheapest in both neighbourhoods.

Aspen Woods: $1250/month and 130 sq ft larger https://www.rentfaster.ca/ab/calgary/rentals/aspen-woods/condo/one-bedroom-in-32583

Beltline: $1410 https://www.rentfaster.ca/ab/calgary/rentals/beltline/apartment/fifteen15-318403_4

[topdog]

Buddy you need to put some effort into it as well.

a) The average cost of a dwelling in Aspen Woods is higher the than the Beltline whether it's renting or owning is irrelevant to the argument. The cost to live in Aspen Woods on average is higher end of story.

b) Try using Rentfaster properly. Next time try looking at all properties. I found plenty of apartments (non shared) in the Beltline for under 1K/month, but none in Aspen Woods.

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

Please, if you're going to post that at least put in some effort in first.

Here's a 2015 built 600 square foot condo in Aspen Woods. $229,900.
https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/20240...nt-ht-sw-aspen-woods-calgary-aspen-woods

There's nothing in Beltline in a new building anywhere near that low.

Edit: Oh you'll probably bring up renting. Here's the cheapest in both neighbourhoods.

Aspen Woods: $1250/month and 130 sq ft larger https://www.rentfaster.ca/ab/calgary/rentals/aspen-woods/condo/one-bedroom-in-32583

Beltline: $1410 https://www.rentfaster.ca/ab/calgary/rentals/beltline/apartment/fifteen15-318403_4

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

Well . A brand new suburban neighbourhood grows by 100%.

New York doesn't grow by high percentages each year. It's raw numbers that count.

Wow

LOL! You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to neighborhoods in Calgary or statistics.

[Suburgatory]

Originally Posted by topdog

Buddy you need to put some effort into it as well.

a) The average cost of a dwelling in Aspen Woods is higher the than the Beltline whether it's renting or owning is irrelevant to the argument. The cost to live in Aspen Woods on average is higher end of story.

b) Try using Rentfaster properly. Next time try looking at all properties. I found plenty of apartments (non shared) in the Beltline for under 1K/month, but none in Aspen Woods.

I can’t stop laughing long enough to finish my response

[jc_yyc_ca]

There's not much for rent in Aspen Woods (it's not that kind of neighborhood), so you really need to compare the price of owning.

Aspen Woods - average price - $1,038,000
https://www.repyyc.com/aspen-woods-real-estate.php#realestate-information

Beltline - Average price - $429,000
https://www.repyyc.com/beltline-real-estate.php#realestate-information


The comparison of cost is not even close. Not even in the same hemisphere. I don't even know why you would think to compare the two

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

Please, if you're going to post that at least put in some effort in first.

Here's a 2015 built 600 square foot condo in Aspen Woods. $229,900.
https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/20240...nt-ht-sw-aspen-woods-calgary-aspen-woods

There's nothing in Beltline in a new building anywhere near that low.

Edit: Oh you'll probably bring up renting. Here's the cheapest in both neighbourhoods.

Aspen Woods: $1250/month and 130 sq ft larger https://www.rentfaster.ca/ab/calgary/rentals/aspen-woods/condo/one-bedroom-in-32583

Beltline: $1410 https://www.rentfaster.ca/ab/calgary/rentals/beltline/apartment/fifteen15-318403_4

[speedog]

Originally Posted by suburbia

True. The land value in the inner sprawl is destined to increase as density increases and it gets incorporated into the inner city via that process. Beltline investment is not good because generally it is a condo and does not include land. The specific in-fill examples provided are crap, however, because they are already down to 25' widths that are now RC1 and the primary value of the inner sprawl is lost without full potential having been achieved.

Nothing in Highwood is zoned RC1, the bulk of it is RC2 and most infill parcels in Highwood are 30' in width although there are exceptions like the two homes being built close to us that sit on lots that are 35' in the front, 45' in the rear and 130' deep.

[Bad Grizzly]

The numbers don’t lie and ends that argument. Thanks for posting.

Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

There's not much for rent in Aspen Woods (it's not that kind of neighborhood), so you really need to compare the price of owning.

Aspen Woods - average price - $1,038,000
https://www.repyyc.com/aspen-woods-real-estate.php#realestate-information

Beltline - Average price - $429,000
https://www.repyyc.com/beltline-real-estate.php#realestate-information


The comparison of cost is not even close. Not even in the same hemisphere. I don't even know why you would think to compare the two

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by speedog

Nothing in Highwood is zoned RC1, the bulk of it is RC2 and most infill parcels in Highwood are 30' in width although there are exceptions like the two homes being built close to us that sit on lots that are 35' in the front, 45' in the rear and 130' deep.

So a few comments here that I think support my view that this area is inner sprawl as opposed to suburb.

1) IMHO, virtually zero suburban areas have land valued enough for someone to tear down and build infills / subdivide lots.

2) if the infills are on 30' lots, the intensity of the original developments was worse than I thought.

3) RC2 zoning is nice, but like a sanitary pipe, it actually depends on if you are using it like that or for something else (not that there is anything wrong with that).

In my view, inner sprawl has a high probability over time to becoming inner city. So that is a good thing and means land is more valuable in inner sprawl. That's not going to happen on 38' suburban lots for a century. By calling your area inner sprawl I am actually putting more value to it than being in a suburb, so see it in the positive.

[jc_yyc_ca]

You’re 100% bang on. Inner sprawl is where it’s at, and is the wave of the future for those reasons you’ve mentioned. The core of the city is garbage (for value and quality of life) and is only going to get worse. The suburbs are decent enough but are only going to decline and depreciate relative to the inner sprawl and many (not all) will become ghettos. Ask almost any realtor and they’ll tell you those inner middle ring neighbourhoods are where it’s at. Those are the areas where they put their own money.

Originally Posted by suburbia

So a few comments here that I think support my view that this area is inner sprawl as opposed to suburb.

1) IMHO, virtually zero suburban areas have land valued enough for someone to tear down and build infills / subdivide lots.

2) if the infills are on 30' lots, the intensity of the original developments was worse than I thought.

3) RC2 zoning is nice, but like a sanitary pipe, it actually depends on if you are using it like that or for something else (not that there is anything wrong with that).

In my view, inner sprawl has a high probability over time to becoming inner city. So that is a good thing and means land is more valuable in inner sprawl. That's not going to happen on 38' suburban lots for a century. By calling your area inner sprawl I am actually putting more value to it than being in a suburb, so see it in the positive.

[Suburgatory]

Originally Posted by topdog

Buddy you need to put some effort into it as well.

a) The average cost of a dwelling in Aspen Woods is higher the than the Beltline whether it's renting or owning is irrelevant to the argument. The cost to live in Aspen Woods on average is higher end of story.

b) Try using Rentfaster properly. Next time try looking at all properties. I found plenty of apartments (non shared) in the Beltline for under 1K/month, but none in Aspen Woods.

a) Give me cost/sq ft numbers of equal age and quality builds not average dwelling costs. Of course the average cost is higher in Aspen Woods. They’re brand new 4000 square foot homes.

b) You can’t compare those properties. Older buildings with Lino, melamine cabinets, laminate counters, white appliances, glazed ceramic tile etc. with less to no amenities isn’t a comparable to a 2015 built apartment.

Good effort Buddy.

[Suburgatory]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

LOL! You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to neighborhoods in Calgary or statistics.

Is that so. Please elaborate.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

Is that so. Please elaborate.

See the post you made a minute before this one. You agree with me but change metrics whenever you need to make a point. That's all the elaboration you and the rest of us need.

[Suburgatory]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

See the post you made a minute before this one. You agree with me but change metrics whenever you need to make a point. That's all the elaboration you and the rest of us need.

Ummm. Try again.

You first quoted a post about Beltline population growth.

That post is about cost comparison between neighbourhoods.

Keep up.

[Bad Grizzly]

You need to quit with the strawman arguments abd go back to the beginning. Someone said Aspen Woods was more expensive than the Beltline and that it would be like comparing McDonalds to a steak dinner. Well he was right, no matter how you look at it Aspen Woods is more expensive. At the end of the day you get your bill at a restaurant and the steak dinner is gonna be more expensive just like a dwelling in Aspen Woods is gonna be more expensive. In the end, the only thing you can compare is the bill and most poor people can’t afford the steak dinner, and are forced to go to McDonald’s.

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

a) Give me cost/sq ft numbers of equal age and quality builds not average dwelling costs. Of course the average cost is higher in Aspen Woods. They’re brand new 4000 square foot homes.

b) You can’t compare those properties. Older buildings with Lino, melamine cabinets, laminate counters, white appliances, glazed ceramic tile etc. with less to no amenities isn’t a comparable to a 2015 built apartment.

Good effort Buddy.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

Ummm. Try again.

You first quoted a post about Beltline population growth.

That post is about cost comparison between neighbourhoods.

Keep up.

Dude, we've all lapped you about 10 times now.

[Tobyoby]

Not so fast sunny boy. Its not a strawman argument because nobody defined 'expensive' it can be looked at in different ways. Let's flip the tables. Because the Beltline is more expensive on a square foot basis, it's a case of quality over quantity. Steak is more expensive per ounce than mashed potatoes or gruel. Therefore the Beltline is the steak and Aspen Woods is the gruel.

Originally Posted by Bad Grizzly

You need to quit with the strawman arguments abd go back to the beginning. Someone said Aspen Woods was more expensive than the Beltline and that it would be like comparing McDonalds to a steak dinner. Well he was right, no matter how you look at it Aspen Woods is more expensive. At the end of the day you get your bill at a restaurant and the steak dinner is gonna be more expensive just like a dwelling in Aspen Woods is gonna be more expensive. In the end, the only thing you can compare is the bill and most poor people can’t afford the steak dinner, and are forced to go to McDonald’s.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

Beltline Population: 24,887 (2018)

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/city-releases-2018-census-numbers

I'm not surprised that the Beltline has increased its population by a significant amount, solidifying position #2, with a trajectory that will likely have it take over as the most populous area this year. There are many new units that have gone up. Further, it won't stop because of two reasons. 1.) In-migration usually comes as close to the core as possible, and often requires rentals, which the Beltline is king in, and 2.) markets will push rental prices down, and that will have the desired effect of eating into the massive vacancy rate in the area.

Let me pump the Beltline's tires even more. If we go by the number of people who reside in the Beltline, and not just the people who reside in dwellings, I bet it is already the most populous area in the city, likely sitting near 27,000.