Calgary Construction XXVI - Page 168

topdog · #**3341** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 6:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by dg66

Apparently it does require Wikipedia or a dictionary as some people can't seem to grasp the difference between a literal translation and a coined phrase or euphemism. You might want to look up 'euphemism' in the dictionary.

For your reference.

Cauliflower Ears shown in the picture below do not actually contain cauliflower.

suburbia · #**3342** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 4:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Deepstar

Did you even think about this before posting? Mount Royal, Cliff Bungalow, Sunnyside, Hillhurt, Rosedale, Crescent Heights Mount Pleasant, etc... are all in those supposed inner city ghetto areas. Some of the nicest, most expensive neighborhoods in the city. Not to mention that over 10,000 new residential units have been built in the Beltline since 2000. Those units are new than 80% of the rest of the dwellings in the city.

I never called those ghetto. I called them Inner Sprawl. If a suburb was built with the low density of Mount Royal, there would be virtual mobs protesting here. For it to be on valuable land that "could" be inner city if it wasn't inner sprawl, is a very sad reality indeed. Those areas are absolutely Inner Sprawl.

I agree, however, that the Beltline has areas that are somewhat like a ghetto.

suburbia · #**3343** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 4:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Fatcat loser

Except you're missing a very important point. The reason those prices are what they are, is because there's a demand for those areas.

It is all a factor of what the potential revenue could be:
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39528479

jc_yyc_ca · #**3344** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 4:39 PM**

Those properties aren’t cheap yes that’s true, but from an investment point of view those inner sprawl homes and properties are a good investments. Better than the properties in the burbs or a place like the Beltline. Yeah, the properties out in the suburbs are cheaper, but they will always be cheap. There’s no real potential for growth and appreciation in those kind of neighbourhoods. As for the beltline, well it’s a ghetto so it’s always going to be a hard go.

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Originally Posted by Northern

Excellent examples of why most people choose the suburbs. All of those houses are overpriced crap really. The third house is nice, but I'm sure costs an arm and a leg.

I couldn't find prices for these exact houses posted above, but found some comparable ones in the area of Highwood. The price of having a new home in Inner-sprawl land is very high it seems.

800K for this shoebox

825K for this starter home

700K for a duplex. Yes, and uninspired duplex will cost you that much in Highwood.

suburbia · #**3345** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

Those properties aren’t cheap yes that’s true, but from an investment point of view those inner sprawl homes and properties are a good investments. Better than the properties in the burbs or a place like the Beltline.

True. The land value in the inner sprawl is destined to increase as density increases and it gets incorporated into the inner city via that process. Beltline investment is not good because generally it is a condo and does not include land. The specific in-fill examples provided are crap, however, because they are already down to 25' widths that are now RC1 and the primary value of the inner sprawl is lost without full potential having been achieved.

suburbia · #**3346** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Littlechilds

While I agree there are many areas within the Beltline known by some as "ghetto" (probably majority), there are also many areas booming, or even "gasp"... clean and sought after. I think you'd be surprised on how many millionaires live within certain pockets of this community.

Fully valid. But if you look at the devil's details, those high priced pockets could just as well be elsewhere, and I say that because of the security and isolation infrastructure those have in place. Private elevators with secure lobby access means they do not need to see the "beltline" when the people come in and out, as just one example.

jc_yyc_ca · #**3347** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 5:43 PM**

I wouldn't say the Avenue ranking is biased, just flawed. One year it's some place like Tuscany, another year it's the Beltline. It's universally considered to me flawed or useless.

Regarding the Herald article, I would take anything written by Richard White with a grain of salt. He's a joke.

Agree, the Beltline as a whole isn't a ghetto, but mostly a ghetto.

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Originally Posted by Littlechilds

While I agree there are many areas within the Beltline known by some as "ghetto" (probably majority), there are also many areas booming, or even "gasp"... clean and sought after. I think you'd be surprised on how many millionaires live within certain pockets of this community...I can think of several very desired towers I've recently looked at that were out of my budget.
I won't post the Avenue ranking seeing many think it is quite bias (I may agree with this sentiment), but this article might have a more somewhat balanced perspective that I see on a daily occurrence...

https://calgaryherald.com/life/homes/con...icas-best-hipster-and-nester-communities

BTW...I totally agree with you on the investment potential in communities like Altadore, Crescent Heights, etc, versus the burbs and the Beltline. The burbs and beltline get hammered in any downturn, where my property in Altadore has maintained its price (somewhat lol).

Also, please take this post with a grain of salt. It's just one opinion.

jc_yyc_ca · #**3348** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 5:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

Fully valid. But if you look at the devil's details, those high priced pockets could just as well be elsewhere, and I say that because of the security and isolation infrastructure those have in place. Private elevators with secure lobby access means they do not need to see the "beltline" when the people come in and out, as just one example.

That's exactly true. As long as you're locked away in your highrise tower with a secured door and security cameras you're okay. You can drive in and out of the parkade in a locked car with the windows rolled up, and head straight to the nearest high end store with an underground parkade.
The folks who live in those expensive units aren't really part of the Beltline (and the whole culture of crime and grime that goes with it). They just want to live downtown because they think it makes them cool. I believe it's referred to as a mid-life crisis.

dg66 · #**3349** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 6:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

That's exactly true. As long as you're locked away in your highrise tower with a secured door and security cameras you're okay. You can drive in and out of the parkade in a locked car with the windows rolled up, and head straight to the nearest high end store with an underground parkade.
The folks who live in those expensive units aren't really part of the Beltline (and the whole culture of crime and grime that goes with it). They just want to live downtown because they think it makes them cool. I believe it's referred to as a mid-life crisis.

Anyone with half a brain knows the Beltline is a rough inner city neighborhood and is muc h like a ghetto. It's not up for debate. One only needs to be reminded of all those pics of needles and garbage a while ago, or look at the crime stats.

When it comes to which parts of the city are best, that's also not up for debate. People can post magazine or newspaper articles or whatever, but at the end of the day people vote with their real estate offers. The vast amount of new homes built in the city have been in the suburbs. End of story.

Suburgatory · #**3350** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 6:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by dg66

Anyone with half a brain knows the Beltline is a rough inner city neighborhood and is muc h like a ghetto. It's not up for debate. One only needs to be reminded of all those pics of needles and garbage a while ago, or look at the crime stats.

When it comes to which parts of the city are best, that's also not up for debate. People can post magazine or newspaper articles or whatever, but at the end of the day people vote with their real estate offers. The vast amount of new homes built in the city have been in the suburbs. End of story.

The pics that were exposed as Denver and Vancouver.

Suburgatory · #**3351** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by dg66

Anyone with half a brain knows the Beltline is a rough inner city neighborhood and is muc h like a ghetto. It's not up for debate. One only needs to be reminded of all those pics of needles and garbage a while ago, or look at the crime stats.

When it comes to which parts of the city are best, that's also not up for debate. People can post magazine or newspaper articles or whatever, but at the end of the day people vote with their real estate offers. The vast amount of new homes built in the city have been in the suburbs. End of story.

Because they didn't work hard/smart enough.

dg66 · #**3352** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 6:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Suburgatory

The pics that were exposed as Denver and Vancouver.

Two of the pics were from Denver and Vancouver. The other two were from Calgary. Doesn't matter if it's 10 pics or 1 pic, all it take is one pic of a pile of needles to tell the story.

Northern · #**3353** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Suburgatory

The pics that were exposed as Denver and Vancouver.

Wrong. You can clearly see an ad for Bigfour motors (A local Calgary business) on one of the newspapers under the needles. That proves it was in Calgary. Here's the link to the post with the pic in case you don't believe me.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=8403395&postcount=2843

And there's this gem of story https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ne...ringes-per-day-around-calgary/ar-BBSlAyh

50 needles per day people are finding around the Beltline. Who needs photos when you've got an article to back it up?

thegoodlife · #**3354** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 7:37 PM**

My take on the Beltline is this: It's certainly not my type of neighborhood. I was in the Belltine on Saturday and later that day up in Aspen Woods, and the difference is night and day. IMO, you'd have to be on drugs to want to live in the Beltline. There is nothing appealing about the place, but I suppose everyone has different ideas.

I'm thankful the Beltline is there, and that there are people willing to live there because the rest of the city needs a place for the homeless and junkies, etc.. If people want to be a martyr and live there, I say let them, and I thank them for their sacrifice. It keeps those bad elements away from the rest of the city.

Bad Grizzly · #**3355** Posted **Jan 23, 2019, 10:05 PM**

Those are my thoughts too. The Beltline isn’t a place I’d live, but I’m glad it’s there. Every city needs an undesirable part of town to attract and keep the undesirable elements.

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Originally Posted by thegoodlife

My take on the Beltline is this: It's certainly not my type of neighborhood. I was in the Belltine on Saturday and later that day up in Aspen Woods, and the difference is night and day. IMO, you'd have to be on drugs to want to live in the Beltline. There is nothing appealing about the place, but I suppose everyone has different ideas.

I'm thankful the Beltline is there, and that there are people willing to live there because the rest of the city needs a place for the homeless and junkies, etc.. If people want to be a martyr and live there, I say let them, and I thank them for their sacrifice. It keeps those bad elements away from the rest of the city.

suburbia · #**3356** Posted **Jan 24, 2019, 12:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

Agree, the Beltline as a whole isn't a ghetto, but mostly a ghetto.

suburbia · #**3357** Posted **Jan 24, 2019, 12:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Suburgatory

The pics that were exposed as Denver and Vancouver.

No - the originals were confirmed as Calgary, and then one of the Beltline dwellers posted pics that were immediately caught to be other cities

SteveP · #**3358** Posted **Jan 24, 2019, 1:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bad Grizzly

Those are my thoughts too. The Beltline isn’t a place I’d live, but I’m glad it’s there. Every city needs an undesirable part of town to attract and keep the undesirable elements.

You have a valid point. I suppose we should all be thankful for the Beltline in that regard. I’ve always thiughtbov it as kind if blight on the city, but it helps contain the rift raft to one area.

Suburgatory · #**3359** Posted **Jan 24, 2019, 5:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by Northern

Wrong. You can clearly see an ad for Bigfour motors (A local Calgary business) on one of the newspapers under the needles. That proves it was in Calgary. Here's the link to the post with the pic in case you don't believe me.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=8403395&postcount=2843

And there's this gem of story https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ne...ringes-per-day-around-calgary/ar-BBSlAyh

50 needles per day people are finding around the Beltline. Who needs photos when you've got an article to back it up?

Fake news

Suburgatory · #**3360** Posted **Jan 24, 2019, 5:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by thegoodlife

My take on the Beltline is this: It's certainly not my type of neighborhood. I was in the Belltine on Saturday and later that day up in Aspen Woods, and the difference is night and day. IMO, you'd have to be on drugs to want to live in the Beltline. There is nothing appealing about the place, but I suppose everyone has different ideas.

I'm thankful the Beltline is there, and that there are people willing to live there because the rest of the city needs a place for the homeless and junkies, etc.. If people want to be a martyr and live there, I say let them, and I thank them for their sacrifice. It keeps those bad elements away from the rest of the city.

My take on Aspen Woods is this: It's certainly not my type of neighborhood. I was in Aspen Woods on Saturday and later that day in Beltline, and the difference is night and day. IMO, you'd have to be on drugs to want to live in the Aspen Woods. There is nothing appealing about the place, but I suppose everyone has different ideas.

I'm thankful that Aspen Woods is there, and that there are people willing to live there because the rest of the city needs a place for the beige cookie cutters and boring middle aged crossover soccer moms, etc.. If people want to be a martyr and live there, I say let them, and I thank them for their sacrifice. It keeps those bad elements away from the rest of the city.