Barrhaven LRT | Proposed

[silvergate]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I am not a big fan of sideways seating. I think more susceptible people will be prone to motion sickness with their sight line being outside. Also, it will be more difficult to see where you are going with your back to the windows.

Lots of people around the world have no issue finding where they are going while traveling in a tube underground, with no markers but exposed brick and concrete. How is seeing outside an issue?

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I am not a big fan of sideways seating. I think more susceptible people will be prone to motion sickness with their sight line being outside. Also, it will be more difficult to see where you are going with your back to the windows.

It's ok on a smooth train, but deadly on a bus.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

It's ok on a smooth train, but deadly on a bus.

That’s funny you say that. I usually seek out the sideways facing seats because of my long legs there isn’t enough room for my legs with forward facing seats on transit buses (unless I sit diagonally and take up 2 seats).

[Ottawaresident]

The roads to Barrhaven should be expanded and the LRT better

[danishh]

Originally Posted by Ottawaresident

The roads to Barrhaven should be expanded and the LRT better

so I drive from barrhaven to hull every day and have tried that on the bus too. I'm not convinced this is the case.

Getting people through the greenbelt (on Greenbelt road and Prince of Wales) faster doesn't solve the capacity problems inside the greenbelt.

I think short of grade separating the hunt club road intersections (Greenbank, fallowfield, PoW - merivale is probably impossible), increasing our transit share, and extending LRT to Barrhaven, Barrhaven's commuter traffic should be expected to stay as it is for the foreseeable future.

(keeping in mind I live off of Crestway/PoW) This morning, google took me via Earl Armstrong and the Airport Parkway/Bronson to get to Hull and bypass the winter traffic - took 45 mins.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by danishh

so I drive from barrhaven to hull every day and have tried that on the bus too. I'm not convinced this is the case.

Getting people through the greenbelt (on Greenbelt road and Prince of Wales) faster doesn't solve the capacity problems inside the greenbelt.

I think short of grade separating the hunt club road intersections (Greenbank, fallowfield, PoW - merivale is probably impossible), increasing our transit share, and extending LRT to Barrhaven, Barrhaven's commuter traffic should be expected to stay as it is for the foreseeable future.

(keeping in mind I live off of Crestway/PoW) This morning, google took me via Earl Armstrong and the Airport Parkway/Bronson to get to Hull and bypass the winter traffic - took 45 mins.

As we convert the Transitways to LRT, we are not really improving the transit commute much. This is the flaw in our plans and always has been since the decision was made to convert bus rapid transit to LRT. For the several billion that we are putting into it, we are getting very little benefit. It is really just heading off the downtown congestion issue and that is about it. With the exception of downtown congestion, buses will travel just as fast as trains.

I don't expect this is going to convince many car drivers to switch, simply because we are not getting new improved transit routes over what we had with the busways.

LRT is really about moving people to the rapid transit route, a planning policy, rather than bringing better transit to the people.

Our City Council has failed to understand the shortcomings of what they are doing. Meanwhile, we continue to plan new and better roads all over the city. The end result is we are continuing to encourage more people to drive.

[danishh]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

As we convert the Transitways to LRT, we are not really improving the transit commute much. This is the flaw in our plans and always has been since the decision was made to convert bus rapid transit to LRT. For the several billion that we are putting into it, we are getting very little benefit. It is really just heading off the downtown congestion issue and that is about it.

I don't expect this is not going convince many car drivers to switch, simply because we are not getting new improved transit routes over what we had with the busways.

LRT is really about moving people to the rapid transit route, a planning policy, rather than bringing better transit to the people.

Our City Council has failed to understand the shortcomings of what they are doing. Meanwhile, we continue to plan new and better roads all over the city. The end result is we are continuing to encourage more people to drive.

yeah, at least until phase 2 is built out we've actually made moves to decrease the transit modal share because of the transfer penalty.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Ottawaresident

The roads to Barrhaven should be expanded and the LRT better

You can expand roads, or you can improve transit.

You can't do both.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by danishh

yeah, at least until phase 2 is built out we've actually made moves to decrease the transit modal share because of the transfer penalty.

I even question that since buses generally can move down the transitways just as fast. The main benefit is eliminating downtown congestion which will be accomplished with Phase 1.

More people will be within walking distance of Phase 2 but not a whole lot more. Everybody else will still have to transfer. If you are like me, beyond walking distance of any phase of LRT, while suburban roads continue to be built and improved, the attraction of driving over transit continues to become greater.

We are not seeing improvements in transit outside the LRT corridor and as I have said, those improvements are marginal.

[Ottawaresident]

Originally Posted by danishh

(keeping in mind I live off of Crestway/PoW) This morning, google took me via Earl Armstrong and the Airport Parkway/Bronson to get to Hull and bypass the winter traffic - took 45 mins.

Yes. The traffic is just horrific. The 2013 crash only showed that more overpasses and underpasses are needed, as well as better transit. The route 76 was retired and replaced by 72. There was a photo of a 72 under a rail guard thingy.

[Allandale25]

Update

https://twitter.com/MacLeodLisa/stat...61808756686850

[CityTech]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I even question that since buses generally can move down the transitways just as fast. The main benefit is eliminating downtown congestion which will be accomplished with Phase 1.

More people will be within walking distance of Phase 2 but not a whole lot more. Everybody else will still have to transfer. If you are like me, beyond walking distance of any phase of LRT, while suburban roads continue to be built and improved, the attraction of driving over transit continues to become greater.

We are not seeing improvements in transit outside the LRT corridor and as I have said, those improvements are marginal.

The Confederation Line should just be a single line from Blair to Baseline. The Bayshore/Moodie spur and the extension to Orleans are unnecessary and offer no real improvement over Transitway service. Instead of spending money on those, we should build more BRT lines like the one we're supposed to be getting on Baseline; maybe put similar lines on Merivale, Carling, and Saint Laurent.

[J.OT13]

I don't understand what this is about. That hasn't been done yet? We're weeks away form awarding Stage 2 to Moodie.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by danishh

(keeping in mind I live off of Crestway/PoW) This morning, google took me via Earl Armstrong and the Airport Parkway/Bronson to get to Hull and bypass the winter traffic - took 45 mins.

45 minutes actually seems pretty reasonable from Barrhaven to Hull on a morning like this where we had 10cm of freshly fallen (and still falling) snow.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

45 minutes actually seems pretty reasonable from Barrhaven to Hull on a morning like this where we had 10cm of freshly fallen (and still falling) snow.

You are right. I was just at my dentist and the hygenist told me that it took her 2 hours to drive from Barrhaven to Alta Vista this morning. The 45 minutes seems exceptional under the circumstances. My much shorter commute was almost that long.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by CityTech

The Confederation Line should just be a single line from Blair to Baseline. The Bayshore/Moodie spur and the extension to Orleans are unnecessary and offer no real improvement over Transitway service. Instead of spending money on those, we should build more BRT lines like the one we're supposed to be getting on Baseline; maybe put similar lines on Merivale, Carling, and Saint Laurent.

You can tell the politicians are doing the planning. The wrong questions are being asked.

It should be:
How much faster will rider trips be?
How many new customers might we gain?
How much will it cost?

Instead it is:
How many customers are affected?
How much can we save?



How much will it cost?





How many new customers will we gain?








How much faster will trips be, if any? It doesn't really matter, does it?

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I don't understand what this is about. That hasn't been done yet? We're weeks away form awarding Stage 2 to Moodie.

Yeah sounds like nothing at all. Just a couple of politicians trying to score some political points on people with short attention span.

[Allandale25]

Originally Posted by Allandale25

Update

https://twitter.com/MacLeodLisa/stat...61808756686850

I'm not from Ottawa so I'm not sure what EA Lisa is talking about in this tweet. Can someone point out on this map where this will go?

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by Allandale25

I'm not from Ottawa so I'm not sure what EA Lisa is talking about in this tweet. Can someone point out on this map where this will go?

Its the furthest west red link, between Bayshore Station and Moodie Station. The original Stage 2 EA ended at Bayshore Station, so they needed to conduct a separate additional EA once it was decided that Stage 2's extension of the Confederation Line would be extended one stop to Moodie Station. This additional EA was basically a formality.

[Multi-modal]

I feel like this post by Mayor Watson is more relevant to the topic of the thread:

https://twitter.com/JimWatsonOttawa/...57004672180225

Great to hear from @RodPhillips01 that he has approved our EA for LRT to Kanata and Stittsville! Now conducting the EA for Barrhaven! Thanks @MacLeodLisa and Rod !