YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 698

osirisboy · #**13941** Posted **Jan 13, 2019, 2:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i noticed the YVR outlet mall expansion is coming along quite fast. i am surprised they'll be fitting 35 stores in it though.

I was there last week. It was packed. I'm surprised they didn't do the full expansion they originally wanted to do

nname · #**13942** Posted **Jan 13, 2019, 8:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by CareerShow

Great chart, just wondering what the "Flight Number" statistic tells us vs the "unique route" statistic?

AC 100 YVR-YYZ
AC 102 YVR-YYZ

That's 2 flights, 1 route... Can't think of a better name

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I hate to nit pic but pretty sure YYC will still have 14 weekly 763s next summer (AC9/10 daily both ways).
His list does indicate further that AC is slowly winding back at YYC.

Hmm... I only count the frequency based on flights... Maybe I should somehow change my formula to take in account of intermediate points.

I guess in this case, the frequency for YVR, YYC, YUL should all increase by 7 for S18 and S19; YEG need to also increase by 7 for S18 only.

I was thinking of counting frequency based on destination region... but then I don't want to maintain a list of all airport code...

thenoflyzone · #**13943** Posted **Jan 13, 2019, 5:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Closer to home:
- Copa should happen, I think they can fill in the YVR-South America void no one seems willing to jump on.

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Originally Posted by nname

COPA cannot add more frequency to Canada. The bilateral with Panama is maxed out.

Besides the bilateral restrictions, the Max-8 and Max 9 still dont have the legs for unrestricted PTY-YVR ops.

Copa's 2018 investor presentation (p.40) clearly illustrates this.

https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/9d71c0c5-ceb9-4a51-9350-eb35a10cfb18

SEA has better chances of seeing Copa than YVR. They even took the time to add it in that graph.

Johnny Aussie · #**13944** Posted **Jan 13, 2019, 7:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Hmm... I only count the frequency based on flights... Maybe I should somehow change my formula to take in account of intermediate points.

I guess in this case, the frequency for YVR, YYC, YUL should all increase by 7 for S18 and S19; YEG need to also increase by 7 for S18 only.

I was thinking of counting frequency based on destination region... but then I don't want to maintain a list of all airport code...

I think you should change the formula.

Eg
AC 33 YYZ-YVR-SYD
AC 34 SYD-YVR-YYZ

This should count for 14 77L weekly frequencies departing YVR.

Same for AC9/10 for YYC on 763s as I mentioned earlier.
Also, YYC you have 14 weekly for rouge? I know LAS is one daily rouge? Is there another route out of YYC still rouge?

And I’m back Downunder! EVA Air such a great airline! Very mild in Vancouver this trip. Only one day it dropped below zero overnight.

nname · #**13945** Posted **Jan 14, 2019, 5:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Also, YYC you have 14 weekly for rouge? I know LAS is one daily rouge? Is there another route out of YYC still rouge?

And I’m back Downunder! EVA Air such a great airline! Very mild in Vancouver this trip. Only one day it dropped below zero overnight.

AC 1692 YYC-YHZ

And it's funny that most people love BR, but my family and most of the Taiwanese friends I know avoid BR (and even more so, CI) like plague. Too many horror stories from that airline.

Johnny Aussie · #**13946** Posted **Jan 14, 2019, 7:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

AC 1692 YYC-YHZ

And it's funny that most people love BR, but my family and most of the Taiwanese friends I know avoid BR (and even more so, CI) like plague. Too many horror stories from that airline.

Of course I forgot the YHZ route!

Yeah I know... Everbody has different preferences. I’m a huge SQ fan but would say BR’s prem economy is better than their’s.... 4 of my flights in BR prem economy were excellent. BR’s economy was very good too... never flown their J class.

whatnext · #**13947** Posted **Jan 14, 2019, 9:05 PM**

Air Canada extends deal with Jazz Aviation (Chorus) to provide regional service through 2035. Dammit, I knew I should have bought more Chorus Aviation shares when they were in the $5.60 range around Christmas!

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/air-cana...h-jazz-aviation-deal-extension-1.4252771

nname · #**13948** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 1:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I think you should change the formula.

Done

And I've added the frequency by region. Hopefully I got all the airport codes correct

Johnny Aussie · #**13949** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 3:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Done

And I've added the frequency by region. Hopefully I got all the airport codes correct

Again... well done. Definitely shows how big YVR has become as an AC mainline operation and the second largest base overall too.

Hmmmmm how about by capacity!

Ok I know I’m pushing it

nname · #**13950** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 4:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Again... well done. Definitely shows how big YVR has become as an AC mainline operation and the second largest base overall too.

Hmmmmm how about by capacity!

Ok I know I’m pushing it

Well, AC does not use different aircraft code to distinguish different config for 77W and 333... so that's not really doable.

Johnny Aussie · #**13951** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 4:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Well, AC does not use different aircraft code to distinguish different config for 77W and 333... so that's not really doable.

Good point! I was just being cheeky anyway.

Looks like AC is starting to update their winter 2019/20 scheds.

nname · #**13952** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 10:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looks like AC is starting to update their winter 2019/20 scheds.

Nothing really changed for YVR.. for both S19 and W19 update.

It's still too early for W19 I suppose...

thenoflyzone · #**13953** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 2:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Again... well done. Definitely shows how big YVR has become as an AC mainline operation and the second largest base overall too.

10 years ago, YVR was comfortably second largest base. That's no longer the case. nname's "weekly frequency" numbers clearly illustrate that the gap between YVR and YUL has narrowed significantly.

YUL is already second in terms of number of destinations, by a wide margin. Peak daily flight numbers (departures) also belongs to YUL as there is surely 1 day of the week where all those flight numbers operate. All that is left is for the overall weekly frequency to creep up a bit more, to pass YVR. This will eventually happen. YVR is still ahead in that department due to 1 thing. Props. Look at the number of prop flights/week. 530. That's the highest of all of AC's bases. Short intra-BC flights (467 weekly), with a lot of frequency.

The PRIME beneficiary of AC's recent expansion has been YUL. AC's words, not mine. Hence the gap narrowing. Let's see what the next 5-10 years will do.

p.51-52-53

https://www.aircanada.com/content/dam/ai...resentations/en/2018_presentation_en.pdf

ww2g · #**13954** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 4:13 PM**

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ww2g · #**13955** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 4:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

10 years ago, YVR was comfortably second largest base. That's no longer the case. nname's "weekly frequency" numbers clearly illustrate that the gap between YVR and YUL has narrowed significantly.

YUL is already second in terms of number of destinations, by a wide margin. Peak daily flight numbers (departures) also belongs to YUL as there is surely 1 day of the week where all those flight numbers operate. All that is left is for the overall weekly frequency to creep up a bit more, to pass YVR. This will eventually happen. YVR is still ahead in that department due to 1 thing. Props. Look at the number of prop flights/week. 530. That's the highest of all of AC's bases. Short intra-BC flights (467 weekly), with a lot of frequency.

The PRIME beneficiary of AC's recent expansion has been YUL. AC's words, not mine. Hence the gap narrowing. Let's see what the next 5-10 years will do.

p.51-52-53

https://www.aircanada.com/content/dam/ai...resentations/en/2018_presentation_en.pdf

I've been reading the forum for a while and I always wondered why does @thenoflyzone always feel the need to bring down other airports in comparison to YUL.

In your previous intervention, you are just stating facts and that's totally fine! However, Johnny Aussie is correct when he said the YVR is AC's second largest base. He didn't say that YVR was "by far" AC's second largest base unlike what you seem to be trying to point out. Neither has anyone asked or said anything about where AC has most expanded in the past years. So, why do you feel the need to pick on the smallest little details to try and prove yourself right?

You've had a lot of interesting inputs and scoops about YUL, and I am convinced a lot of us appreciate that. Don't get me wrong, I love YUL mainly because it is my local airport. It's nice to read and see how well it has been expanding in the past few years.

However, I just don't understand why you always feel the need to diminish the importance and progression of other Canadian airports, in favour of YUL, especially on their own thread.

osirisboy · #**13956** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 5:11 PM**

Yeah it's weird. Even if it went the other way and he propped up yvr by bringing up yul it's still odd. Lol

nname · #**13957** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 5:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

10 years ago, YVR was comfortably second largest base. That's no longer the case. nname's "weekly frequency" numbers clearly illustrate that the gap between YVR and YUL has narrowed significantly.

Really??

Summer schedule from ~10 years ago, YUL's schedule is one whole column longer than YVR's:

YUL:

YVR:

Johnny Aussie · #**13958** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 6:30 PM**

I feel like a broken record but nname thanks again... this time for posting the YVR sched for 10 years ago.

Fascinating seeing how much smaller YVR overseas ops were and the equipment used:

Only one daily to Europe (daily 77W to LHR)
Only one daily to South Pacific (daily 77L to SYD)
Only five daily to Asia of which: two were on 763s (PVG and ICN), NRT was a daily 333, PEK and HKG were daily 77Ws.

Definitely shows how AC at YVR has come a long way in the last 10 years.

7 longhaul destinations in 2009
16 longhaul destinations in 2019

And look at transborder.... direct flights to only 10 destinations on MUCH smaller equipment - SFO and LAX were all E90s and only 4 daily each..... and EWR was a 319. LAS was also just a single daily E90 and SEA and PDX were on DH3s.

Huge gains in number of intl destinations, frequencies and capacity in the past 10 years.

And.... YVR-YYZ only had 4 widebodies per day back then... 2 763s, a single 333 and a single 77L.

YVR has become mainline widebody city! Second to YYZ of course... but about 60% of YYZ’s total... which is pretty impressive.
7 777s and over 10 789s per day.
Back in 2009 YVR had about 11-12 widebodies per day... Summer 2019 will be over 23... so about double.

thenoflyzone · #**13959** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 6:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Really??

Summer schedule from ~10 years ago, YUL's schedule is one whole column longer than YVR's:

One additional column doesn't make that much of a difference. It's what is written in the columns. The reason YUL has 1 more column is because it has more destinations, and writing the names of those destinations takes up more space. Doesn't mean it has more frequencies.

I'm sure if you count the overall frequencies, YVR's is larger, and was far larger back then than just 29 weekly frequencies (1345-1316). That is all I am trying to say.

(P.S. nname, could you reduce the size of those timetables.....)

lubicon · #**13960** Posted **Jan 15, 2019, 8:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Air Canada extends deal with Jazz Aviation (Chorus) to provide regional service through 2035. Dammit, I knew I should have bought more Chorus Aviation shares when they were in the $5.60 range around Christmas!

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/air-cana...h-jazz-aviation-deal-extension-1.4252771

Will be interesting to see what they do with their Dash 8-100's. Those are getting pretty long in the tooth but there are not really any new alternatives out there that I am aware of.