San Francisco Is Suffering From The Excesses Of Its Own Liberalism

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Leftist elitist cities build all the super capitalist mega towers, while sunbelt suburbs sprawl across low land value areas.

Hmm.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by TexasPlaya

My point was “urbanism” inspires more left leaning views, despite skyscrapers being a capitalist endeavor. Perhaps that’s because living closer together does that.

I think thats absolutely true. I am as conservative as they come but live in an urban area. I deal with urban issues including things rural people usually never see, like homelessness. Pollution is more important to me too.

When I go to Arkansas to visit family the overarching theme seems to be LEAVE ME ALONE. From driving everywhere(and gawking at people walking), large lots, homes out in the country, to usually not associating with people who you do not know. People keep to themselves and are usually quiet in public. Here in Norfolk its quite different.

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Originally Posted by Vlajos

Europe had long before outlawed slavery, the US was established with it being legal. Also, 150 is barely a blip in human history. The US was the last country other than Brazil to outlaw it. It's a pretty bad history to me. And the racial aspect makes it even worse.

I can't stand all the adoration for "Founding Fathers" that instituted the system.

They may have abolished it, but they had no problem with capturing/trading for them and shipping them.

You want nasty history, look up Belgium or the Netherlands.

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Originally Posted by jtown,man

I see that millennials love capitalism more than any other generation. They buy more —, think paying 25 dollars for chicken and waffles at a hipster restaurant is rational along with a 14 dollar cocktail, and think traveling is somehow a 'right' and they need to travel as much as possible to fill their Instagram feeds.

No, young people may pretend they don't like capitalism, but they really are the product of capitalism in so many ways...

That’s just consumerism. State companies could easily provide that —.

I mean since a lot comes from China, they do. Just the wrong state.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by TexasPlaya

It’s slavery + Jim Crow in the South and just plain racism in the north (the north needed the national guard to enforce desegregation) . There are still many folks who remember what fountain they were drinking out of. That type of hate/prejudice doesn’t disappear after a generation or two.

I don't disagree with that assessment at all. However, I think when people start talking about slavery they need to keep some things in mind:

1. Almost every country practiced slavery.
2. It has been gone now for 8 generations.
3. Historical context is important.
4. European society were the first on Earth to abolish slavery over a large area. The fact that this all happened within about 60 years in the thousands of years of slavery is very interesting. However, instead of being credited for ending slavery, Europeans are bashed(and by extension, the Americas). When in reality the study on why Europeans began to end slavery at the time they did should be taught in every high school. Thats the part of history that should stun people, not the fact that we had slavery, that was to be expected.
5. If our former slaves cannot integrate into society than how did other slave populations do that?

That last part is the one I think we could have some debate over, the other three are pretty set in stone for me. Slavery is the most interesting thing in history for me, people thought they could own someone's life, for life. Its incredibly fascinating and horrific in our modern view.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by Leveled

That’s just consumerism. State companies could easily provide that —.

I mean since a lot comes from China, they do. Just the wrong state.

I don't know if a state bureaucrat could convince consumers to spend 25 dollars on something that's worth 6 bucks. Unless of course, you want to follow the Soviet example and just provide zero alternatives.

And if China wants to put their money into businesses that sell to the USA for a huge discount, good for them. Their wasted money is our win, we get things we want cheaper.

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So you are totally against trump. Put that in your signature please, so we know.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by Leveled

So you are totally against trump. Put that in your signature please, so we know.

You seem like an average partisan political voter based on what little you have said in this forum.

No one said I was "totally for Trump" or against him. And even if I was 100 percent against his trade policies, that doesnt mean I am totally against him in totality or need an "Impeach Trump" signature.

[James Bond Agent 007]

Enough.