San Francisco Is Suffering From The Excesses Of Its Own Liberalism

[JManc]

Originally Posted by JoeMusashi

You can sugar coat all you want but they are really no different. Both are tribal, aren’t really inclusive, are too obsessed with the past, and a breeding ground for anger. We are nearly twenty years into the 21st century. Trying to relive or compare the present to 50 years ago is unhealthy.

A melting pot is more inclusive and allows everyone to fit in better. Cultural differences can still exist but they are less important than a national identity.

Wut? Black pride is analogous to Irish pride, not white pride. White pride is a rebuke of non-whites. Tribalism as you aptly call them all isnt going anywhere. It's what makes Steelers' fans so obnoxious.

[The North One]

This post should have been closed a few days after it's conception. It was created for thinly veiled political diatribe, look at the OP. Nothing to do with city discussion.

[JoeMusashi]

Originally Posted by JManc

Wut? Black pride is analogous to Irish pride, not white pride. White pride is a rebuke of non-whites. Tribalism as you aptly call them all isnt going anywhere. It's what makes Steelers' fans so obnoxious.

Ireland is a nation. Black is a skin color emanating from a diverse continent of a billion people. I don't see the point in celebrating race when you can celebrate the nation that was home to black people before most Americans. This is more special and unique.

African-Americans are the most influential and powerful black skinned people in human history. They have the most opportunity of any black people in human history. They can downplay Obama all they want but white-Americans handed the levers of power and a phone that can end the world to a black person. I think that is special and worth celebrating more than narrow aspects of American history.

[JoeMusashi]

Originally Posted by Segun

1st thing. I don't sugarcoat. I throw salt and sulfuric acid if need be. Are you stupid?

Are you stupid Joe Musashi?

Are.You.That.Stupid?

Black Panther (A movie celebrating Black Pride, inclusive enough to be a top 5 Worldwide box office earner mind you) vs a White Pride movie. Last White Pride movie I could think of was Birth of a Nation.

Are you that stupid Joe Musashi?

Do a google image search for "White Pride" and then "Black Pride".....

A few Swastikas here and there for White Pride. Whats the body count for people murdered under the —? Several million

I guess you could say the Black fist is the equivalent under your stupid logic.

Whats the body count for people murdered under the Black fist logo?.......several dozen maybe...

Are you that stupid?

Maybe Black Pride doesn't seem inclusive to YOU because it scares you. Lord, those Black folks taking pride in themselves?....run run run!!!!!

For arguments sake, Birth of a Nation is considered one of the most influential movies of all time. Not that anyone alive today has ever seen it or cares about it besides film buffs and historians.

Black Panther was a successful movie but I take umbrage to the marketing of it. Hollywood is reinventing the wheel to sell movies to a black audience to make money. It is insulting to some of us that grew up in an era where Eddie Murphy, Whoopi Goldberg, Will Smith, Denzel Washington, Martin Lawrence, Chris Rock, Morgan Freeman, Samuel L Jackson, James Earl Jones, Laurence Fishburne, Bill Cosby, Wesley Snipes, Cuba Gooding Jr., Halle Berry, Oprah, Chris Tucker, and Queen Latifah were amongst the biggest stars in Hollywood.

There was never any shortage of black stars in entertainment. Black Panther means nothing to me when Blade literally birthed the superhero movie craze.

Comparing body counts is meaningless. Both ideologies are wrong and have no place in the 21st century. Obsession with race is a slippery slope that leads to dark places like anger, bitterness, and isolation. It is one thing to study your history and another to base your politics around it.

[JManc]

Irish American/ African American. They are ethnic groups. Subcultures of American culture. Most Americans indentify with something beyond just simply being an American. Why deny Segun as being something when whites have been doing it all along?

[JoeMusashi]

Originally Posted by JManc

Irish American/ African American. They are ethnic groups. Subcultures of American culture. Most Americans indentify with something beyond just simply being an American. Why deny Segun as being something when whites have been doing it all along?

I don't know how many Irish-Americans actually take their ethnic heritage that seriously outside St. Patrick's Day, liking Notre Dame, visiting the country and things like that. It is a fun little thing to separate yourself from your white peers ethnic heritage but I don't think many would put their Irishness above being an American. In the past maybe but today?

The vast majority of white people are Americans and Americans only. Most of us are too disconnected and bred out from the old country. We have nothing else to be but Americans and the same applies to black people.

[twinpeaks]

Originally Posted by The North One

This post should have been closed a few days after it's conception. It was created for thinly veiled political diatribe, look at the OP. Nothing to do with city discussion.

I agree, this thread was created to incite political bias and hate. It needs to be removed.

[Segun]

Originally Posted by JoeMusashi

The vast majority of white people are Americans and Americans only. Most of us are too disconnected and bred out from the old country. We have nothing else to be but Americans and the same applies to black people.

Man —.

[Segun]

Originally Posted by JoeMusashi

Obsession with race is a slippery slope that leads to dark places like anger, bitterness, and isolation.

Like the families, crowds, foods and music at the African Festival of the Arts in Chicago?

http://www.thevisualist.org/2017/09/28th-annual-african-festival-of-the-arts/

I'm thinking you don't get out much (shhhh there's White people in the picture).

[JManc]

Because the Irish even with the — they had to deal with when they got here were able to assimilate fairly quicklly. For obvious reasons. Irish Americans have the luxury of knowing they are fully integrated into country's majority groups. No need to hang onto strong indentities to assert themselves. If and when the division between black and white america goes away and they too integrate, you'll probably see less 'black pride' as well.

[Segun]

^ You'll still see it, it will be with less knee-jerk, triggered reactions by whiny conservatives about it. It might even have more than a few nonwhite patrons. If White people hold on this outdated idea that Black Pride events have some sort of "kill whitey" motive to them, then it won't. It probably won't be called "Black Pride" outright, but the overall theme will be the same. Look at the Afropunk fest in Brooklyn for example, which also receives its fair share of White patrons.

http://afropunkfest.com/brooklyn/

[SIGSEGV]

Is the African Festival of the Arts always in Washington Park? I should stop by sometime...

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

^^^Yes, blacks have been a part of American society and culture for a long time, since the US was born, and yes, they are just as American as whites.

BUT, the point some of you seem to be missing, is that they have also been and continue to be discriminated against, racially-profiled, etc. Something is definitely wrong with our society if non-blacks are calling the cops because they see black people barbecuing in a public park, or sitting in a Starbucks without having ordered anything yet, or selling candy in front of a condominium, or just walking through a white neighborhood, etc.

Yeah, they're just as American as the next person, but why aren't they treated like every other American in a lot of places? Diga me that.

Those are isolated incidents that made national news. Not saying it doesn't happen more than that, but the fact it made national news should say something.

Black people are better off in the western world than any other place on Earth. Period. Let me say that again, black people are better off in the western world than anywhere else on Earth. And no, I don't mean..." well they have a — life here, but its worse in other places." I literally mean their lives, taken as a whole, is good and better than anywhere else.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by twinpeaks

I agree, this thread was created to incite political bias and hate. It needs to be removed.

Its funny political bias and hate are only mentioned if something conservative is mentioned on here... And the call to action is always SHUT IT DOWN or REMOVE it...

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by edale

I guess like climate change, much of the world knows something that many Americans refuse to believe. White Americans literally wrote into constitution that Black people only counted as 3/5 of a person. White Americans decided for years where Black people could and could not live, go to school, eat, swim, etc. The land of freedom and liberty was only free and accessible to some people for the majority of this country's existence. Even today, if you look at incarceration rates and any number of health statistics, one could argue the founding principles of this country still are not equally available to all people, especially Black Americans who, as you note, have been integral to the building of this nation from the start.

Look I get it, your talking about institutions of power holding down an entire race, which is evil, but that punctuates the fact that not even oppression was able to stop the influence Blacks have had on this country in virtually every aspect of who we are as Americans since the beginning.

What is the famous quote... "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice"

[Segun]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Is the African Festival of the Arts always in Washington Park? I should stop by sometime...

Yeah, it's in Washington Park. Labor Day Weekend.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by JoeMusashi

It is a fun little thing to separate yourself from your white peers ethnic heritage but I don't think many would put their Irishness above being an American..

i DEFINITELY put my Chicagoness way above being american.

i am a chicagoan first and foremost. i am only american because i have to be.

this is the only flag i salute:


source: http://www.architecture.org/learn/resources/architecture-dictionary/entry/the-chicago-flag/

[Jonesy55]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Those are isolated incidents that made national news. Not saying it doesn't happen more than that, but the fact it made national news should say something.

Black people are better off in the western world than any other place on Earth. Period. Let me say that again, black people are better off in the western world than anywhere else on Earth. And no, I don't mean..." well they have a — life here, but its worse in other places." I literally mean their lives, taken as a whole, is good and better than anywhere else.

Why should their lives be compared to somebody living in Democratic Republic of Congo!? If they are citizens of the US or another Western country and their ancestors have been there for decades if not centuries then how is that relevant?

Surely the important thing is how they are treated compared with other citizens of those countries?

[chrisvfr800i]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Its funny political bias and hate are only mentioned if something conservative is mentioned on here... And the call to action is always SHUT IT DOWN or REMOVE it...

It's odd to see so much overt leftism (or worse) on a web site supposedly dedicated to the uniquely capitalistic practice of building skyscrapers. (Skyscraperpage.com, right???)
One can only hold out hope that some of the sicker people that post here have no real ability to impact the world beyond their bubble.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by chrisvfr800i

It's odd to see so much overt leftism (or worse) on a web site supposedly dedicated to the uniquely capitalistic practice of building skyscrapers. (Skyscraperpage.com, right???)
One can only hold out hope that some of the sicker people that post here have no real ability to impact the world beyond their bubble.

Why is it odd? Urban centers lean left, worldwide.

There is nothing "uniquely capitalistic" about skscrapers, BTW. More often than not, signature skyscrapers are built for reasons other than demand, while run-of-the-mill residential highrises are rarely purely market rate in top-tier cities.