San Francisco Is Suffering From The Excesses Of Its Own Liberalism

[Leveled]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

See, the common denominator here is CRIME.

Unchecked crime is what scares people away, not necessarily poor conditions.

I was just in Pakistan 2 months ago and was floored by how, even in areas that are drastically poorer than comparable places in the US (about 124 Pakistani Rupees to the US Dollar at that time), there is new construction everywhere. 2-3, perhaps 4 level, masonry commercial buildings going up to support small rows of family owned shops. Everywhere.

This level of construction everywhere would be wonderful to see in, say, parts of the south side of Chicago. But it ain't happening, and I'm betting it's due to uncontrolled crime and gangs.

Eh idk about that. How much of that is from Chinese bribery?

[Leveled]

Originally Posted by Segun

Nah.

The idea of a "melting pot" is flawed. Would you take 5 different dishes on a platter and melt them together in order to create something "better"?

I suppose some White people want all nonwhite cultures to "melt" into a big pot called "White Culture". That's true White supremacy. The Whiteright or Rightwhite in 2018 likes to act like whiny, know-it-all children, putting on a fake MLK mask in attempts to hide their true intention. I'm still waiting for a White pride movement that doesn't have some racist intention or affiliation.

I'll keep waiting.

Lets compare the definitions of White pride vs Black pride (Via Wikipedia):

White pride:

White pride or — is an expression primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints

Black pride:

Black pride is a movement in response to dominant white cultures and ideologies that encourages black people to celebrate black culture and embrace their African heritage. In the United States, it was a direct response to white racism especially during the Civil Rights Movement.

There's no comparison.

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*I'm predicting some sort of comment along the lines of "Wikipedia is funded by the left, Hillary, Askenazi Jews, MK Ultra, etc......I've heard the rhetoric from your tribe countless times. The angry, proud, White computer nerd who thinks he/she is a revolutionary. Watched too many espionage movies growing up:

"The evil _____ at the top are pitting Blacks, SJW's (or whatever coded acronym you use now), Cucks, Jews, against their own self-interest (which is funny in of itself how non-Black people can know what the best self-interest is for Black people).......You brainwashed sheep! Drones! Obama! Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!"

GTFOH with that jibba jabba Tin Foil Mafia

I certainly don't speak for all Black people, but I'm 100% more qualified to speak for Black people than someone not Black. At least I'd like to think so!

Do you know the term hotep?

[Segun]

Originally Posted by Leveled

Do you know the term hotep?

I'm from Chicago and I'm Black

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[JoeMusashi]

Originally Posted by Segun

Nah.

The idea of a "melting pot" is flawed. Would you take 5 different dishes on a platter and melt them together in order to create something "better"?

I suppose some White people want all nonwhite cultures to "melt" into a big pot called "White Culture". That's true White supremacy. The Whiteright or Rightwhite in 2018 likes to act like whiny, know-it-all children, putting on a fake MLK mask in attempts to hide their true intention. I'm still waiting for a White pride movement that doesn't have some racist intention or affiliation.

I'll keep waiting.

Lets compare the definitions of White pride vs Black pride (Via Wikipedia):

White pride:

White pride or — is an expression primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints

Black pride:

Black pride is a movement in response to dominant white cultures and ideologies that encourages black people to celebrate black culture and embrace their African heritage. In the United States, it was a direct response to white racism especially during the Civil Rights Movement.

There's no comparison.

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*I'm predicting some sort of comment along the lines of "Wikipedia is funded by the left, Hillary, Askenazi Jews, MK Ultra, etc......I've heard the rhetoric from your tribe countless times. The angry, proud, White computer nerd who thinks he/she is a revolutionary. Watched too many espionage movies growing up:

"The evil _____ at the top are pitting Blacks, SJW's (or whatever coded acronym you use now), Cucks, Jews, against their own self-interest (which is funny in of itself how non-Black people can know what the best self-interest is for Black people).......You brainwashed sheep! Drones! Obama! Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!"

GTFOH with that jibba jabba Tin Foil Mafia

I certainly don't speak for all Black people, but I'm 100% more qualified to speak for Black people than someone not Black. At least I'd like to think so!

You are mistaking white pride for what in actuality is American patriotism. Or pan-Western nationalism, which in my opinion is the motivator for the modern right-wing NOT race. Black people (as well as Hispanic and Asian-Americans) are included in this as fellow conquerors of the New World (and later the Old World), apart of Christendom, key players in the cultural output that put American culture ahead of all peers, and key players in the dividing point in our history that determined the future.

People are proud of this, as well as the achievements of their ancestors/cousins in all of Western Civilization. Of course, these achievements are largely white but that isn't the reason for this pride. The modern ideological battle isn't about race rather culture. The rivals of the past were white and Asian Communists both at home and abroad. Today, this alt-right is driven more by Eastern influences encroaching on Western Civilization. Islam and China are the threats to the right in America and Europe as well as the encroaching threat of globalism. In short, black people don't factor much into these concerns other than voting.

Black pride movements may have emerged for good reason but today they are just as divisive as white pride movements. Black pride is simply not inclusive, so much so that it is alienating many on the left. It's also racist, as it frequently accuses white people of things they had nothing to do with.

We feel that all of American History is YOUR history, good and bad. And vice versa. Denying yourself this to subscribe to pan-black nationalism isn't helping anyone. More so in a future where white and black people, the two main players in American history, must share the spotlight with Hispanic and Asians. Those groups are assimilating and will be just as alienated from a black pride movement that will never include them.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

What you don't realize is that mainstream American Culture is Black Culture too... Its not like black Americans, many who have been here longer than most whites, are some foreigners in a distant land. The longer you pretend to be African or something the more pissed you'll always be. You'll never be happy. This country will never be your mecca, but if you open your damn eyes, stop the constant negativity, you'll see American Culture is black and white.

Whenever I traveled overseas with the Navy, my black friends usually felt more out of place than my white friends, funny enough. They missed everything about the USA as the white people did. They wanted their familiar food, streets, and language. Black people are as American as apple pie...or whatever the saying might be. The sooner everyone realizes this(black separatist and white separatist alike) the better we will all be.

Totally agree.

Whites and Blacks have dominated the cultural, political, social and economic dialogue in this country since well, the beginning.

Blacks are just as 'American' as Whites are, and much of the world knows this.

[JoeMusashi]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Before you say this, bare in mind that the "black identity" people, like Segun (no offense), often present themselves as speaking for all minorities, but nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, they pretty much only speak for African Americans, which are a distinct group that have a different "approach", shall we speak, to white-minority relations, compared to everyone else.

Good point. The current narrative for the last few years has been one of the "white men vs. people of color". Unfair to lump all non-white people into one basket.

[sopas ej]

^^^Yes, blacks have been a part of American society and culture for a long time, since the US was born, and yes, they are just as American as whites.

BUT, the point some of you seem to be missing, is that they have also been and continue to be discriminated against, racially-profiled, etc. Something is definitely wrong with our society if non-blacks are calling the cops because they see black people barbecuing in a public park, or sitting in a Starbucks without having ordered anything yet, or selling candy in front of a condominium, or just walking through a white neighborhood, etc.

Yeah, they're just as American as the next person, but why aren't they treated like every other American in a lot of places? Diga me that.

[Sun Belt]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

but why aren't they treated like every other American in a lot of places? Diga me that.

For the same reason that men pay more than women for car insurance. Why do younger people pay more? Because the system is against men or young people?

No. It's math.

This might surprise the woke type, but police have crime analyst units. All crimes are all inputted into the system and trends are computed and with that info it can be predicted as to where and what will most likely to occur in the future.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

^^^Yes, blacks have been a part of American society and culture for a long time, since the US was born, and yes, they are just as American as whites.

BUT, the point some of you seem to be missing, is that they have also been and continue to be discriminated against, racially-profiled, etc. Something is definitely wrong with our society if non-blacks are calling the cops because they see black people barbecuing in a public park, or sitting in a Starbucks without having ordered anything yet, or selling candy in front of a condominium, or just walking through a white neighborhood, etc.

Yeah, they're just as American as the next person, but why aren't they treated like every other American in a lot of places? Diga me that.

This is all true, and I dont think anyone is ignoring the inequality and discrimination you bring up-obviously.

But the point still stands-Blacks have been an integral part of this nation's history, and as a group have been a massive contrubutor/influencer to the economic, social, political and cultural fabric of the United States.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Sun Belt

For the same reason that men pay more than women for car insurance. Why do younger people pay more? Because the system is against men or young people?

This might surprise the woke type, but police have crime analyst units. All crimes are all inputted into the system and trends are computed and with that info it can be predicted as to where and what will most likely to occur in the future.

This is really sad stuff.

No, the police don't have some dystopian "Minority Report" system justifying the murder of black folks, and no, blacks aren't systemically disadvantaged in a manner analagous to differing car insurance algorithms. Blacks are arrested, convicted and penalized at far greater rates than their relative level of lawbreaking.

[edale]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

Blacks are just as 'American' as Whites are, and much of the world knows this.

I guess like climate change, much of the world knows something that many Americans refuse to believe. White Americans literally wrote into constitution that Black people only counted as 3/5 of a person. White Americans decided for years where Black people could and could not live, go to school, eat, swim, etc. The land of freedom and liberty was only free and accessible to some people for the majority of this country's existence. Even today, if you look at incarceration rates and any number of health statistics, one could argue the founding principles of this country still are not equally available to all people, especially Black Americans who, as you note, have been integral to the building of this nation from the start.

[JoeMusashi]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

^^^Yes, blacks have been a part of American society and culture for a long time, since the US was born, and yes, they are just as American as whites.

BUT, the point some of you seem to be missing, is that they have also been and continue to be discriminated against, racially-profiled, etc. Something is definitely wrong with our society if non-blacks are calling the cops because they see black people barbecuing in a public park, or sitting in a Starbucks without having ordered anything yet, or selling candy in front of a condominium, or just walking through a white neighborhood, etc.

Yeah, they're just as American as the next person, but why aren't they treated like every other American in a lot of places? Diga me that.

If you get emotionally involved in every story of discrimination that happens in this country, you will never be comfortable or happy. This goes for every person who has instant access to the 24 hour news cycle at their side at all times to react to politics and every grievance that happens often thousands of miles away.

[Sun Belt]

Originally Posted by Crawford

This is really sad stuff.

No, the police don't have some dystopian "Minority Report" system justifying the murder of black folks, and no, blacks aren't systemically disadvantaged in a manner analagous to differing car insurance algorithms. Blacks are arrested, convicted and penalized at far greater rates than their relative level of lawbreaking.

You act like you're surprised at this concept. This is nothing new, it's only getting more and more refined as technology continues to evolve. Limited resources are constantly redirected based off of the most recent data.

It is not based off of race, but rather based off of crime trends within geographically defined regions.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

This is all true, and I dont think anyone is ignoring the inequality and discrimination you bring up-obviously.

But the point still stands-Blacks have been an integral part of this nation's history, and as a group have been a massive contrubutor/influencer to the economic, social, political and cultural fabric of the United States.

Yes. Without black music. We'd still be doing polkas and square dancing.

[Segun]

Originally Posted by JoeMusashi

Black pride movements may have emerged for good reason but today they are just as divisive as white pride movements.

Read the two definitions again and see how stupid you sound.

Sigh, Wakanda forever.

I'm done arguing with what is akin to blind people trying to describe colors to me.

[JoeMusashi]

Originally Posted by Segun

Read the two definitions again and see how stupid you sound.

Sigh, Wakanda forever.

I'm done arguing with what is akin to blind people trying to describe colors to me.

You can sugar coat all you want but they are really no different. Both are tribal, aren’t really inclusive, are too obsessed with the past, and a breeding ground for anger. We are nearly twenty years into the 21st century. Trying to relive or compare the present to 50 years ago is unhealthy.

A melting pot is more inclusive and allows everyone to fit in better. Cultural differences can still exist but they are less important than a national identity.

[Segun]

Originally Posted by JoeMusashi

You can sugar coat all you want but they are really no different. Both are tribal, aren’t really inclusive, are too obsessed with the past, and a breeding ground for anger. We are nearly twenty years into the 21st century. Trying to relive or compare the present to 50 years ago is unhealthy.

A melting pot is more inclusive and allows everyone to fit in better. Cultural differences can still exist but they are less important than a national identity.

1st thing. I don't sugarcoat. I throw salt and sulfuric acid if need be. Are you stupid?

Are you stupid Joe Musashi?

Are.You.That.Stupid?

Black Panther (A movie celebrating Black Pride, inclusive enough to be a top 5 Worldwide box office earner mind you) vs a White Pride movie. Last White Pride movie I could think of was Birth of a Nation.

Are you that stupid Joe Musashi?

Do a google image search for "White Pride" and then "Black Pride".....

A few Swastikas here and there for White Pride. Whats the body count for people murdered under the —? Several million

I guess you could say the Black fist is the equivalent under your stupid logic.

Whats the body count for people murdered under the Black fist logo?.......several dozen maybe...

Are you that stupid?

Maybe Black Pride doesn't seem inclusive to YOU because it scares you. Lord, those Black folks taking pride in themselves?....run run run!!!!!

[Segun]

Here are two events, one Black Pride, the other White Pride

https://www.uwishunu.com/2018/04/19th-an...res-parties-panels-and-more-april-25-29/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/white-pride-demonstration-in-edmonton-ends-quickly-1.786664

For one, the White Pride event is a sausage fest, which raises a side eye from the jump. It looks like a whine fest: "waaaaaahhhh, our culture is going to dieeeeee waaaaaahhhhh". That's hilarious and ironic when you consider there's no female involvement to carry on the culture. Circumsized Head Gang does not look like they're having fun.

Black Pride event. Women there. Check. Looks like people just kicking back having fun, hell there's even a Led Zepellin shirt to make White folks feel more comfortable!!!

[Segun]

I just realized most of the Black Pride events that display under Google image search are more towards the LGBTQ movement. My point still stands. Heck, seeing the sausage fest that is the Alt.Right today?.......You might be right in comparing the two Joe.

There's a bizarre S&M aura that surrounds White supremacy. Some Women like to be punished in bed. Men too: "Please call me racist as you ____________ "......Lol. There's an easier way to get your freak on!!!!

[James Bond Agent 007]

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