Crime in Calgary

[Western Spaghetti]

Yep, she must have been high, there's no other way to explain such bizarre behavior. Seemingly normal people instantly turning into idiots is usually some kind of drug.

Imagine living in a neighborhood like the Beltline where it's a daily occurrence to run into these types of people.

Originally Posted by suburbia

Women is the operative word. The female driver who ended up being shot and killed was pinned a female officer with her vehicle, leaving another officer with no choice but to use force swiftly. Of course, more details may come out in the review.

I'm curious what she was high on. Apparently even a couple hours after the police chose not to chase, she was still making random U-turns and driving against traffic.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4799318/manit...ead-by-calgary-police-christmas-morning/

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Western Spaghetti

Imagine living in a neighborhood like the Beltline where it's a daily occurrence to run into these types of people.

More amazingly, some get used to this type of thing happening in areas of high occurrence.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

I'd like to know how the female officer caught pinned. If the woman was driving so erratically and dangerously why was the officer on foot in a position to be pinned? There's so much that's sketchy as hell about this case and given CPS's track record I'm not buying they had no choice but to shoot the woman.

My read of some of the articles was that the car was pinned by at least four police cars. After it was stopped and police came out, she rammed a car and it may have changed the orientation of the cars relative to the one officer.

I'm a little confused about your comment about "CPS's track record" on drugged out drivers ramming police officers.

I'm also unclear on what you mean by "so much that's sketchy as hell about this case" - what exactly is "sketchy"?

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by suburbia

My read of some of the articles was that the car was pinned by at least four police cars. After it was stopped and police came out, she rammed a car and it may have changed the orientation of the cars relative to the one officer.

I'm a little confused about your comment about "CPS's track record" on drugged out drivers ramming police officers.

I'm also unclear on what you mean by "so much that's sketchy as hell about this case" - what exactly is "sketchy"?

I was talking about CPS's record when it comes to shooting first and asking questions later. So far this year they've shot nine people killing five. Some cities in Canada don't see that many murders in total from the entire population.

The case is sketchy on a number of facts. How the police dealt with it and the alleged past of the woman killed. You can usually tell by looking at photos and video of a person if they have problems. This woman did not come across as a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵 drug user at all to me. Maybe she was great at hiding it or maybe she was given something that she didn't know about and had a horrible reaction. I find this case tragic but we all know how it will end.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

I was talking about CPS's record when it comes to shooting first and asking questions later. So far this year they've shot nine people killing five. Some cities in Canada don't see that many murders in total from the entire population.

What is your analysis of those five fatal cases? What cities over a million didn't see than many murders in 2018?

Originally Posted by Corndogger

The case is sketchy on a number of facts. How the police dealt with it and the alleged past of the woman killed. You can usually tell by looking at photos and video of a person if they have problems. This woman did not come across as a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵 drug user at all to me. Maybe she was great at hiding it or maybe she was given something that she didn't know about and had a horrible reaction.

I'm trying to understand what "facts" exactly you are talking about here. How many drugged up people have you seen to be able to assess this woman from the photographs she posts on social media? Do you find people who may end up taking 🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵 drugs post photos on social media of when they are bombed, or do they usually post photos when they are looking better put together. Again, I'm trying to understand what "facts" you are talking about.

I do get the empathy you seem to have, though it does not seem to exist for the police office pinned by a car. It almost seems as though you have personal special relations with those who have pandered in drugs. Do you live in the Beltline?

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by suburbia

What is your analysis of those five fatal cases? What cities over a million didn't see than many murders in 2018?



I'm trying to understand what "facts" exactly you are talking about here. How many drugged up people have you seen to be able to assess this woman from the photographs she posts on social media? Do you find people who may end up taking 🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵 drugs post photos on social media of when they are bombed, or do they usually post photos when they are looking better put together. Again, I'm trying to understand what "facts" you are talking about.

I do get the empathy you seem to have, though it does not seem to exist for the police office pinned by a car. It almost seems as though you have personal special relations with those who have pandered in drugs. Do you live in the Beltline?

I've never done drugs and have never been around people doing them. Not sure how you reached such a ridiculous hypothesis.

As for murder numbers, look at the Homicides thread in the Canada section. Are you denying that CPS has serious issues? The only people that seem to deny it are their huge fans who tend to get themselves on the police commission and then conduct rigged surveys to make it seem like CPS has huge support in Calgary. CPS like the RCMP needs to be blown up so we can start fresh.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

I've never done drugs and have never been around people doing them. Not sure how you reached such a ridiculous hypothesis.

You were presenting yourself as an expert on what people who use drugs look like.

Originally Posted by Corndogger

As for murder numbers, look at the Homicides thread in the Canada section. Are you denying that CPS has serious issues?

The burden of proof is with you given that you took the stand that they had serious issues and that they've killed more people than murders in many like-sized cities.

Here is an explanation of the burden of proof logical fallacy:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.

Example: Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.

So, since you said Calgary police in this last year have killed more people than the number of murders in other cities, list those other 1M+ cities that had less than 5 murders in 2018.

Also, prove your claim that CPS has serious issues.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by suburbia

You were presenting yourself as an expert on what people who use drugs look like.



The burden of proof is with you given that you took the stand that they had serious issues and that they've killed more people than murders in many like-sized cities.

Here is an explanation of the burden of proof logical fallacy:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof


So, since you said Calgary police in this last year have killed more people than the number of murders in other cities, list those other 1M+ cities that had less than 5 murders in 2018.

Also, prove your claim that CPS has serious issues.

You must be bored today going to so much effort to twist around what I said. Since you appear to be a CPS apologist why don't you explain to us why they're such a great organization. I'll let rank and file members speak for me.

76% of Calgary police think morale is poor: employee survey


Low morale has remained a consistent problem for CPS

Sarah Rieger · CBC News · Posted: Nov 15, 2018 5:15 AM MT | Last Updated: November 15

Low morale continues to be a serious issue at the Calgary Police Service, according to the latest employee survey.

Just four percent of respondents said they strongly agreed that morale at work is good, with 20 percent saying they moderately agreed and 76 percent disagreeing. The results come from the annual employee engagement survey released by the Calgary Police Commission on Nov. 12.

The numbers were consistent with last year's results.

"We remain disappointed that morale continues to erode at the service," said police commission chair Brian Thiessen.

"We spent a lot of time and energy securing additional funds for the service last year as part of the budget and our hope was that would be used to turn around morale."

Forty-five percent of CPS members responded to the survey.

Poor morale has been a well-publicized issue with the service.

In September, the new head of HR — hired to tackle allegations of a toxic workplace and bullying — announced she was retiring after just a few months on the job due to dictatorship-style leadership.

In October, CBC spoke to a number of front-line officers who used words like "crisis" and "mutiny" to describe the frustrations with their work and executive officers.

Employee pride, the number of employees who felt their views are being listened to and those likely to recommend CPS as a career were all categories that saw declines from the previous year.

Only 11 percent of employees reported they felt highly engaged in their job.

Forty percent of employees said they were dissatisfied overall with their workplace environment, citing:

• Poor management/leadership.
• Low morale/stress.
• Poor promotion procedures.
• CPS is in disarray.
• Communication issues.
• Don't care about officers/employees.
• No recognition/don't feel valued.

Thirty-eight percent of respondents said they don't look forward to coming to work.

Only five percent felt the CPS promotion process was effective at promoting the best-qualified person for the job.

Results 'no surprise': police association

Les Kaminski, president of the Calgary Police Association, sent the following emailed statement in response to the results:

"The results of the employee survey come as absolutely no surprise to us. It is exactly what we have heard our members telling us, and what we have been relaying, to both the Service and to the Police Commission, at every opportunity for the past two years.

"We are very hopeful that a new chief will be willing to work collaboratively with us, the Association and the 2,200 members we represent, to get this turned around."

Thiessen said the morale issues need to be a focus of both the interim chief as well as an important part of the search for a replacement.

Search for a new chief

Acting Deputy Chief Steve Barlow is serving as interim chief constable until a permanent replacement is found for Chief Roger Chaffin, who is retiring halfway through his five-year contract.

"Many feel the new Chief should be hired from outside CPS. They feel this is critical to rebuilding trust and morale at CPS," read a highlight from the survey results.

Thiessen said he hopes the search for a new chief will attract the type of candidates that are up to tackle both the quick fixes and long-term challenges ahead.

"I think it does attract individuals who like that type of challenge, who want to engage and see if they can address morale issues," he said.

The job is expected to be posted later this month.

A total of 1,278 employees responded to the online survey between August and September. Results from past surveys dating back to 2009 were included in the results where possible. The survey was undertaken by Illumina Research Partners.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-police-morale-1.4906292

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

I'll let rank and file members speak for me.

76% of Calgary police think morale is poor: employee survey


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-police-morale-1.4906292

So now you're taking us on red herring. This is a logical fallacy where you attempt to redirect the argument to another issue.

You made the claim that the police had a serious issue with killing people, specifically making the claim that they killed more people in 2018 (5 by your count) than the total number of all murders in some other similar sized cities. I asked you to back your claim, to which you said I should prove it were not the case. I called you out on that being a burden of proof logical fallacy, and in fact the burden of proof was on you because you made the original claim.

Then you come back with, in comes the red herring, a report on how the police force employees answered a survey about their feelings! Man, if there are cities of 1M+ with fewer than 5 murders in 2018, just list them!

And where is your back-up information about how you assessed the girls photo to be likely of someone who was not high when she went on the road rampage? That was another bust from your end - just empty rhetoric.

Anyway, here is more information for you on Red Herrings:
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/150/Red-Herring

Unless you actually have some back-up to your claims, you may want to just stand down and enjoy some new year's eve events over the next day and a half. I'll give you a pass. Belated Merry Christmas.

[Suburgatory]

[dg66]

He's often bored. I think the only reason he comes to this forum is to get people going.

Originally Posted by Corndogger

You must be bored today going to so much effort to twist around what I said. Since you appear to be a CPS apologist why don't you explain to us why they're such a great organization. I'll let rank and file members speak for me.

76% of Calgary police think morale is poor: employee survey


Low morale has remained a consistent problem for CPS

Sarah Rieger · CBC News · Posted: Nov 15, 2018 5:15 AM MT | Last Updated: November 15

Low morale continues to be a serious issue at the Calgary Police Service, according to the latest employee survey.

Just four percent of respondents said they strongly agreed that morale at work is good, with 20 percent saying they moderately agreed and 76 percent disagreeing. The results come from the annual employee engagement survey released by the Calgary Police Commission on Nov. 12.

The numbers were consistent with last year's results.

"We remain disappointed that morale continues to erode at the service," said police commission chair Brian Thiessen.

"We spent a lot of time and energy securing additional funds for the service last year as part of the budget and our hope was that would be used to turn around morale."

Forty-five percent of CPS members responded to the survey.

Poor morale has been a well-publicized issue with the service.

In September, the new head of HR — hired to tackle allegations of a toxic workplace and bullying — announced she was retiring after just a few months on the job due to dictatorship-style leadership.

In October, CBC spoke to a number of front-line officers who used words like "crisis" and "mutiny" to describe the frustrations with their work and executive officers.

Employee pride, the number of employees who felt their views are being listened to and those likely to recommend CPS as a career were all categories that saw declines from the previous year.

Only 11 percent of employees reported they felt highly engaged in their job.

Forty percent of employees said they were dissatisfied overall with their workplace environment, citing:

• Poor management/leadership.
• Low morale/stress.
• Poor promotion procedures.
• CPS is in disarray.
• Communication issues.
• Don't care about officers/employees.
• No recognition/don't feel valued.

Thirty-eight percent of respondents said they don't look forward to coming to work.

Only five percent felt the CPS promotion process was effective at promoting the best-qualified person for the job.

Results 'no surprise': police association

Les Kaminski, president of the Calgary Police Association, sent the following emailed statement in response to the results:

"The results of the employee survey come as absolutely no surprise to us. It is exactly what we have heard our members telling us, and what we have been relaying, to both the Service and to the Police Commission, at every opportunity for the past two years.

"We are very hopeful that a new chief will be willing to work collaboratively with us, the Association and the 2,200 members we represent, to get this turned around."

Thiessen said the morale issues need to be a focus of both the interim chief as well as an important part of the search for a replacement.

Search for a new chief

Acting Deputy Chief Steve Barlow is serving as interim chief constable until a permanent replacement is found for Chief Roger Chaffin, who is retiring halfway through his five-year contract.

"Many feel the new Chief should be hired from outside CPS. They feel this is critical to rebuilding trust and morale at CPS," read a highlight from the survey results.

Thiessen said he hopes the search for a new chief will attract the type of candidates that are up to tackle both the quick fixes and long-term challenges ahead.

"I think it does attract individuals who like that type of challenge, who want to engage and see if they can address morale issues," he said.

The job is expected to be posted later this month.

A total of 1,278 employees responded to the online survey between August and September. Results from past surveys dating back to 2009 were included in the results where possible. The survey was undertaken by Illumina Research Partners.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-police-morale-1.4906292

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by dg66

He's often bored. I think the only reason he comes to this forum is to get people going.

That's very likely the case. Just look at the effort he goes to to change and/or add words to other people's posts so he can turn around and attack them. Maybe he thinks we're too stupid to notice and incapable of remembering what we posted a few hours earlier.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

Just look at the effort he goes to to change and/or add words to other people's posts so he can turn around and attack them. Maybe he thinks we're too stupid to notice and incapable of remembering what we posted a few hours earlier.

So here we have an ad hominem fallacy. You can't actually defend your stance that the CPS had shot dead more people in 2018 than the total number of murders in other like cities, so you finally resort to attacking me. Shameful.

More background on ad hominems for your information:
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/1/Ad-Hominem-Abusive

Description: Attacking the person making the argument, rather than the argument itself, when the attack on the person is completely irrelevant to the argument the person is making.

For the record (once again) here are your words where you claimed CPS has killed more people (five this year) than murders in other cities from their entire populations:

Originally Posted by Corndogger

So far this year they've [CPS] shot nine people killing five. Some cities in Canada don't see that many murders in total from the entire population.

Still yet to name even one city that can be compared to Calgary that has had less than five murders in 2018. Guess you'll have to try Corndoggering someone else

[Suburgatory]

He’s not wrong. Some cities don’t. Some towns don’t. Some planets don’t.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

He’s not wrong. Some cities don’t. Some towns don’t. Some planets don’t.

I heard Crescent Heights High School had no 🞵🞵🞵 deaths this year.

[Suburgatory]

Originally Posted by suburbia

I heard Crescent Heights High School had no 🞵🞵🞵 deaths this year.

Please provide proof of your comment and how does that compare to other high schools across the country of equal size?

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

So far this year they've [CPS] shot nine people killing five. Some cities in Canada don't see that many murders in total from the entire population.

You've still yet to name even one city that can be compared to Calgary that has had less than five murders in 2018. Guess you'll have to try Corndoggering someone else

[speedog]

Originally Posted by suburbia

You've still yet to name even one city that can be compared to Calgary that has had less than five murders in 2018. Guess you'll have to try Corndoggering someone else

City of Chestermere? Airdrie? Medicine Hat? Grande Prairie?

[suburbia]

Crime updates ...

Police seek information in connection to shooting in Beltline
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/police-seek-information-in-connection-to-shooting-in-beltline-1.4252472

Police are looking to speak to the occupants of a van that was seen near the area of a shooting last week and are appealing to the public for more information.

Investigators were called to the 1100 block of 12 Avenue S.W. at about 11:00 p.m. on Sunday, January 6, for reports of shots fired.

Police taped off the parking lot of the Midtown Co-op and say evidence gathered near the scene indicated that at least four shots were fired.

Accused killer Nathan Gervais admitted stabbing victim three times
https://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/nat...wcm/605adf96-5b38-4103-b6f3-ed75ba5b7853

Nicholas Marasagan said he was present at a mutual friend’s home after the deadly incident in which Strasser-Hird was swarmed by a group behind a Beltline nightclub.
<>
Marasagan said he was involved in the initial attack on the deceased in the alley behind the now-shuttered Vinyl nightclub on 10th Avenue S.W.

[Deepstar]

Dp