Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed

[libtard]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Induced demand is actually a thing, so yes, more lanes can be bad. There are a lot of examples showing this. But that isn't to say that the replacement should be four lanes -- it shouldn't. Six can make sense, eight makes sense too if you have one dedicated to transit and one for heavy trucks.

What also needs to happen is a true alternative to the single occupancy vehicle through the tunnel, which means transit, and if transit is going to be an alternative then it needs to be given priority over SOVs, which can't happen with the current configuration.

Can you give an example of a crossing (IN NORTH AMERICA) that has dedicated lanes for heavy trucks? What is a dedicated heavy truck lane? I’m legitimately trying to understand what you’re proposing. So if a semi truck crosses the bridge and it isn’t in said lane, it gets fined an amount of money? How does this work?

[s211]

My life with the NDP in power, puppeteered by the Greens.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Ditching the transit improvements should raise some ire
- but the public likely did not know about them in the first place.

Offsetting a new bridge means that you'll have to acquire more land (likely to the east and from the ALR
- and it would be questionable whether the old alignment would be converted back to ALR
(as it would be sandwiched between developed areas and the new highway).

Now this does not make any sense...

People were angry about this project because they apparently wanted to focus on transit and were worried about the ALR.

Now, under the NDP (the supposed champions of the environment) a study comes out that literally states in order to value engineer (penny pinch) the project that the transit aspect (a proper rapid bus with dedicated centre lanes, direct ramps, and stations, which is the standard approach around the world) be reduced to an after though of a shoulder running system and an entirely new alignment be used for the bridge, which would likely be a far more negative impact on ALR than the original proposal...

Seriously this is asinine.

And any form that retains the original structure is fucking stupid and incredibly short sighted.

Do I have to post my fucking list of reasons why again??

[Firebrand]

I'm sick and tired of the NDP holding out the project. They're starting to look like idiots. They NEED to get that bridge built or it'll bite them in the ass, and we'll have another 16 years of suffering under the BC PCs Liberals.

[Tfreder]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Ditching the transit improvements should raise some ire
- but the public likely did not know about them in the first place.

Offsetting a new bridge means that you'll have to acquire more land (likely to the east and from the ALR
- and it would be questionable whether the old alignment would be converted back to ALR
(as it would be sandwiched between developed areas and the new highway).

They seriously want more shoulder bus lanes? What a joke. The current ones already have so many unnecessary close calls, so I can't imagine how much of a mess that will be for the busier interchanges.

The previous government already produced so many studies regarding this crossing. The excuse that more consultations need to be done is laughable. Who do they think they're fooling?

I was satisfied that the BC liberals lost power, but if they do get back into power with the Nanaimo by-election, then getting this bridge built is at least one good thing that would happen.

[Tetsuo]

Originally Posted by Firebrand

I'm sick and tired of the NDP holding out the project. They're starting to look like idiots. They NEED to get that bridge built or it'll bite them in the ass, and we'll have another 16 years of suffering under the BC PCs Liberals.

I wonder if an earthquake were to happen, with the tunnel destroyed and lives lost, would that be on the NDP, ala Italy and jailtime

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

I wonder if an earthquake were to happen, with the tunnel destroyed and lives lost, would that be on the NDP, ala Italy and jailtime

Well if that happens, both Victoria and Vancouver are gone so we have a bigger concern.

[Tetsuo]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Well if that happens, both Victoria and Vancouver are gone so we have a bigger concern.

I'll row a boat to save you in Richmond Dengler

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

I'll row a boat to save you in Richmond Dengler

Oh shoot I totally forgot what precarious position I’ll be in.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Tfreder

They seriously want more median bus lanes? What a joke. The current ones already have so many unnecessary close calls, so I can't imagine how much of a mess that will be for the busier interchanges.

The previous government already produced so many studies regarding this crossing. The excuse that more consultations need to be done is laughable. Who do they think they're fooling?

I was satisfied that the BC liberals lost power, but if they do get back into power with the Nanaimo by-election, then getting this bridge built is at least one good thing that would happen.

I think you mean shoulder lanes, and yes, such a system is the value engineered street grade LRT version of a rapid bus system.

To think right now we could have had a real rapid bus U/C with median lanes, median stations at the Steveston and highway 17 interchanges and direct ramps to Bridgeport Skytrain Station...

It’s strange, if the NDP had just continued the project as is (or maybe simply reduced the lanes from 10 to 8 but kept everything else largely the same) they would seriously earn my vote.

But with cheapening out on the Pattullo (no free flow on the south approach with highway 17 save for one ramp) and especially this snowballing disaster, I just can’t do it.

I can’t be the only one who sees the irony that the transit aspect (and possibly the bike aspect as well if they go with a tunnel or shorter steeper bridge) is the part of this project that seems to be suffering the most now under this review.

[Brixton]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I can’t be the only one who sees the irony that the transit aspect (and possibly the bike aspect as well if they go with a tunnel or shorter steeper bridge) is the part of this project that seems to be suffering the most now under this review.

Ikr, I'm lucky I got my tetanus shot or the irony might've killed me

Why is our provincial NDP such a joke?

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Brixton

Ikr, I'm lucky I got my tetanus shot or the irony might've killed me

Why is our provincial NDP such a joke?

(Digression) I think NDP’s a joke everywhere... Look “next door”.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

haha.

cant say i expected much, but i did expect something better.

though this is a best case scenario probably. since when someone with balls and a brain comes in they can do what is needed since the GreenDP didn't ruin everything.

i am glad i didn't vote NDP with this shit and the taxes from the City and Province all increasing. sadly all those people believed the NDP when they'd get rid of the MSP premiums. with the 5% increase in property tax, i will be paying more on-top of that "school tax" scam.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Brixton

Ikr, I'm lucky I got my tetanus shot or the irony might've killed me

Okay, that was pretty funny.

Seriously though, the NDP has to eventually realize that by actively trying not to piss off anybody, they'll piss off everybody. Can't lead by trying to be every mayor's best friend.

[logicbomb]

You are telling me they cannot come up with 5 bil to build this link? I think the NDP will get absolutely destroyed in the next election.Time to cut back on social spending and bailing out ICBC/BC Hydro and start spending on infrastructure.

They are still clinging to funding social programs aimed towards providing handouts to the lower income population. Guess what? These people are less likely to help themselves, less educated and don't vote. Even back in the golden days...if you couldn't afford to live somewhere...you would migrate onwards and make money elsewhere.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Brixton

Ikr, I'm lucky I got my tetanus shot or the irony might've killed me

Why is our provincial NDP such a joke?

This is the political system we have. New government comes in, they replace a number of senior people with people who share the same visions as the party in power. Usually these new guys coming in are new to the job and are going to screw up with the planning and advise they provide to the politicians. Once they get to the point where they are competent in doing their job it is time for the next election.

Revisiting this, site-C, and a number of other things changes were mistakes. They should have let these project run their course. Once they stepped in it is harder to step out.

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by stump

it's going to take us at least 6 months to read that!

Lol. Trevana probably reads at a 5th-grade level.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by libtard

Are you fucking kidding me?? A shorter bridge? What does that even mean?? So instead of making the approach/descent of the bridge deck more gradual, they want to make it steeper? Great. I see they’re already prepping for the BC value engineering

"Shorter bridge" is actually shorter bridge SPAN (i.e. distance between towers).

The original criteria prohibited any towers/piers to be built in the river.
A shorter bridge span would allow towers to be built in the river (like Port Mann Bridge).
Presumably that means less cable stayed bridge (so shorter towers) and more viaduct?

[moosejaw]

BC doesnt want freeways period
Im not surprised Brodie hasn't replaced steveston interchange with a set of stoplights.
Triple Stack interchanges and flyover ramps look Los Angeles style and he doesnt want that.

[stump]

If the new bridge design is similar to this cycling overpass, it will use less space!

Someone needs to get this idea to the NDP. It's genius.

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