Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed

[CanSpice]

I wasn't a fan of the 10-lane bridge, but I'm getting incredibly tired of Trevena heaping all kinds of blame on the previous government. "Previous government this, previous government that." We get it, the government changed, but seriously give it a bit of a rest.

Business case should be available by fall 2020, so god knows when there might be any actual work done towards a replacement.

[M00dy]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

I wasn't a fan of the 10-lane bridge, but I'm getting incredibly tired of Trevena heaping all kinds of blame on the previous government. "Previous government this, previous government that." We get it, the government changed, but seriously give it a bit of a rest.

Business case should be available by fall 2020, so god knows when there might be any actual work done towards a replacement.

It will likely go to tender just in time for another change in government & get scrapped all over again!

[osirisboy]

Business cases for the various options? Didn't that already get done and that's why they choose the 10 lane bridge? And the business cases won't be done till fall 2020. And then they have to decide and agree to which option to go with. This project isn't going anywhere with the ndp which is the best outcome imo

[WarrenC12]

Giving the old can a big boot down the road. Looks like 10 lanes is out, 6-8 lanes in bridge or tunnel form is possible.

I think another tunnel is the most reasonable for the soil conditions in this area.

Next scheduled election is Oct 21, 2021. Assuming the government doesn't fall for other issues. This will definitely be an election issue.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

I wasn't a fan of the 10-lane bridge, but I'm getting incredibly tired of Trevena heaping all kinds of blame on the previous government. "Previous government this, previous government that." We get it, the government changed, but seriously give it a bit of a rest.

Business case should be available by fall 2020, so god knows when there might be any actual work done towards a replacement.

How quickly do you think a big orgnaization like the provincial governemnt gets turned around, especially after 16 years of misrule?

The ICBC crisis, the housing affordability crisis etc, the BC Lieberals left a huge bag of steaming poo for the incoming government. It'll take years to scoop it all up.

[logicbomb]

Fortunately this government will fall next Spring.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

Fortunately this government will fall next Spring.

Care to make a wager on that?

[misher]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Care to make a wager on that?

I'd say there's a 20% chance of the Liberals winning in Nanaimo which is actually quite high. In 2017 it was 46.5% NDP, 32.5% Liberal, 20% Green

The thing is, even if a majority of people want to vote NDP, only a portion of these showup. But almost all the homeowners facing new taxes will be showing up to vote against NDP. Also the new healthcare payroll tax is pissing off business owners. Turnout was around 60% in 2017 so that leaves a lot of votes up in the air. Also the Green party is going strong which will steal votes from the NDP.

[osirisboy]

The fact that they think a 6 lane crossing might be appropriate speaks to how much of a joke their studies are

[stump]

I can't even pretend I'm surprised they are going for another study and no business case until 2020. Typical NDP bullshit.

And what kind of illiterate clowns take 6 months to read a 302 page report and come up with this kind of response?

Trevena also has the gall to say the following after telling everyone it will take another 2 years at minimum for another study. : “I really understand people’s frustrations. I know people want to be able to travel easily and smoothly through that crossing… people want to get to their families, they want to get to work, this is a huge bottleneck,” said Trevana.

“It is unfortunate the previous government did not do the work that was necessary to deal with it when they had the opportunity. We are engaging with communities to ensure we do it right… we have wasted a lot of time in not being able to engage with communities about what is in their interest.”

[ilikeredheads]

basically this will end up like the Pattullo replacement, severely delayed and underbuilt, because they have this great delusion that cars will disappear despite population growth.

"OMG more lanes = bad!!!" wtf is this BS??

Obviously freight gets transported by themselves through teleportation, mirite??

[waves]

If people haven't actually read the report, it is on the project website and you can read it here: https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sit...g_Independent-Technical-Review_FINAL.pdf

The Governments media release for it is here: https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2018TRAN0217-002429

[stump]

Originally Posted by waves

If people haven't actually read the report, it is on the project website and you can read it here: https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sit...g_Independent-Technical-Review_FINAL.pdf

The Governments media release for it is here: https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2018TRAN0217-002429

it's going to take us at least 6 months to read that!

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

basically this will end up like the Pattullo replacement, severely delayed and underbuilt, because they have this great delusion that cars will disappear despite population growth.

"OMG more lanes = bad!!!" wtf is this BS??

Obviously freight gets transported by themselves through teleportation, mirite??

Induced demand is actually a thing, so yes, more lanes can be bad. There are a lot of examples showing this. But that isn't to say that the replacement should be four lanes -- it shouldn't. Six can make sense, eight makes sense too if you have one dedicated to transit and one for heavy trucks.

What also needs to happen is a true alternative to the single occupancy vehicle through the tunnel, which means transit, and if transit is going to be an alternative then it needs to be given priority over SOVs, which can't happen with the current configuration.

[connect2source]

I'm hoping for this sequence of events, which may very likely occur before the late 2020 NDP Massey Crossing review of reviews of reviews of reviews.

By-Election Nanaimo > Liberals Win > NDP Fall > Liberals Back in Power > 10 Lane Bridge Back on Track

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Induced demand is actually a thing, so yes, more lanes can be bad. There are a lot of examples showing this. But that isn't to say that the replacement should be four lanes -- it shouldn't. Six can make sense, eight makes sense too if you have one dedicated to transit and one for heavy trucks.

What also needs to happen is a true alternative to the single occupancy vehicle through the tunnel, which means transit, and if transit is going to be an alternative then it needs to be given priority over SOVs, which can't happen with the current configuration.

This is why an 8 lane structure makes sense but a 6 lane structure doesn’t.

First, such crossings given their cost to build and footprints should not intentionally be engineered as pinch points.

An 8 lane structure is so so so soooooooo much more flexible and resilient when it comes to transit implementation (such as rapid bus) and traffic flow at the abutting interchanges.

6 lanes is far too restrictive for this crossing.

I want to see a proper rapid bus system in this structure (as was going to be done on the original plan) and 6 lanes will essentially make that impossible. Having general traffic still restricted to 4 lanes (now without a counterflow) on an entirely new replacement project will be a boondoggle and would surely have any government lose their next election.

This is not the Pattullo. This is far more important than just a local structure.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by libtard

Are you fucking kidding me?? A shorter bridge? What does that even mean?? So instead of making the approach/descent of the bridge deck more gradual, they want to make it steeper? Great. I see they’re already prepping for the BC value engineering

I will agree with you on this one, that makes no sense at all. When did the length of the bridge become an issue?

Seeing how important this crossing will be for trucks / shipping one would think that a gradual grade would be far better for the environment and cause less stress on vehicles (and is also better for traffic flow).

I am not surprised that this study has essentially turned into a recommendation for another study... A classic delay tactic. After studies were already done from 2012 to 2016.

Even though they do not see eye to eye on the project I am sure that today’s result will frustrate both Delta and Richmond.

Going to read the study myself, will be back in 6 months

[officedweller]

If they do a tunnel, 8 lanes makes sense.
The 9th and 10th lanes were really just climbing lanes for trucks due to the long steep grade of a bridge.
The tunnel would not have as long or steep of a grade so you would not need climbing lanes.

However, hazardous goods cannot be taken through tunnels, so a tunnel is not as flexible as a bridge.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Dave2

Review recommends study. https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...g-shorter-smaller-bridge-or-a-new-tunnel

Ditching the transit improvements should raise some ire
- but the public likely did not know about them in the first place.

Offsetting a new bridge means that you'll have to acquire more land (likely to the east and from the ALR
- and it would be questionable whether the old alignment would be converted back to ALR
(as it would be sandwiched between developed areas and the new highway).

The review suggested that the province, in its study, look at a six- to eight-lane bridge or a new tunnel, and it said the old tunnel could be rehabilitated and used in conjunction with a new tunnel.

The review concluded that allowing bridge alignment to be offset from the main highway and allowing construction adjacent to or in the river will simplify the bridge design. That, and cutting the number of lanes, could reduce project costs by $500 million or more and increase the odds it will be accepted by the region.

The review also recommends that the province eliminate HOV or transit provisions at the bridge median in favour of lower-cost alternatives, such as shoulder bus lanes.

Retrofitting the old tunnel should be considered in more detail, Cowdell said, though the cost will not be insignificant.

[connect2source]

So 70M to upgrade the existing tunnel while we wait for the decision late 2020 ( if we can believe that ) plus the 70M already spent on preparatory work for the cancelled bridge!

These guys need to go!!! Nanaimo, vote Liberal please!