Expo Line - Surrey Langley Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 326

Bombaman · #**6501** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 12:39 AM**

Sorry for my typo and I like to put my reply on top, I didn't know it would bother you. There is no rule saying that reply should be put below quote. In response to your reply, you have to check the context bro, Shift was replying to another poster who accused Surrey first for the crappy planning. It has nothing to do with the city center planning (etc. civic plaza), McCallum certainly wasn't responsible for the good planning in Surrey. lol You are smart in getting a little piece of his words, I can give you that.

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Shift, not Swift. Come on, it's only five letters.

Coming from someone who doesn't even know how to put the reply under the quote, being called a laughingstock is a pretty high compliment.

McCallum's hardly without flaws, but he promised to get rid of the light rail plan, and that's how he won. I suspect that Surrey would've voted for Rollergirl or the guy with the Hitler stache if they'd promised SkyTrain.

Bombaman · #**6502** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 1:07 AM**

Maybe even if a homeless advocate of the skytrain? It sounds pretty reasonable and intelligent to me. Thumb up to you for your intelligent reply, it certainly sounds like it will do Surrey a great deal of good.

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I suspect that Surrey would've voted for Rollergirl or the guy with the Hitler stache if they'd promised SkyTrain.

goldenboi · #**6503** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 3:23 AM**

Can you guys please try to keep things a bit more mature and civil? I rarely ever check this thread anymore because I know it's just going to be a bunch of people having petty arguments, rather than sharing valuable information.

red-paladin · #**6504** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 3:49 AM**

We're getting way off topic too.

Migrant_Coconut · #**6505** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 5:53 AM**

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Can you guys please try to keep things a bit more mature and civil? I rarely ever check this thread anymore because I know it's just going to be a bunch of people having petty arguments, rather than sharing valuable information.

Check back a couple of pages. The valuable information (or at least meaningful talks about it) is still there; it just gets periodically interrupted by upset LRT diehards.

Migrant_Coconut · #**6506** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 6:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bombaman

Sorry for my typo and I like to put my reply on top, I didn't know it would bother you. There is no rule saying that reply should be put below quote. In response to your reply, you have to check the context bro, Shift was replying to another poster who accused Surrey first for the crappy planning. It has nothing to do with the city center planning (etc. civic plaza), McCallum certainly wasn't responsible for the good planning in Surrey. lol You are smart in getting a little piece of his words, I can give you that.

It's just curious, because that kind of formatting isn't any better than how the rest of the planet does it (and grammatically, it's worse).

The context adds nothing. In fact, it makes Shift look worse because he's contradicting himself. Airwaves is correct: Surrey First had been content with going along with McCallum's midrise spot rezoning up until the last two election cycles (when Civic Plaza and most of the others were approved and built), then Watts left for a provincial ticket, and Hepner/Gill/etc decided to build a cheap SkyTrain "substitute" so they could enter a tower-measuring contest with Vancouver and Burnaby.

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Maybe even if a homeless advocate of the skytrain? It sounds pretty reasonable and intelligent to me. Thumb up to you for your intelligent reply, it certainly sounds it will do Surrey a great deal of good.

Politicians are like diapers: they need to be changed often, and for the same reasons. If a homeless person had previously been mayor, and had promised everything Surrey wanted this election, why not? They could hardly have been more incompetent than the previous administration.

McCallum's only been in for a month and a half; if his actions speak louder and better than his words, then all's well. If not, Surrey has a SkyTrain extension, a police department, and in four years, a new mayor.

Bombaman · #**6507** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 6:20 AM**

I am not a native English speaker but I was a top student and peer tutor at school. I am sorry if my grammar is not as good as native English speaker, but I am sure you can't speak or write a second language as good as I do. Please stay on the topic instead of focusing on typo, formatting or grammar, be mature instead of having a brain of a coconut. As goldenboi mentioned, I think I should stop this argument with you because there is no point.

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It's just curious, because that kind of formatting isn't any better than how the rest of the planet does it (and grammatically, it's worse).

The context adds nothing. In fact, it makes Shift look worse because he's contradicting himself. Airwaves is correct: Surrey First had been content with going along with McCallum's midrise spot rezoning up until the last two election cycles (when Civic Plaza and most of the others were approved and built), then Watts left for a provincial ticket, and Hepner/Gill/etc decided to build a cheap SkyTrain "substitute" so they could enter a tower-measuring contest with Vancouver and Burnaby.

Politicians are like diapers: they need to be changed often, and for the same reasons. If a homeless person had previously been mayor, and had promised everything Surrey wanted this election, why not? They could hardly have been more incompetent than the previous administration.

McCallum's only been in for a month and a half; if his actions speak louder and better than his words, then all's well. If not, Surrey has a SkyTrain extension, a police department, and in four years, a new mayor.

Migrant_Coconut · #**6508** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 6:29 AM**

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McNut is either a liar, delusional, or suffer from dementia. Having him as Surrey's Mayor tell you a lot about the Surrey voters, most of them are uneducated. Sadly, many people on this forum are also pro-McNut. 'Vary greatly from truth': Surrey mayor's false statements mounting

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Most people on the Vancouver TRANSIT forum are pro-skytrain? Yes, but they are not pro-Surrey skytrain extension. They have nothing to do with Mcnut getting elected as Surrey Mayor. In fact, most of the people in other parts of Metro Vancouver think McNut is an idiot, so are the majority of his voters. You will find the answer if you spend time to check the CTV news or other media outlets. I can't see building a half — skytrain extension to fleewood is good for Surrey at all and because of it, the people in Surrey has to pay more taxes, other projects or infrastructures have to be cut, and people in some communities would not be served. The obsession of getting a little section of skytrain is just pure stupidity. It would make sense if the two planned LRT lines can be replaced by the skytrain with the current funding but not in expense of so many other things.

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Warning, idiot detected.

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The original poster suggested voting in an idiot in just for the sake of changing the mayor or council. Do you think that's a smart move? I see your type too. Call someone out for telling out the truth. Mr. hypocrite.

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I have to show you who is the laughing stock because some of you seems to refuse a reality check. It's okay, I don't want to bring other people into this, if you believe McCallum is the right choice, then he is the right choice in your view. XD

For future reference, maturity is a two-way street. It's a whole lot easier for people to be civil if you would refrain from calling them a joke or an idiot simply because they think/vote differently from you, or because you were on the losing side of an election. It's very likely that they may think the same of you, but they'll treat you like an adult if you do the same.

Good day sir (tips hat).

Bombaman · #**6509** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 6:54 AM**

You certainly sound mature. Good night sir.

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I'm not worried about the money so much as cheapskates, snake oil LRT salesmen or another transit referendum.

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Rebranded = discontinued? That's dumb, even for zwei.

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And now, we sell them all on the benefits of LIMs (sinister laugh)...

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Was that ever in doubt? They've been wrong about everything else, after all.

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The same SFU Gondola that said Council spent the better part of the decade rejecting? Those are some wrecking ball-sized testicles; they should consider loaning them out to construction companies.

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But it's been evident over the past few months that you're a feeling-type personality rather than a "thinking-type, so feel free to continue your grudge match against all things not-LRT.

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You'll be given cushy jobs!

Was he sent here by the devil?

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Let's remember the Canada Line, people; in their infinite wisdom, the province decided to save half a billion and get it done in time for the Olympics, and we ended up with a clown car. Better to pay now than pay later.

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Ad hominems just make you’re arguments less credible. Would you rather keep Surrey First and make Surrey the laughingstock of the region because of these guys?

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Coming from someone who doesn't even know how to put the reply under the quote, being called a laughingstock is a pretty high compliment.

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Well, at least you didn't cite Twitter. Still, it's a pretty bad idea to spend 10-20 minutes digging up Facebook posts, because it's easy to spend as much time going through Surrey First's peanut gallery and finding much more ridicule per minute.

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Shift, not Swift. Come on, it's only five letters.

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Well, at least you didn't cite Twitter. Still, it's a pretty bad idea to spend 10-20 minutes digging up Facebook posts, because it's easy to spend as much time going through Surrey First's peanut gallery and finding much more ridicule per minute.

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It's just curious, because that kind of formatting isn't any better than how the rest of the planet does it (and grammatically, it's worse).

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I suspect that Surrey would've voted for Rollergirl or the guy with the Hitler stache if they'd promised SkyTrain.

Migrant_Coconut · #**6510** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 7:06 AM**

... I thought you were stopping because there was no point? You'll note that despite you beginning this clustershag by throwing the word "idiot" around like confetti without any solid argument behind it, neither I nor Firebrand ever once insulted you as a person.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record: transit infrastructure is entirely TransLink's jurisdiction, and they have $1.7 billion now, and $1.9 billion on the way, and that's more than enough for both Langley SkyTrain & buses for KGB-104th. The city does not need to pay even a nickel more to TransLink than Surrey First would have, and the people of Surrey understood that and voted that way; Surrey is currently cancelling stuff to balance their own internal debt, which was apparently horribly mismanaged. Somehow, the LRT shills twisted it into "massive amounts of debt to pay for SkyTrain," and you fell for it.

Bombaman · #**6511** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 7:19 AM**

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But it's been evident over the past few months that you're a feeling-type personality rather than a "thinking-type, so feel free to continue your grudge match against all things not-LRT.

I have never insulted you or firebrand either but from my research, it seems only you can insult other posters. I call McCallum an idiot because I truly think he is. Yes, I am pretty sure you are a very classy person and all your propaganda and alternative facts are correct and true.

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... I thought you were stopping because there was no point? You'll note that despite you beginning this clustershag by throwing the word "idiot" around like confetti without any solid argument behind it, neither I nor Firebrand ever once insulted you as a person.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record: transit infrastructure is entirely TransLink's jurisdiction, and they have $1.7 billion now, and $1.9 billion on the way, and that's more than enough for both Langley SkyTrain & buses for KGB-104th. The city does not need to pay even a nickel more to TransLink than Surrey First would have, and the people of Surrey understood that and voted that way; Surrey is currently cancelling stuff to balance their own internal debt, which was apparently horribly mismanaged. Somehow, the LRT shills twisted it into "massive amounts of debt to pay for SkyTrain," and you fell for it.

Migrant_Coconut · #**6512** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 7:57 AM**

I can understand why you'd think that, seeing as you're new and our only point of interaction is two months' worth of Surrey transit comments. I invite you to explore the rest of the forum, or at least the rest of this thread; for that specific example, NewfBC has never demonstrated any interest in a rational discussion in this thread, instead opting for petty sniping.

You're free to call McCallum an idiot; I think many of us have too. You're not free to call "idiot" towards voters and other posters simply because Surrey First lost and you're still upset about it. Nor are you free to call "propaganda" when the information is available for anybody to find, but your perspective - and therefore your argument - is based on comments you read on Facebook. The Newton-Guildford LRT is $1.65 billion, Langley LRT is $1.95 billion, Langley SkyTrain is $2.9 billion... being aware of the facts is priceless.

Tacking up a month's worth of bad one-liners hardly furthers anything, especially not when they all redirect to one comment. Good effort though.

red-paladin · #**6513** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 11:21 AM**

Any further off topic posts will be deleted.

CanSpice · #**6514** Posted **Dec 17, 2018, 5:05 PM**

One of the stories up above said that possibly in lieu of paying the $56m in cash, Surrey might transfer $40m worth of land to... TransLink? Metro Vancouver?

How does land ownership work for SkyTrain lines? Does TransLink get an air parcel above the land for elevated lines, and what happens for at-grade lines?

officedweller · #**6515** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 12:26 AM**

I assume that TransLink would have a statutory right-of-way comprised of both land parcels (for column footings) and airspace parcels (for guideway spans).

Stations may sit on parcels owned by TransLink or under an SRW - probably depends on the particular location
(i.e. stations over or under roadways would probably be SRWs).

Think of the various scenarios we have seen:
- VanCity Tower build over guideway at Main Street (guideway through airspace parcel?)
- Residential condo cantilevered over King Edward Station (maybe the station is owned by TransLink and the condo occupies an airspace parcel over the station)

BirchTrain · #**6516** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 6:25 AM**

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I assume that TransLink would have a statutory right-of-way comprised of both land parcels (for column footings) and airspace parcels (for guideway spans).

Stations may sit on parcels owned by TransLink or under an SRW - probably depends on the particular location
(i.e. stations over or under roadways would probably be SRWs).

Think of the various scenarios we have seen:
- VanCity Tower build over guideway at Main Street (guideway through airspace parcel?)
- Residential condo cantilevered over King Edward Station (maybe the station is owned by TransLink and the condo occupies an airspace parcel over the station)

Oakridge’s redevelopment is gonna have a giant Pringle chip-like thing over the entrance to the station:

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-line-oakridge-41st-avenue-station-landmark-canopy-entrance

Appears it may overhang the roadway

Not sure how that will work.