YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 694

stiffdeadman · #**13861** Posted **Dec 11, 2018, 3:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

Well Seattle airport is a disaster from a security perspective. During the summer very long lines for security. Much of it driven by the cruise ship trade. International arrivals is also an even bigger pain. During peek periods it operating at far above capacity.

They have some work to do and they are working on it.

this is where tsa precheck shows its value. i have it and breeze through security with no waits.

Johnny Aussie · #**13862** Posted **Dec 11, 2018, 5:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Ya and that all assumes that YVR doesn't grow at all, which despite the low capacity increase on the books for next summer, winter still has a decent boost, as does transborder.

Speaking of Transborder... with the lastest changes (mainly additions by AC)... as it stands right now YVR will have 100 daily Transborder flights next summer.

Breakdown by carrier:

AC 43
UA 16
DL 13
WS 11
AA 8
AS 8
CX 1

Johnny Aussie · #**13863** Posted **Dec 11, 2018, 7:41 AM**

Hong Kong Airlines to upgauge to 359 effective 22 March 2019.

Daily from 1 May again.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...airlines-s19-vancouver-aircraft-changes/

The 359 will also operate the month of January

From 22 March - 30 April

HX080 HKG1230 – 1010YVR 359 x24
HX081 YVR1210 – 1650+1HKG 359 x24

From 1 May

HX080 HKG1230 – 1010YVR 359 D
HX081 YVR1210 – 1650+1HKG 359 D

Replacing the older 332... Wait! That’s actually an increase in seats?! No way!

Denscity · #**13864** Posted **Dec 11, 2018, 8:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Speaking of Transborder... with the lastest changes (mainly additions by AC)... as it stands right now YVR will have 100 daily Transborder flights next summer.

Breakdown by carrier:

AC 43
UA 16
DL 13
WS 11
AA 8
AS 8
CX 1

100 daily transborder flights is amazing Johnny! How does that compare to the other big airports in Canada?

Johnny Aussie · #**13865** Posted **Dec 12, 2018, 12:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by Denscity

100 daily transborder flights is amazing Johnny! How does that compare to the other big airports in Canada?

YYC will have about 54 and YEG 13.

Don’t know about the rest although I’m sure YYZ is 200+

YVR also a higher proportion of mainline on US carriers.

thenoflyzone · #**13866** Posted **Dec 12, 2018, 12:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

these increase comes from the cut to LIS.... YYZ-LIS down to 4x weekly and YUL-LIS down to 1x weekly - both a 2x weekly cut.

The cuts to LIS are suprising, considering Calin Rovinescu is on record as saying LIS performed well in summer 2018.

If what Calin is saying is true, then it could simply mean that LIS, although profitable, is not as high yielding as ATH. Would make sense, since AC has no competition on YUL/YYZ-ATH, and does on YYZ-LIS and (to a lesser extent) on YUL-LIS.

If these cuts are true, and AC truly plans a 1x weekly YUL-LIS service, then it's a perfect time for TP to start YUL and try and kick AC out of the market.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4216628...-results-earnings-call-transcript?page=4

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During your busy month of June, we began operating several new trends Atlantic routes including our non-stop mainline service to Shannon from Toronto, to Dublin from Montreal, and to Zurich and Paris from Vancouver, as well as our non-stop Air Canada Rouge services to Bucharest and Lisbon from Montreal and to Bucharest, Puerto, and Zagreb from Toronto. We’re happy to say that all of these new routes met or exceeded our expectations, and I’d also like to highlight that Athens, Rome, and Lisbon also performed very well.

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Originally Posted by casper

Given it is YVR thread, any word on a YVR-LIS flight? My preference would be if it were announced to be on TP instead of AC. We don't want thouse Rouge aircraft making their way to YVR.

YVR-BCN is larger than YVR-LIS. Alas, no Rouge means no Barcelona. As for TAP, their next Canadian destination will be YUL. Vancouver isn't even on their radar. Here is what is in North America:

Montreal
Chicago (begins June)
Washington (begins June)
San Francisco
increase Newark to daily

LeftCoaster · #**13867** Posted **Dec 12, 2018, 11:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

5x YYZ-PTY
4x YUL-PTY

9x weekly for each side.

AC still have 6x weekly unused.

That's a pretty pathetic bilateral, even for Canadian standards.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Speaking of Transborder... with the lastest changes (mainly additions by AC)... as it stands right now YVR will have 100 daily Transborder flights next summer.

Breakdown by carrier:

AC 43
UA 16
DL 13
WS 11
AA 8
AS 8
CX 1

Do you happen to remember what last years was? I think there is a pretty decent jump in transborder seats summer 19, could help keep growth going in the absence of long haul growth.

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YVR-BCN is larger than YVR-LIS. Alas, no Rouge means no Barcelona.

Coincidentally I'll be adding to the LIS-YVR O&D this Christmas, maybe I'll be the ticket that tips the scale

Realistically if YVR nabs a new European destination I'd imagine it will still be a Germanic destination or longer shot Italy.

Barcelona could be started by Level, Veuling, or Norwegian but they'd need some codeshare on the Canada side since they would have no feed otherwise.

That said I think most Europe growth over the next 3-4 years will be strengthening of existing destinations (ie AF finally going daily or AC making FRA year round).

mezzanine · #**13868** Posted **Dec 13, 2018, 1:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Coincidentally I'll be adding to the LIS-YVR O&D this Christmas, maybe I'll be the ticket that tips the scale

Realistically if YVR nabs a new European destination I'd imagine it will still be a Germanic destination or longer shot Italy.

Barcelona could be started by Level, Veuling, or Norwegian but they'd need some codeshare on the Canada side since they would have no feed otherwise.

That said I think most Europe growth over the next 3-4 years will be strengthening of existing destinations (ie AF finally going daily or AC making FRA year round).

For some reason, wound up in Portugal twice this year:

Trip 1:
YVR-FRA-LIS - on LH. typical efficient service, Wifi on TATL leg

LIS-YUL-YVR - wanted LH, but ++ cheaper on rouge to YUL, cheaper than Rouge to YYZ. low expectations were met, so not bad? at YUL, customs quite smooth, MLL smaller than I expected. Flew a 737 mas from YUL, but wifi not set up then.

Trip 2:
YVR-FRA-LIS

OPO-MUC-YVR - tight 1 hr connection, but doable if no IIROPs, OPO airport just jammed, OPO leg ++ delayed and would miss MUC flight.

Opted to take OPO - EWR - YVR. Doable and probably better than rouge (wifi on TATL leg!) but: 1) need global entry or EWR transfer would be hell 2) US transfers will not check your bag thru, so remember to take it at EWR.

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Realistically, I would like to see LH take MUC year round and AC take FRA year round. AF to daily year round would be nice too. MUC has may more connections to Europe in general, especially central/eastern Europe.

Johnny Aussie · #**13869** Posted **Dec 13, 2018, 3:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Do you happen to remember what last years was? I think there is a pretty decent jump in transborder seats summer 19, could help keep growth going in the absence of long haul growth.

Last summer it was closer to 95 flights per day.

YVR Bruce · #**13870** Posted **Dec 13, 2018, 5:08 AM**

Surprised that no one has commented on today's Routesonline news that UA was adding daily SFO-DEL service. Also 3 x week to MEL - although that one shouldn't affect AC's YVR service as much.

It goes to show that our hometown AC/YVR team has been nicely out in front on these destinations. I hope that UA doesn't draw much business from our DEL daily.

thenoflyzone · #**13871** Posted **Dec 13, 2018, 12:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

Surprised that no one has commented on today's Routesonline news that UA was adding daily SFO-DEL service. Also 3 x week to MEL - although that one shouldn't affect AC's YVR service as much.

It goes to show that our hometown AC/YVR team has been nicely out in front on these destinations. I hope that UA doesn't draw much business from our DEL daily.

United promised a historical route announcement. Ended up being anything but. Because of the word used, people were speculating SGN, JNB, BKK, or a return of their round the world service (UA1/2).

In the end, it was a disappointment in that regard, as United already flies to all the destinations it announced.

As for SFO, it has had non stop DEL service since 2015 with Air India, and non stop to MEL since last September with Qantas.

UA is simply following the pack. More flights on SFO-ICN and new SFO-YYZ service as well. Hardly historical !

YYCguys · #**13872** Posted **Dec 13, 2018, 2:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

United promised a historical route announcement. Ended up being anything but. Because of the word used, people were speculating...a return of their round the world service (UA1/2).

Ooh what was this “round the world” service? I’ve never heard of it.

thenoflyzone · #**13873** Posted **Dec 13, 2018, 3:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by yycguys

ooh what was this “round the world” service? I’ve never heard of it.

UA1 jfk-lax-hkg-del-lhr-jfk
UA2 jfk-lhr-del-hkg-lax-jfk

thenoflyzone · #**13874** Posted **Dec 13, 2018, 4:13 PM**

speaking of TAP and SFO....

http://www.globenewswire.com/news-releas...merican-and-Only-West-Coast-Gateway.html

YUL should be next...

osirisboy · #**13875** Posted **Dec 13, 2018, 4:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

speaking of TAP and SFO....

http://www.globenewswire.com/news-releas...merican-and-Only-West-Coast-Gateway.html

YUL should be next...

So this involves yvr? Will they be coming here?

twoNeurons · #**13876** Posted **Dec 13, 2018, 11:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

So this involves yvr? Will they be coming here?

Please please please!

I'd love to see the following ( in no particular order ):

YVR-LIS on TAP
YVR-WAW on LOT
YVR-ZRH on Swiss
YVR-IST on TK ( of course )

Those three would be great as they all don't pass on fuel surcharges on Aeroplan reward redemptions.

Since AC has a YVR-ZRH flight I don't see Swiss Airlines starting up that route... but here's hoping!

Anything but more German destinations on LH.

s211 · #**13877** Posted **Dec 14, 2018, 12:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Anything but more German destinations on LH.

Johnny Aussie · #**13878** Posted **Dec 14, 2018, 2:24 AM**

Inaugural QF to SYD for the peak winter season takes off tonight at 2000.

3 x per week for 7 weeks again.

We've had a couple of wicked stormy days (sunny and warm now).

AC37 from YVR-MEL clocked in at 16:45 as it was held up circling due to ATC delays and one runway ops for awhile... fun stuff. AC38 just took off and on its way home about 90 mins late.

excel · #**13879** Posted **Dec 14, 2018, 2:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

Surprised that no one has commented on today's Routesonline news that UA was adding daily SFO-DEL service. Also 3 x week to MEL - although that one shouldn't affect AC's YVR service as much.

It goes to show that our hometown AC/YVR team has been nicely out in front on these destinations. I hope that UA doesn't draw much business from our DEL daily.

With India's insane population growth and industrialization there will be nothing other than more increases in YVR-DEL capacity.

nname · #**13880** Posted **Dec 14, 2018, 2:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Inaugural QF to SYD for the peak winter season takes off tonight at 2000.

New season, but first time with WS codeshare?