Calgary International Airport II

[msmariner]

Was looking into booking a flight from Calgary to KOA on Alaska. Up to a few days ago they had a very nice connecting flight leaving YYC at 630 AM. Now a couple days later I check and it seems they have eliminated the early morning flight YYC-SEA and the RON SEA-YYC. I was looking for April 2019. Wonder if any of the experts here know if this is actually the case or a glitch

[msmariner]

Wonder why they’ve eliminated those flights. Going to be hard to make connections down there now
I see May 31st has 4 flights then back too regular 3 flights in the summer

[YYCFlier]

I wonder if it's aircraft. I love AS but will switch if the connections suck, DL is always an option (and AC in summer).

[YYCguys]

Can you tell which of those flights are on Horizon aircraft? I hear that Horizon is moving from Q400 equipment to E175/CRJ.

[YYCguys]

Oh ok. I was under the impression that at least one of the AS flights operated as an Alaska 737 as that’s the equipment I flew on a year ago. I took a 737 in both directions.

[Johnny Aussie]

The AS drop to two daily for the winter is just seasonal change. Both AS and DL
will operate two daily to SEA this winter. Both back to three daily next summer and AC returns with its single daily flight.

[Johnny Aussie]

Looks like they are extending the seasonal decrease then. Also perhaps because it had the highest number of connections it was lower yielding.
Despite SEA’s large AS and DL hubs they’ve both cut AB services quite a bit.

[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Despite SEA’s large AS and DL hubs they’ve both cut AB services quite a bit.

Maybe WR/WS will take a stab at SEA if this is the case?

[YegFan]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looks like they are extending the seasonal decrease then. Also perhaps because it had the highest number of connections it was lower yielding.
Despite SEA’s large AS and DL hubs they’ve both cut AB services quite a bit.

Bottom line is this...there's a lot of added capacity to LAS, PHX and PSP. SEA connects many pax to those destinations. In the end, you can only throw so much capacity. YEG is seeing the same on the SEA flights.

[YYCFlier]

Originally Posted by Acey

From my perspective that's not at all the bottom line nor is that clear cut because a) our increases in seats as a percentage of total seats to those markets for this winter is negligible compared to YEG's unsustainably stupid flood of seats into LAS et al. and b) how the cnx numbers distribute over the remaining frequencies when one is removed. For example, there is clear evidence that a significant number of people on the new AC n/s would have been on AC to PSP anyway, via YVR.

Also, WS likely does not start SEA as they have no reason to, at least not as a direct result of this slight AS shoulder cut which ultimately is not that big a deal.

Maybe, but I think this is why AC introduced YEG-SFO, due to the connection pax in YYC. I would never connect in YVR for PSP, so this definitely changes my behaviour. I'd take WS every time, now I'd take AC too. Some fliers like me value time and convenience over price (most don't but there are some).

WS will not take SEA, they will code-share with DL. I could maybe see Encore going there when the JV is firmed up and DL removing one of the turns.

[YYCFlier]

Originally Posted by Acey

For anybody curious, the WestJet 737 MAX has been loading only about 85% of total fuel capacity for the 6.5+ hour Maui runs. Thought that was a neat stat, in case there was any doubt as to the capability of this airplane. AC will run their MAX to OGG as well, next month.

Interesting WS never ran their 737-800s to OGG ... must be out of safety range?

[YYCFlier]

Originally Posted by Acey

They can reach and they've done it before, also from YEG, with varying numbers of seats blocked or as ferries.

Ah, so they can't make it with maximum weight. When WS started YYC/YEG Hawaii service they wetleased 757s; seems odd they would have done that if the 737-800NGs could make it (obviously now they run the 767s and 7M8s, but seems odd they never tried with the 800s?)

[hollywoodcory]

Frontier extended its schedule through August 11. Still no sign or hint of a return of LAS.
DEN remains 3x weekly.

[outoftheice]

Originally Posted by Acey

Frontier's been a dumpster fire of an operation here. Terrible OTP, combative crews... worst carrier we have by a mile.

Whatever it takes to bolster tb numbers, tho

Out of curiosity what exactly have the crews been combative about?

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Acey

Some dumb rule about not retracting their flaps when it's close to 30° ambient then the fuelers couldn't get in. Don't know the specifics but there was a lot of "voice raising" going on at whatever gate F9 was at this summer and supervisors always down there... apparently that's what it was about. For a stretch they were uplifting enough gas in DEN for the return to avoid conflict with YYC fuelers. My understanding is that somebody got a hold of Airbus and confirmed that it was bullshit and not required, and then F9 conceded.

So they didn't want to pay the Canadian carbon tax and other fuel levies, chose instead to tanker fuel from DEN for the return trip home.

[YYCFlier]

Anyone know how YYC-PSP is doing? It's a new route, WS does well on it, but the discounts I'm seeing suggest they are having trouble filling planes.

[Johnny Aussie]

Looks like YYC-NRT on AC and YYC-LHR on BA have been removed from schedules from late OCT 2019. May be early but perhaps an indication these flights may become “permanently” seasonal.

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looks like YYC-NRT on AC and YYC-LHR on BA have been removed from schedules from late OCT 2019. May be early but perhaps an indication these flights may become “permanently” seasonal.

I’m Ok with that. Somebody has too fly the passengers to Europe/Asia or beyond. If that means our existing carriers will be stronger that’s a plus. On top of that I could see WestJet expanding their route network to cover the gap. By then more Dreamliners will be arriving

[YYCFlier]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looks like YYC-NRT on AC and YYC-LHR on BA have been removed from schedules from late OCT 2019. May be early but perhaps an indication these flights may become “permanently” seasonal.

Tried a dummy booking YYC-NRT on 2019/11/13. AC 009 is still there. Still likely seasonal, though. Will have to see if it survives end of month. Also still showing 767-300ER; there will be few of those left by then.

[YYCFlier]

As for BA, confirm it ends sometime in October 2019. I am still at a loss how they manage to sell anything with the fares I see pull up. $3600 one way in Y? You're serious?