Expo Line - Surrey Langley Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[MIPS]

I think it is more people forgetting that the SkyTrain was designed as an arterial backbone that can connect major centers in minutes while the feeder routes are all operated by bus or even LRT which can take tens of minutes but has a typically lower cost to reach more remote/suburban areas where SkyTrain service would be too cost prohibitive/intrusive to be viable. They just see LRT as being cheaper and easier to install and future predictions for every other variable can go out the window.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Who the hell goes to Surrey as a tourist? You can't call crackheads exotic wildlife as much as you can't call graffitti fine art.

Surrey isn't viewed internationally the same way it is locally. Tourists may well go to Surrey just as much as anywhere else in the region.

Originally Posted by Trainguy

I am wondering how many people actually travel between Newton and Guildford without getting on or off the Skytrain? Do Newton people get on the bus to go shopping at Surrey Central or Guildford or vice versa? I am sure some people travel between these town centres for work but shopping can't be the main reason.

Do people in Surrey stay within Surrey to do their shopping, errands, etc - that's like asking do people in Vancouver stay in Vancouver to do the same. Of course they do. Now if only Surrey had a transit network that allowed them to do that easily, just like Vancouver has. Extending the Skytrain down Fraser Hwy would make it easier to create a more grid-like system of buses in Surrey.

[Trainguy]

Here we go again... Yet another death on Calgary LRT. Good thing Surrey is avoiding this ongoing problem with LRT.


Person Hit and Killed by C-Train at Heritage Station in Southwest Calgary

Calgary Alberta - A person was hit and killed by a C-Train in southwest Calgary on Thursday evening.

It happened just before 18:00 at Heritage Station, the Calgary Police Service says.

Police have deemed the death not suspicious.

The station was closed for several hours as the traffic section conducted its investigation.

The Red Line trains stopped running for a time through the station, as well, the transit authority tweeted.

Instead commuters were encouraged to catch a shuttle bus between the neighbouring train stations.

Officials did not provide any other information about the death.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Trainguy

Here we go again... Yet another death on Calgary LRT. Good thing Surrey is avoiding this ongoing problem with LRT.


Person Hit and Killed by C-Train at Heritage Station in Southwest Calgary

Calgary Alberta - A person was hit and killed by a C-Train in southwest Calgary on Thursday evening.

It happened just before 18:00 at Heritage Station, the Calgary Police Service says.

Police have deemed the death not suspicious.

The station was closed for several hours as the traffic section conducted its investigation.

The Red Line trains stopped running for a time through the station, as well, the transit authority tweeted.

Instead commuters were encouraged to catch a shuttle bus between the neighbouring train stations.

Officials did not provide any other information about the death.

i don't get how all these people can be hit, especially on platforms. i just don't get that.

i get all the accidents with cars, peds, etc since the tracks intermingling with them.

[scryer]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Who the hell goes to Surrey as a tourist? You can't call crackheads exotic wildlife as much as you can't call graffitti fine art.

Lol you sound you'd be fun to go on an "urban safari" with .

However I would say that tourists would use the line because when the hotels in Vancouver fill up, then the hotels in the rest of the Lower Mainland start filling up. Therefore hotels deep in Surrey and Langley actually become somewhat accessible for travellers.

[casper]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Who the hell goes to Surrey as a tourist? You can't call crackheads exotic wildlife as much as you can't call graffitti fine art.

Are you forgetting the globally respected and iconic BC Vintage Truck Museum.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Firebrand

https://www.straight.com/news/1165546/su...-mccallum-blowing-chance-create-bcs-most

This is the funniest thing I have read in a while. Thanks for the laugh

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by scryer

Lol you sound you'd be fun to go on an "urban safari" with .

However I would say that tourists would use the line because when the hotels in Vancouver fill up, then the hotels in the rest of the Lower Mainland start filling up. Therefore hotels deep in Surrey and Langley actually become somewhat accessible for travellers.

It would be nice to see some more hostels built on the Skytrain Stations. I agree though and have stayed in hotels outside of Paris, Berlin, etc but right next to a Major Station so I could still have access the amenities of the major city and save on my hotel expenses. The area around said hotels and general facilities also benefit from more traffic and all these businesses even the hotel mean jobs for people in the local economy.

[Firebrand]

Originally Posted by Trainguy

This article is a joke. Surrey is not the right fit for a street level train. People who use transit need to get where they are going as seamlessly as possible. Skytrain provides that.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

tl;dr - Light rail "feels" like a better choice than SkyTrain. Been there, heard that. Next!

The people who keep writing articles like this are beating a dead horse. They'd rather be in denial than admitting that their precious Surrey streetcar was burned to the ground, otherwise they'll look like idiots if they keep doing this.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

does anyone really consider The Straight media though? more of a blog then real news

[Rico]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i don't get how all these people can be hit, especially on platforms. i just don't get that.

i get all the accidents with cars, peds, etc since the tracks intermingling with them.

I suspect 'unsuspicious' deaths on platforms are like our 'medical emergencies'.

[BirchTrain]

Originally Posted by Firebrand

The people who keep writing articles like this are beating a dead horse. They'd rather be in denial than admitting that their precious Surrey streetcar was burned to the ground, otherwise they'll look like idiots if they keep doing this.

I just can’t understand why they think SkyTrain guideways are so ugly they must go with some other technology because their poor eyes can’t handle it.

Does the author think that the new city hall, City Centre library, Civic Hotel, SFU, and residential developments would’ve been there if not for SkyTrain? He isn’t going on the defensive saying that light rail would attract development too, instead he is attacking SkyTrain.

If Innovia Metro guideways are too intrusive, then let’s go with monorail. Slender beams surely look better than SkyTrain guideways, amirite?

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Surrey isn't viewed internationally the same way it is locally. Tourists may well go to Surrey just as much as anywhere else in the region.

Really? Where exactly in Surrey do these tourists go? White Rock is the only place I can think of that might be a tourist draw, and it's not even in Surrey.

When you claim international recognition for Surrey I wonder if you're mistakenly thinking of the district in Britain...

[Firebrand]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Really? Where exactly in Surrey do these tourists go? White Rock is the only place I can think of that might be a tourist draw, and it's not even in Surrey.

When you claim international recognition for Surrey I wonder if you're mistakenly thinking of the district in Britain...

I just read a tweet from the City of Surrey regarding the cancellation of LRT. Some tweets below are just full of cringe.

a big $$$ bonus to Langley & others ...as well as the investors (and soon to be investors) along the Fraser Highway corridor with the now upcoming re-zoning of the detached neighbourhoods ... a continued bedroom community Surrey will be... they had a world-class plan ... gone

A lot of comments seem to shun smaller town centers because Newton is the biggest one, so it deserves SkyTrain and not Fleetwood, Cloverdale or Langley.

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Really? Where exactly in Surrey do these tourists go? White Rock is the only place I can think of that might be a tourist draw, and it's not even in Surrey.

When you claim international recognition for Surrey I wonder if you're mistakenly thinking of the district in Britain...

Well Crescent Beach, Ocean Park hoods are nice. Plus world class golf courses like Northview and Morgan Creek.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by flipper316

Well Crescent Beach, Ocean Park hoods are nice. Plus world class golf courses like Northview and Morgan Creek.

I think it's a pretty minuscule minority of tourists that have heard of Crescent Beach - it's pretty much exclusive to the locals. Not so sure about golf, though, so I'll give you that.

[Trainguy]

Originally Posted by Firebrand

I just read a tweet from the City of Surrey regarding the cancellation of LRT. Some tweets below are just full of cringe.



A lot of comments seem to shun smaller town centers because Newton is the biggest one, so it deserves SkyTrain and not Fleetwood, Cloverdale or Langley.

"This is Sky train for Langley not Surrey. Passing through low density areas and many areas of Surrey that can't even be developed for residential. Sky train to Newton Exchange should be first priority. Rapid transit for Surrey should make Surrey itself more interconnect."

I think this poster has it wrong. It isn't rapid transit for Surrey alone. This system serves the whole region and that is where Surrey 1st got it wrong. Regional money should serve the whole region and not some inner-city pet project. Good on the voters for rejecting it.

[BirchTrain]

This is Sky train for Langley not Surrey.

Uh huh. I see 2 stations in the Langley’s. The rest are in Surrey. :

Also Newton and Guildford are not getting left out, if Option 2 passes. Translink will look at an enhanced 96 B-Line for the SNG corridor.

[Firebrand]

Originally Posted by BirchTrain

Uh huh. I see 2 stations in the Langley’s. The rest are in Surrey. :

Also Newton and Guildford are not getting left out, if Option 2 passes. Translink will look at an enhanced 96 B-Line for the SNG corridor.

The problem is that Newton residents see BRT as a third rate option, and would rather have the train. They're being the loudmouths in this case, but they forget that BRT will extend further south to White Rock, something that the LRT plan would never go. The BRT is an upgrade of the current 96 B-Line; the LRT was nothing but a duplicate of the current route but with minimal service improvements.

[Galaxy]

The people complaining also don't see that once the extensions for UBC are done and the Surrey/Langley extension is also complete that this BRT line would probably be next up as a contender for a future Subway using Skytrain technology and therefore the residents in the area will get a better technology that benefits them in the long run.