HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > United States > Mountain West


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #3921  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 1:01 AM
wong21fr's Avatar
wong21fr wong21fr is offline
Reluctant Hobbesian
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Denver
Posts: 13,126
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meliorem View Post
That is great news for Denver.

Maybe we'll see something similar to Amacon's The Park Residences in Mississauga.

If a design like this is used I will buy everyone on the Denver thread a shot of Canadian whiskey at Shelby’s.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3922  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 1:56 AM
Ich Ich is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dirt View Post
Rendering for anyone that cares about Aurora development in a Denver development thread:

https://www.aurorahousing.org/development/current-development-projects/
Is there an Aurora development thread?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3923  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 2:12 AM
semiurban semiurban is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Denver
Posts: 61
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ich View Post
Is there an Aurora development thread?
It is part of the Pueblo thread:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=215601
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3924  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 2:17 AM
Ich Ich is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by semiurban View Post
Lol

I always figured that was for stuff out side of the Den metro area but thanks!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3925  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 6:29 AM
Denver Dweller Denver Dweller is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 828
Unless someone has changed the "rules", this thread has always been for metro Denver area projects.

Last edited by Denver Dweller; Nov 7, 2018 at 7:09 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3926  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 3:38 PM
CherryCreek's Avatar
CherryCreek CherryCreek is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Denver
Posts: 897
Another election has come and gone and Colorado continues to morph into something new. Was glad to see the property compensation and set back initiatives fail.

The complete takeover of the state government by the Dems and Coffman's loss was not surprising to me. The Demographics of Colorado aligned with changes happening nationwide, with a decline in support among educated whites for Trump and Republicans.


According to exit polls, 61 percent of non-college-educated white voters cast their ballots for Republicans while just 45 percent of college-educated white voters did so. Meanwhile 53 percent of college-educated white voters cast their votes for Democrats compared with 37 percent of those without a degree.


https://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar...n-gap-explains-american-politics/575113/

One recent ranking had Colorado ranked 2nd behind Massachusetts for educational attainment.

https://wallethub.com/edu/most-educated-states/31075/#methodology


Of course, Colorado voters, as they tend to do, rejected efforts to tax (or to borrow) to support various initiatives.

Thus, its a mixed message from the voters to Dems: We love your ideas, but make sure they don't cost anything!!! Lol.

More substantively, what could have been a huge advantage for Democrats going forward - the ability to gerrymander - was taken away by the same election that put them in full power. It will be interesting to see how the independent redistricting commissions work. One objective is to make as many competitive districts as possible and to take away the power of politicians to "rig" elections to assure their own jobs. I love all of that, in principle, but I voted against the anti-gerrymandering law because to me it makes no sense to me to apply such principles only in some states but not all. As a progressive, my fear is that progressive states will adopt such reasonable "good government" approaches to re-redistricting and red states won't. (Though Missouri also adopted "redistricting reform" yesterday.)

As far the impact of all of this on the topic of this website - development, that will be interesting to see. With TABOR and the voters' clear preference to not pay for things, it might not really have that big of an impact. Exceptions might be in areas of alternative fuels and health care, but even then, hands are tied in many ways.

Are there any other development-impacting issues that the Democrats are likely to take on now that their efforts can't be stopped by a Republican senate? Any time a party gains full power they typically "over reach" which of course plants the seeds for their loss of power in the next cycle.

The coming 2020 census and redistricting will set the course of the next decade, politically. The redistricting will have to take into account the huge uptick in population on the Northern Front range, further skewing the balance of power to urban Colorado.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3927  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 3:57 PM
Matt's Avatar
Matt Matt is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: New York, NY / Denver, CO
Posts: 2,017
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipDDG View Post
Hey Matt, you might want to check your information sources. Indeed, DIA does have the gate capacity to handle an A380 (see flydenver.com or the Denver International Airport Facebook page). Also, Denver's Summit of the Eight took place in 1997, and Tony Blair landed and took off from DIA in a British Airways Concorde. Local news sources such as the Denver Post have pics.

I have a big-A pair of binoculars and have watched the Air France A380 fly over Denver a few times enroute from LAX to CDG. Sure wish I had known it was coming into Denver when it did.
Yes, you are absolutely right. For some reason, I was thinking back to a picture I saw from World Youth Day in 1993 when the Pope arrived at Stapleton in an Alitalia 747 (another first and only for Denver) and somehow confused the events. But you are correct, the Summit of the Eight was in 1997 and we also saw some other foreign tails including Air China. Must have been a really exciting time to be an aviation geek in Denver.

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3928  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 4:57 PM
TakeFive's Avatar
TakeFive TakeFive is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,448
Quote:
Originally Posted by CherryCreek View Post
Another election has come and gone and Colorado continues to morph into something new. Was glad to see the property compensation and set back initiatives fail.

The complete takeover of the state government by the Dems and Coffman's loss was not surprising to me. The Demographics of Colorado aligned with changes happening nationwide, with a decline in support among educated whites for Trump and Republicans.
Your liberal elitist colors are showing. It's fair to say there are plenty of low information voters in each party. In any case I don't care to talk about national politics.

Is Colorado trending liberal? Yes, but it's worth pointing out that Dems were not the largest voting bloc in the election; that would belong to my group: Unaffiliated voters numbered 761,124 while Dems came in 2nd with 756,411 while Republicans numbered 749,936 (according to Denverite).

Quote:
Originally Posted by CherryCreek View Post
More substantively, what could have been a huge advantage for Democrats going forward - the ability to gerrymander - was taken away by the same election that put them in full power.
Even bright red Arizona utilizes a bi- or nonpartisan commision to redraw voting districts. It's a Godsend for the minority party. It's also smart government.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CherryCreek View Post
As far the impact of all of this on the topic of this website - development, that will be interesting to see.

Are there any other development-impacting issues that the Democrats are likely to take on now that their efforts can't be stopped by a Republican senate?
I told the story recently at a 'family gathering' that if you put me in a room full of business-Republicans and business-Dems I'll have a great time. But put me into a room of either ideological Dems or Republicans and I'll just go stand in the corner.

It will be up to the business Dems, if there's enough, to mitigate all of the business-unfriendly proposals that come from the left. Hickenlooper was a very business friendly leader who balanced that with his more liberal sentiments. I have no idea how Jared Polis will govern.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3929  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 5:17 PM
TakeFive's Avatar
TakeFive TakeFive is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,448
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denver Dweller View Post
Unless someone has changed the "rules", this thread has always been for metro Denver area projects.
Basically I'd agree.

It's fair to say that the 'primary' focus is the urban core ie downtown. For those who prefer to be territorial Denver means City of; for those who realize 'political' boundaries are merely arbitrary, Denver means the metro area.

I apply my own standards. For example, anything inside of I-225 is generally more urban, defined more loosely as 'older'. The fact that Old Aurora is older and more urban than 'new' Aurora is a distinction I would make as to where I might post. I would think of anything inside of Wadsworth similarly.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3930  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 7:25 PM
HighSt. HighSt. is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by rds70 View Post
Amacon has submitted a Site Development Plan application for the 18th and Glenarm project. They are moving pretty fast, as they just got Concept Plan approval a few weeks ago.



The project was originally planned with 39 and 30 story towers and 478 units, so one tower got a floor shorter, the other one 2 floors taller and they lost one unit.
Does anyone know what kind of capital had to be put together and planning had to be done for the Ghost Building to move across town in the '70s? I think Shelby's is worth a similar effort.

What a Faustian bargain to lose the one human-scaled building in this area to development, while acres of parking next door remain bereft of development proposals.

My nightmare is that the Canadians clear the land and their financing falls though before they can break ground. Isn't this how Denver lost the Metropole/Cosmopolitan on the block across Broadway? According to some other oral history, this is also how the sea of parking lots around Trinity Church came to be: during the 80's oil boom, developers put all the pieces in place to create multiple high-rises on these blocks and demolished everything in anticipation of a groundbreaking that never arrived. I would be crushed if Shelby's was lost for nothing.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3931  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 7:31 PM
Cirrus's Avatar
Cirrus Cirrus is offline
cities|transit|croissants
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 18,718
There's no specific rule, and certainly no hard geographic boundary for which projects belong in which thread. If folks would like to create such a rule, we could implement one. We could also continue to be laissez faire about moderating, but edit one of the thread titles to clarify where suburban projects are most welcome.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3932  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 8:11 PM
wong21fr's Avatar
wong21fr wong21fr is offline
Reluctant Hobbesian
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Denver
Posts: 13,126
Quote:
Originally Posted by HighSt. View Post
Does anyone know what kind of capital had to be put together and planning had to be done for the Ghost Building to move across town in the '70s? I think Shelby's is worth a similar effort.
Well, it would either have been the 7-11 or Shelby's that ended up on the chopping block to develop the sea of parking lots on that block. But only one had a landowner (Anschutz) interested in selling. The other side is owned by one of Denver's beloved absentee landlords. Ultimately, I think that the institution of Shelby's is what makes it human-scaled and worth saving, but the building is far less worthy of effort. If Shelby's can ink a new lease somewhere, maybe Brookfield would be down with letting them use the old Duffy's space, I'd call it good.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3933  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 8:30 PM
BG918's Avatar
BG918 BG918 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,554
Quote:
Originally Posted by HighSt. View Post
My nightmare is that the Canadians clear the land and their financing falls though before they can break ground. Isn't this how Denver lost the Metropole/Cosmopolitan on the block across Broadway? According to some other oral history, this is also how the sea of parking lots around Trinity Church came to be: during the 80's oil boom, developers put all the pieces in place to create multiple high-rises on these blocks and demolished everything in anticipation of a groundbreaking that never arrived. I would be crushed if Shelby's was lost for nothing.
Same thing happened with Great Gulf and 1401 Lawrence. It ended up getting developed about 6 years later and switched from a 40 story condo tower to a 20 story office tower.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3934  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 11:26 PM
mojiferous mojiferous is offline
Landbarge Captain
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Denver
Posts: 478
Quote:
Originally Posted by HighSt. View Post
Does anyone know what kind of capital had to be put together and planning had to be done for the Ghost Building to move across town in the '70s? I think Shelby's is worth a similar effort.
I would disagree about the building - it's not really that distinct or interesting to make it worth moving - but I bet you could certainly transfer the sign and some of the interior to just about any other storefront in town and recreate Shelby's pretty faithfully.

Or you could fight tooth and nail to save a single-story bar only to foil any potential redevelopment and end up preserving not only the bar but the sea of parking too. The danger of the developer pulling out after seeing a legal fight brewing over a meh building is probably greater than the danger of the market falling out right after they tear down the bar.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3935  
Old Posted Nov 8, 2018, 3:00 PM
Robert.hampton Robert.hampton is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 491
Downtown Corporate headquarters:

https://davispartnership.com/projects/downtown-corporate-headquarters/

Not sure how to post the renderings. Anyone know what this could be for? Obvious guesses would be VF Corp or Amazon but they both seem out. Looks somewhere in the RiNO area.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3936  
Old Posted Nov 8, 2018, 3:04 PM
Robert.hampton Robert.hampton is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 491
El Jebel Temple update:
El Jebel Temple
Status: Under Review
Address: 1770 Sherman St
Log Number: 2018PM0000199
Submitted Date: 11/2/2018
Proposed Use: Other
Proposed Height: 107'
Proposed Stories: 5
Council District: 10

Seems to be just for the renovation of the existing building?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3937  
Old Posted Nov 8, 2018, 3:19 PM
wong21fr's Avatar
wong21fr wong21fr is offline
Reluctant Hobbesian
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Denver
Posts: 13,126
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert.hampton View Post
Downtown Corporate headquarters:

https://davispartnership.com/projects/downtown-corporate-headquarters/

Not sure how to post the renderings. Anyone know what this could be for? Obvious guesses would be VF Corp or Amazon but they both seem out. Looks somewhere in the RiNO area.
This is for Denver Water’s campus, I don’t think that Davis’ design was selected.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3938  
Old Posted Nov 8, 2018, 4:52 PM
BG918's Avatar
BG918 BG918 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,554
Quote:
Originally Posted by wong21fr View Post
This is for Denver Water’s campus, I don’t think that Davis’ design was selected.
Correct it was RNL.

http://rnldesign.com/projects/denver-water-campus-redevelopment/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3939  
Old Posted Nov 8, 2018, 9:08 PM
HighSt. HighSt. is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by mojiferous View Post
... I bet you could certainly transfer the sign and some of the interior to just about any other storefront in town and recreate Shelby's pretty faithfully...The danger of the developer pulling out after seeing a legal fight brewing over a meh building is probably greater than the danger of the market falling out right after they tear down the bar.
I was being facetious about the actual structure, just had to make a joke out of the Ghost building and how much I'll miss the insane Shelby's vibe. But I would be happy if some of the interior could be saved.

Now it looks like we're set up for a test to see if Davis Partnership, the architect the Canadians have hired, can produce something uglier than the steaming early '00s pile that is One Lincoln Park. Given how bad 1776 Curtis/"The Quincy" turned out, it's gonna be a close race!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3940  
Old Posted Nov 8, 2018, 9:25 PM
DenvertoLA DenvertoLA is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 391
One Lincoln Park isn't bad. It doesn't have a flat roof and isn't brown. That's A winning ticket for Denver.

Here's a quote from a denverite article that gives a first glance at Amacon's desired timeline.

"Shelby’s owner Howard Nelson said his new landlord hasn’t given him a timeline for when he’ll need to vacate, except to say that he’ll be able to stay through the next Super Bowl, in early February."

https://businessden.com/2018/11/08/canad...76Hi22BZ6CI33FrIVbaMkF54ZlBhN8TmC31KoQis
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > United States > Mountain West
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:54 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.