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Old Posted Jul 5, 2018, 5:32 PM
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Moved from Trillium Line South LRT Extension (Stage 2) thread

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Didn't they design this thing before extension to Barrhaven was in the plans?
They designed the western split before the extension From Bayshore to Moodie (let alone Kanata) was in the plans. Both the Kanata and Barrhaven extensions were in the Ultimate Network plan, but neither was expected any time soon.

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I think it would make more sense to send direct trains to Bayshore (and Kanata, once phase 3 is built)
While the Kanata extension will likely get built first, the Barrhaven one won't be far behind. Also, while Kanata/Stittsville might be larger than Barrhaven, you have to factor in the demand at other stations south and west of Lincoln Fields as well. You also need to factor in the demographics and who will be using it late at night when it will be operating in transfer mode.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2018, 5:35 PM
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Didn't they design this thing before extension to Barrhaven was in the plans?
I think it would make more sense to send direct trains to Bayshore (and Kanata, once phase 3 is built)
While comparing configuration and operation of Lincoln Fields Station to South Keys station was on topic, this is getting off topic, so I replied in the Western Corridor LRT Extension EA - Bayview to Baseline/Moodie thread.
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But for real this could be a very cool station in terms of design, excited to see what happens
Here's a preliminary design concept. It's consistent with Stage 1 station designs so the final design will probably look quite similar.


http://www.baywardlive.ca/western_li...il_stage_2_lrt
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There's more information and renderings about Lincoln Fields here: http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/u...n_20170322.pdf
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Here's a preliminary design concept. It's consistent with Stage 1 station designs so the final design will probably look quite similar.


http://www.baywardlive.ca/western_li...il_stage_2_lrt
I never have... and probably never will understand why Ottawa thinks that a MAJOR rail transfer point should be surrounded by trees, grass and pathways.

**** and MODs... can we please move this conversation to the "Western Corrider LRT... " thread.
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I never have... and probably never will understand why Ottawa thinks that a MAJOR rail transfer point should be surrounded by trees, grass and pathways.
First of all, it is NCC land so it will be a park, so we might as well replace some of the trees that have to be cut down to relocate the station.

Secondly, despite what the planners say, it won’t be a major transfer station as there will probably only be 2or 3 bus routes that go to Lincoln Fields station. I would argue that New Orchard will have as many, if not more bus/LRT transfers. As for the LRT/LRT transfers, people will be just walking across the platform, so who cares what the station looks like or where it is located.
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There's more information and renderings about Lincoln Fields here: http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/u...n_20170322.pdf
Thanks! Never seen that one. For those who don't know, there are renderings of Cleary, New Orchard and the west tunnel portal that are not otherwise published (as far as I can tell) by the City.

EDIT: Went through the PDF. They mark Lincoln Fields west side platform as a "future platform" on page 31.

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From p.4 of the pdf: "Circular circles" should not be used to show "convenient walking distance". Very inaccurate.


What is the backyard to backyard walking distance between properties across the fenced train track?
And then you wonder why people need a car to visit their neighbors.
(disconnected neighborhoods do not contribute positively to a city)
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From p.4 of the pdf: "Circular circles" should not be used to show "convenient walking distance". Very inaccurate.
I agree. The way Gatineau did their walking distances is much better

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What is the backyard to backyard walking distance between properties across the fenced train track?
And then you wonder why people need a car to visit their neighbors.
(disconnected neighborhoods do not contribute positively to a city)
I’m not quite sure how this relates to the topic at hand. I agree that surface rail can provide a physical barrier, but between Dominion and Lincoln Fields will be mostly tunnel so it won’t be a barrier.
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I never have... and probably never will understand why Ottawa thinks that a MAJOR rail transfer point should be surrounded by trees, grass and pathways.
Because pretty!

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I agree. The way Gatineau did their walking distances is much better
The way Gatineau did theirs should damn well be mandatory, City of Ottawa staff who lurk on this forum.
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On the way downtown this morning I noticed that crews were assembled in just east of Westboro Station to take down the decommissioned bridge over the Transitway. I assume this is preparation work for Stage 2 LRT
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On the way downtown this morning I noticed that crews were assembled in just east of Westboro Station to take down the decommissioned bridge over the Transitway. I assume this is preparation work for Stage 2 LRT
Good Day.

Yup. Lots of little pieces to put into place along the Scott St. trench.
Getting an early start, like for the Byron Linear Park section and tree transplanting.

Reference: Stage2LRT website, pdf (45 pg.),
April 4 2017, Tunney’s Pasture to Dominion Station – Traffic and Transit Detours:

http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/u...esentation.pdf

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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 3:55 PM
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I don't see how demolishing that bridge helps the detours set to take place in 2021. If anything, it will hinders the functionality of the Transitway for a couple of years. Seems most of the new temporary infrastructure will be close to Dominion, and nothing more than a possible road widening the rest of Scott Street.
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Relocate, don't germinate: How Ottawa saves trees in the path of the LRT

Kieran Delamont, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: August 17, 2018




Most city infrastructure projects are, at first, destruction events: to build anything, you often have to remove what’s already there. Sometimes this is controversial, as when people are involved; other times, it is as simple as pushing dirt around.

So as plans for Phase 2 of the city’s major light rail project begin to take shape, a seemingly simple question arose: What do you do with the trees that are in the way of the planned route?

A host of politicians — Mayor Jim Watson, Carleton MPP Goldie Ghamari, Ottawa West—Nepean MP Anita Vandenbeld — descended upon Woodroffe Park on Friday to announce that, with the help of a $25,000 grant from Tree Canada, the city was able to transplant 50 trees from Byron Linear Park, in Westboro, and replant them at a handful of parks in the city’s west end, including Woodroffe.

It may look complicated — in part because of the tree spade, a giant Transformer-esque machine they use to do it — but really it isn’t. Ken Stevens, president of Manotick Tree Movers, said tree transplanting is essentially a three-step process that starts with digging a hole.

“We dig the hole, we go get the tree and bring it right to the hole. We put it right in, and it fits perfectly,” said Stevens.

Specialized equipment like the tree spade makes the process easier, although there are limitations to their machinery, said Stevens, which can handle trees of up to nine inches in diameter. Any bigger, and more engineering-heavy solutions would be needed.

Ideally, after a couple of growing seasons, a thriving transplanted tree looks no different than any other tree on the property. The name of the game, for tree transplanting, is to see the tree thrive, not just survive.

It’s a surprisingly simple process that doesn’t happen often, according to Marie-Paule Godin, operations manager with Tree Canada.

“It’s not that common, but it is becoming a bit more common now, because there’s more research and studies showing you can do it efficiently,” she said. But cities, with tight margins and budget constraints, often depend on grants like the one announced on Friday to be able to do it.

“Funding for cities with their green canopies is very restricted, because they don’t get any funding from the provincial or federal government to help them,” she said. “Municipalities are alone with their tax base to do everything with trees.”

Why move a tree in the first place? Often, said Evelyn Stevens, manager of Manotick Tree Movers, it’s for sentimental reasons: families want to bring trees with them, vestiges of the place they used to be but are no longer.

When it comes to city projects like this, Ken Stevens takes a more utilitarian tack: relocating trees that might otherwise be destroyed is just cheaper.

“You’re saving time and money. Some of the trees we relocated would have costed $2,000 to purchase … when we’re moving it with the tree spade, it’s only $100 in some cases,” he said.

For both of them, though, it comes down to a pretty simple question: why kill a tree, if you don’t absolutely have to?

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-save-a-tree-2
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The way Gatineau did theirs should damn well be mandatory, City of Ottawa staff who lurk on this forum.
While the way Gatinau did it is best, I was reading on Human Transit that using right angled diamonds (instead of circles) is a decent compromise, assuming your streets and paths at least approximately resemble a grid. It isn't perfect (since most streets don't form a perfect grid) but a lot easier than what Gatineau did.
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While the way Gatinau did it is best, I was reading on Human Transit that using right angled diamonds (instead of circles) is a decent compromise, assuming your streets and paths at least approximately resemble a grid. It isn't perfect (since most streets don't form a perfect grid) but a lot easier than what Gatineau did.
If anyone here thinks they are using distance circles at the planning level, they are mistaken. While they might show up at the consultation level because of a perhaps unfounded fear of confusion, the City of Ottawa does have ArcGIS and people who know how to use it, including for this very purpose.
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Stage 2 LRT contract decision delayed til early 2019, but construction should still start in the summer
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