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Old Posted Oct 12, 2018, 8:42 PM
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Another A350 for YVR.

Hong Kong Airlines putting the A350 on the daily YVR-HKG route from 14 Dec 2018 - 19 Feb 2019. Pretty bit capacity boost up from the 332.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...schedules-a350-vancouver-service-in-w18/
Hopefully we see them bring it back again for S19.

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I was so curious about how the DUB flight and the extra 3x weekly flight will go, so I gathered all the mainline long-hual frequency changes from AC:
Curious as to how you pulled all the data, do you have a script, or just a lot of time on your hands?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2018, 9:14 PM
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LH to MUC is going A346 next summer though. Addition of first class service. Similar seat count.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...nsa-s19-long-haul-changes-as-of-10oct18/
Awesome! I love this beast and miss the days working on the ramp at YVR and watching it taxi out.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2018, 12:33 AM
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Awesome! I love this beast and miss the days working on the ramp at YVR and watching it taxi out.
Yes. Nice shape! Very sleek... another plane getting rarer and rarer these days.

And the return of F class on the route.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2018, 12:47 AM
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Yes. And you don't have to call me a pro....

https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/company/alliances/joint-ventures.html

As for Swiss taking over, it's a long shot. Swiss doesn't do seasonal long haul.
Well you are a pro aren't you? Don't you work in the aviation industry in some capacity?

Don't misconstrue my acknowledgement of your bias towards YUL as a slight to your industry knowledge, I'm well aware you are quite informed.

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Yes. Nice shape! Very sleek... another plane getting rarer and rarer these days.
It's only until August though, so not sure if it'll stick around all summer.

Either way very happy to see such a graceful plane back.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2018, 2:56 AM
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YVR has a fantastic array of different aircraft flying to Europe.

Next summer will have 388, 744, 346, 343, 332, 789, 788, 75W, 772, 763

At this time there will be 103 flights per week to Europe to 10 airports on 11 carriers.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2018, 5:13 AM
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saw this on facebook today

Air Canada Increases Frequency to Popular Destinations in 2019
October 12, 2018 · Clayton Wong

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Seeing the world just got easier.

This week, Air Canada announced four new changes to their YVR network of weekly flights. Beginning in 2019, increased service to India, Australia, Switzerland, and Japan will allow for more non-stop opportunities to fly from Vancouver around the globe.
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The expansion of Air Canada’s services to Vancouver marks another important step in the growth of YVR’s biggest carrier. In 2017, Air Canada grew by 8.9% at YVR, bringing an additional 956,000 passengers through Vancouver. Since then, they have launched five new international destinations and four new U.S. destinations at YVR: Paris, Frankfurt, Melbourne, Taipei, Zurich, Boston, Denver, Dallas and Sacramento.
http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2018/air-canada-increases-frequency-to-popular-destinations-in-2019
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2018, 6:07 PM
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Well you are a pro aren't you? Don't you work in the aviation industry in some capacity?
I thought he was a bald-faced shill for Air Canada, The Caisse, and Quebec.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2018, 6:38 PM
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AC must be pretty happy with YVR to expand to 4 different parts of the world.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2018, 8:30 PM
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Well you are a pro aren't you? Don't you work in the aviation industry in some capacity?

Don't misconstrue my acknowledgement of your bias towards YUL as a slight to your industry knowledge, I'm well aware you are quite informed.
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I was joking. I don't consider myself a pro. Yes I like to stay informed, but the information doesn't come to me through secretive channels. I go get the information. Yes on occasion, I do get a local scoop about something, but other than that, I am no more informed than the rest of you.

A lot of questions can be answered with a quick search over the internet. All you have to do is look for it.

I read, stay informed, and know where to find the information I am looking for. That's all.


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I thought he was a bald-faced shill for Air Canada, The Caisse, and Quebec.
0 for 5.

Not bald, nor a shill, nor do I work for AC, the Caisse or Quebec....
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2018, 1:04 AM
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AC must be pretty happy with YVR to expand to 4 different parts of the world.
Looking at AC's YVR expansion over the past three years has been nothing short of remarkable. I think the WS expansion at YYC will only further strengthen and consolidate AC's hub at YVR. YVR's advantage over YYC is a much larger significant O&D.. not only for VFR and tourism but also a significantly larger premium base.

Of course WS will try and funnel YVR traffic through YYC which WS will no doubt be depending on to make these new routes work. WS is definitely going to depend on connecting traffic to make these new routes work. That by nature automatically puts pressure on yields from the get go.
Look at the pattern of long haul international flights out of YYC over the last 7 years.... it indicates how tricky long haul international is out of there.
Not just to Europe but Asia as well.

To Europe:
TS has reduced YYC to just 3 weekly LGW and 1 weekly AMS. TS has also reduced YVR but certainly not as much by maintaining many routes YYC lost. YVR does lose one weekly to GLA.
LH dropped YYC-FRA - meanwhile YVR gained daily MUC and a second daily FRA (on AC).
BA suspending YYC-LHR (temporarily at least) on its smallest long-haul aircraft - YVR gains an A380
AC has basically kept YYC stagnant over the last few years and have wound back services on many routes within North America. They basically only serve the two largest markets U.K. (Still by far #1) and Germany. YVR gained CDG, ZRH, DUB, second daily LHR and FRA as mentioned above.
DE, WK and KL have remained basically stagnant as well over the last few years. While all serving YVR with more frequencies except KL where YVR and YYC are equal in summer but YYC remains daily year round. However, it appears KL is rolling back YYC service back to a 333 - fewer and not fully flat J class whereas YVR back to their 772 larger J and fully lie flat.

And to Asia:
AC suspending NRT
HU reducing PEK to just 2 weekly.
YYC to Asia will have just 2 weekly flights to Asia this winter.

Meanwhile YVR has expanded to Asia/South Pacific all over the shop.

Of course some passengers will be lost to WS via YYC. The low hanging fruit lowest fare buckets may actually stimulate more travel.
But it's technically Westjet's game to lose as it gambles on building up YYC.
YYC's advantage over YVR to Europe of course is and always will be geography.
YVR's advantage over YYC to Asia of course is and always will be geography.... but YVR's much larger O&D base is more pronounced to Asia/Pacific.
I wouldn't be surprised if AC further winds back YYC and as I said at the beginning consolidates even more at YVR. YVR's strengths will probably help this work in the long run: continuing to grow, a strong economy and the lowest unemployment rate in the country.

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Old Posted Oct 14, 2018, 3:26 AM
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Johnny, while connecting traffic is definitely needed to help the YYC to Europe flights, what are your thoughts on if and when WestJet eventually starts China? I assume they’ll fly out of YVR as I can’t see many people backtracking to YYC to fly to Asia. Similar to their Hawaiian operation.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2018, 5:15 AM
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Johnny, while connecting traffic is definitely needed to help the YYC to Europe flights, what are your thoughts on if and when WestJet eventually starts China? I assume they’ll fly out of YVR as I can’t see many people backtracking to YYC to fly to Asia. Similar to their Hawaiian operation.
The YVR-Asia market is just ginormous... especially China.

That cannot be ignored and would have to be factored in to any decisions made.

Again... looking at YYC-Asia, their NRT route is being suspended for 5 months and they can’t even maintain 3 weekly YYC-PEK in the winter (this drops to twice weekly for 5 months). This is more a reflection on O&D. If WS were to attempt YYC-PEK or YYC-PVG they definitely would be able to grab connections from all over Canada but the fact the largest market by far in Western Canada, YVR, is to the west makes that route that much trickier. YVR is also well connected to all the major markets domestically and to Asia on AC. In addition YVR is one of the most connected cities to the Asia Pacific in North America and by far the best of any city even remotely close in size. YYZ is also very well connected to Asia so dragging passengers across on WS to connect would be a tough sell. They’d be better off attempting their own nonstop from YYZ. But probably unlikely they would.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2018, 6:23 PM
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The YVR-Asia market is just ginormous... especially China.

That cannot be ignored and would have to be factored in to any decisions made.

YVR-Asia is enormous, but the list of airlines that already serve that market is equally enormous, driving down yields (which are in the toilet right now, btw)

As you said, YYC-Asia is wide open. If WS were to enter, they would have that market pretty much to themselves, especially if AC quits YYC-NRT (I don't think they will, btw) Less competition on a market inevitably drives up yields. Connections will be a big factor to fill the planes though.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2018, 9:32 PM
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Yields North America —> Asia are trash. Not unique to YVR.

That certainly wouldn’t help an airline starting up into new long haul markets. And the fact they would be very reliant on connections adds further yield pressure.

There’s a reason why there are so few Asian flights from YYC.

WS would have YYC to themselves? The competition and plethora of one stop options from YYC via YVR to Asia is another huge factor.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2018, 9:42 PM
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I wonder when we will see the 1st of the new major routes that Yvr is supposed to have by 2020

according to the construction updates on YVR's website the pier D expansion will open in 2020. They are starting the steel work this month. I would assue the 4 remote stand gates will be will be open well before the bridged gates will.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2018, 6:25 AM
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Does Canada and Singapore have the bilateral where there are open skies between the two but only non-stop? If i recall, that was the main reason SQ left in the first place, they needed the ICN stopover (or anywhere else in Asia like NRT, HKG, or TPE) to make it work. They stated they never wanted to leave YVR and the demand was good, but forcing them in those days to go non-stop made the route almost impossible
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2018, 7:28 AM
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Does Canada and Singapore have the bilateral where there are open skies between the two but only non-stop? If i recall, that was the main reason SQ left in the first place, they needed the ICN stopover (or anywhere else in Asia like NRT, HKG, or TPE) to make it work. They stated they never wanted to leave YVR and the demand was good, but forcing them in those days to go non-stop made the route almost impossible
There's an agreement between Canada and Singapore but it is not an open skies. Meanwhile Canada does have an open skies agreement with South Korea for designated air carriers, which also includes fifth freedoms enabling onward travel of passengers and cargo, but the designated carriers include only Air Canada, Asiana, and Korean Air. Thus, SQ would not qualify to benefit under this agreement and would require the permission of formal notification by the Government of Canada or South Korea to include SQ (should SQ would want to fly ICN-YVR).

At the time, fleet restrictions and high fuel prices prohibit SQ from operating nonstop SIN-YVR. But now with the 787 (though I'm not sure if SQ's 787-10 range is possible, plus SQs 787s are configured in their "regional" configuration though still perfectly fine and competitive for long-haul), this may be much more possible.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2018, 2:08 PM
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At the time, fleet restrictions and high fuel prices prohibit SQ from operating nonstop SIN-YVR. But now with the 787 (though I'm not sure if SQ's 787-10 range is possible, plus SQs 787s are configured in their "regional" configuration though still perfectly fine and competitive for long-haul), this may be much more possible.
The 787-10 cannot do SIN-YVR.

If it were to happen, SQ would need to use the A350-900. They no longer have fleet restrictions, but fuel prices are up again. The longer they wait, the less likely they are to start YVR. At this point, I doubt they will. They wanted to resume non stop to LAX and EWR. They have. I think their north american plans have been realized, for now.
     
     
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Spent a bit of time looking at AC’s longhaul schedule for next summer and came to the conclusion YVR’s not done yet.

The days rouge doesn’t operate YVR-DUB means there are three frequencies available to possibly have a new route. Whether this stays rouge or moves to mainline is a mystery.

Why I think YVR-DUB is sticking around? When they reduced the flight from 5 weekly to 4 weekly in the system. If they were going to chop this route they wouldn’t have reduced it by one day per week they would have just chopped it altogether like NGO. KIX, CDG and ZRH will rotate through two 788s.
So what happens? Start another route (or 2)? Base one aircraft in YVR? Don’t want a plane sitting on the ground for over 24 hours!

And then there’s YVR-MEL.... is there slack in the schedule? Don’t want planes sitting on the ground all day do we now!
     
     
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