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Old Posted Oct 10, 2018, 6:52 PM
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Yeah, this is one where I highly doubt both parties are looking at it seriously.

YVR may be looking at it but I doubt AC is. It's taken this bloody long for someone to even have an attempt at YVR-DEL and only seasonal three weekly. You will see AC daily year round before even an attempt would be made for YVR-BOM. And my first point is a long way off.
Hmm well I believe AC YVR-DEL is now seasonal daily (or pretty damn close)....

Given how quickly AC took YVR-DEL year round they must be happy, perhaps YVR-BOM could be looked at in the next 3-4 years. The lack of new frames is an issue but with the 330s coming in they could pull one dreamliner off Europe to run a seasonal 3x PW. Utilization of winder widebodies is tough so it's not totally nuts.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2018, 7:04 PM
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Hmm well I believe AC YVR-DEL is now seasonal daily (or pretty damn close)....

Given how quickly AC took YVR-DEL year round they must be happy, perhaps YVR-BOM could be looked at in the next 3-4 years. The lack of new frames is an issue but with the 330s coming in they could pull one dreamliner off Europe to run a seasonal 3x PW. Utilization of winder widebodies is tough so it's not totally nuts.
YVR-DEL is a huge market. YVR-BOM is not.

YYZ-DEL is much larger than YVR but YYZ-BOM is closer to YYZ-DEL.

I am pleasantly surprised they are going daily in the summer as YVR-DEL is very seasonal with much heavier loads late autumn to early spring.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2018, 7:07 PM
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2018, 11:04 PM
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Confirmation of WS 787s for YYC, which should solidfy their hub against AC

CBC News: WestJet's first 3 long-haul Dreamliners will fly direct between Calgary and Europe.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/westjet-dreamliners-calgary-hub-1.4856849
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2018, 12:41 AM
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Confirmation of WS 787s for YYC, which should solidfy their hub against AC

CBC News: WestJet's first 3 long-haul Dreamliners will fly direct between Calgary and Europe.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/westjet-dreamliners-calgary-hub-1.4856849
The article also mentioned new routes to South America. Would that be out of YVR or YYC?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2018, 1:43 AM
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The article also mentioned new routes to South America. Would that be out of YVR or YYC?
Probably YYZ given they seem to be solidifying their western hub at YYC, and it's unlikely to see South American flights from there.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2018, 3:49 AM
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Probably YYZ given they seem to be solidifying their western hub at YYC, and it's unlikely to see South American flights from there.
In that case, they'd be competing head-to-head with AC, which covers major destinations in South America (Rio and Caracas having recently been dropped)
On a WS chart posted somewhere earlier this year, I noticed routes from YVR to Lima and Santiago. Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part, but I hope it comes about.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2018, 3:59 AM
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On a WS chart posted somewhere earlier this year, I noticed routes from YVR to Lima and Santiago. Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part, but I hope it comes about.
I think that chart was meant to demonstrate the range of possibilities of 787 routes from Westjet’s Hubs, not an official route announcement.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2018, 6:13 AM
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I think that chart was meant to demonstrate the range of possibilities of 787 routes from Westjet’s Hubs, not an official route announcement.
I’ve heard from fairly reliable sources that those are routes under consideration.
     
     
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YVR-South America would work, only once WS has a decent Asian network already built up. With only 10 dreamliners on order and 10 options, I would imagine South America out of YVR would only start when WS already has those 10 dreamliners delivered, and has already excercised their rights on those options.
     
     
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Quoting from the Canada section, looks like the increases to Melbourne and Zurich are confirmed, as is year round daily service to Delhi! Fantastic news and really incredible Delhi went daily so quickly, must be doing great.

Question for the pros, is Swiss part of the AC/LH joint venture? It would be great to see Swiss take over the Zurich route from AC, freeing up another dreamliner for a new route.

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"Air Canada to Increase YVR-Delhi Flights to Daily, Year-round; Expands Dreamliner Service From YVR to Several International Destinations in Summer 2019"

Melbourne service increases to four times weekly, year-round
Summer seasonal service to Zurich increases to five weekly flights

VANCOUVER, Oct. 11, 2018 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada announced today enhancements to four international routes from Vancouver, including increasing service to Delhi with daily flights on a year-round basis starting June 2, 2019.

An Air Canada Boeing 787 Dreamliner. (CNW Group/Air Canada)

In addition, Air Canada is increasing its non-stop Melbourne service to four times weekly year-round, and summer seasonal service to Zurich will increase to five flights a week. YVR-Osaka (Kansai) flights will be five times weekly from June to October next summer.

All flights will be operated with Air Canada's flagship Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft.

"We are pleased to increase our capacity to these important markets as we continue to strategically broaden our international network from our Vancouver hub. Customers have responded positively to our increasing service to Delhi and this flight will now operate daily on a year-round basis to meet demand. The addition of a fourth weekly flight to Melbourne, Australia's second largest city, year-round will provide further convenience to business and leisure travellers between North America and Australia, offering seamless connections thanks to the in-transit preclearance facilities at YVR. With Dreamliner service to Osaka and increased frequencies to Zurich, we are further strengthening our convenient network to European and Asian markets from YVR, reflecting demand between Canada and these destinations in the busy summer travel season," said Mark Galardo, Vice President, Network Planning at Air Canada.

"As B.C. expands its trade network into India, this daily, direct service between Vancouver to Delhi will help drive trade and partnerships, and expand the technology sectors in both of our countries," said Bruce Ralston, Minister of Jobs, Trade and Technology. "It will attract more people from India to our province and will open doors for Canadians to visit India for business and for tourism. We're excited for Air Canada and our partners at YVR as we continue to grow and diversify B.C.'s economy."

"It's fantastic to see Air Canada continuing to build out its hub and global network from YVR—especially with the incredible Dreamliner. Since the beginning of 2017 alone, Air Canada has launched five international destinations and four new U.S. destinations at YVR," said Craig Richmond, President and CEO, Vancouver Airport Authority. "The increased flights to Delhi, Melbourne and Zurich speaks to the continued strength of YVR's market and our goal to connect B.C. proudly to the world."

Connectivity:

All routes are timed to optimize connectivity at Air Canada's Vancouver hub to and from the airline's extensive network across North America. All Australia flights are timed to connect to and from Adelaide, Canberra, Perth and to Tasmania with codeshare partner Virgin Australia. Additionally, Air Canada's Vancouver-Zurich flights will connect to and from destinations in Europe and Africa.

Other benefits:

Air Canada's Boeing 787 Dreamliner features three cabins of service with high-definition individual on-demand entertainment offering a wide range of movies, short films, TV programs and audio selections at every seat throughout the aircraft.

All flights provide for Aeroplan accumulation and redemption, Star Alliance reciprocal benefits and, for eligible customers, priority check-in, access to Air Canada's Maple Leaf Lounges, priority boarding and other benefits.


https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2018-10-...nternational-Destinations-in-Summer-2019

Nothing that wasn't already known, but the issued a formal release for it. The daily year round DEL is really good though, and year-round and increase to MEL. The AC mainline additions have been doing well for AC to boost so much right away. YVR's losses have been all due to Rouge leaving (NGO, ORL). That was no surprise, the redeployment of the Rouge widebodies was common knowloedge and those routes weren't regular or frequent enough to keep.

Interesting still no mention of the mystery around DUB, if it were going mainline I feel like this was the press release to mention in it. But then again if it's going to be an A330 then maybe it will get announced when those planes enter service, along with any other routes those planes will be used on? This release was basically a co-promotion for the Dreamliner, since its used on all the route expansions and mentioned right in the title. Maybe they didn't want to bring up something that wasn't in that grouping. Or maybe it will just stay a Rouge flight and defy all logic!
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2018, 11:31 PM
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Right now YVR-DEL is still showing daily even in the low season in October. I guess for the first time DEL will get more service from YVR than YYZ.

Not sure what will happen in November though.

Also, except for PVR, every AC route out of YVR next summer seems to be at least 4x weekly? Unless I missed something.
     
     
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Right now YVR-DEL is still showing daily even in the low season in October. I guess for the first time DEL will get more service from YVR than YYZ.

Not sure what will happen in November though.

Also, except for PVR, every AC route out of YVR next summer seems to be at least 4x weekly? Unless I missed something.
Yes that's right. The only flights less than daily will be ZRH (5x), KIX (5x), CDG (4x) and MEL (x4). And DUB (4x) which still is a bit of an oddity.
     
     
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Question for the pros, is Swiss part of the AC/LH joint venture? It would be great to see Swiss take over the Zurich route from AC, freeing up another dreamliner for a new route.
Yes. And you don't have to call me a pro....

https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/company/alliances/joint-ventures.html

As for Swiss taking over, it's a long shot. Swiss doesn't do seasonal long haul.
     
     
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Question For those who might know .......

Any chance of another year-round European long-haul destination from YVR? Probably not, but I thought I'd ask. (Additionally, I'd love to see IST, GRU, and SIN, too, but no way for those.)
     
     
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Another A350 for YVR.

Hong Kong Airlines putting the A350 on the daily YVR-HKG route from 14 Dec 2018 - 19 Feb 2019. Pretty bit capacity boost up from the 332.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...schedules-a350-vancouver-service-in-w18/
     
     
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Right now YVR-DEL is still showing daily even in the low season in October. I guess for the first time DEL will get more service from YVR than YYZ.

Not sure what will happen in November though.

Also, except for PVR, every AC route out of YVR next summer seems to be at least 4x weekly? Unless I missed something.
You mean just on AC? 9W also flies to DEL from YYZ, albeit via AMS.
     
     
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Another A350 for YVR.

Hong Kong Airlines putting the A350 on the daily YVR-HKG route from 14 Dec 2018 - 19 Feb 2019. Pretty bit capacity boost up from the 332.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...schedules-a350-vancouver-service-in-w18/
LH to MUC is going A346 next summer though. Addition of first class service. Similar seat count.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...nsa-s19-long-haul-changes-as-of-10oct18/

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Munich – Vancouver 31MAY19 – 31JUL19 A340-600 replaces A350, 1 daily. First Class service available during this period
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2018, 1:53 PM
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Any chance of another year-round European long-haul destination from YVR? Probably not, but I thought I'd ask. (Additionally, I'd love to see IST, GRU, and SIN, too, but no way for those.)
by AC, no.
TK to IST will probably happen. Earliest it can is next year, when TK gets it's first batch of B789s (6 in 2019).
We've discussed GRU ad nauseam, stop asking.
SIN as well.
     
     
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