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Old Posted Aug 20, 2018, 5:23 PM
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Surprised the fall transit schedule has not been released yet.
https://www.calgarytransit.com/news/fall-service-changes
     
     
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https://twitter.com/dalecalkins/status/1019978052913094656

Looks like we are getting a Max Teal, Yellow, Orange and Purple line. I can't find a better image of this map:

     
     
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2018, 2:55 PM
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What a disappointment. I was expecting all those new routes and route changes to be in effect for the fall service change. Looks like we will be waiting closer to winter 2018 than fall 2018.
     
     
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What a disappointment. I was expecting all those new routes and route changes to be in effect for the fall service change. Looks like we will be waiting closer to winter 2018 than fall 2018.
Winter 2018 is over - the next winter is 2019 essentially. Fall 2018 is a pretty easy target to give, as it could be any date up to December 21.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2018, 4:19 PM
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Do we have any actual dates for when the new BRT's and new route changes will be live? Right now it's still slated as Fall 2018 but just from the eye test, there is a ton of work to still do on a lot of the bus shelters.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 14, 2018, 2:05 AM
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Do we have any actual dates for when the new BRT's and new route changes will be live? Right now it's still slated as Fall 2018 but just from the eye test, there is a ton of work to still do on a lot of the bus shelters.
Technically Fall ends December 21st, but yeah - there is a lot of work left. Don't have any specifics unfortunately.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2018, 1:35 AM
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Well we finally have a date: November 19th for the new BRT's.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-transit-brt-max-opening-1.4836768
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2018, 1:02 PM
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'Three BRT lines' this is not. It is one bus line that has a significant amount of BRT like route, the other two are barely any different to the existing non-BRTs. For the SEBRT, they need to work on segregating the line all the way to downtown, which would have to mean bypassing 9th and following the line of the Green Line to downtown. Then they need to figure out where to put an east-west bus only route through downtown. Only then will that line be fit to be called BRT.

The other two shouldn't even be called BRT.
     
     
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'Three BRT lines' this is not. It is one bus line that has a significant amount of BRT like route, the other two are barely any different to the existing non-BRTs. For the SEBRT, they need to work on segregating the line all the way to downtown, which would have to mean bypassing 9th and following the line of the Green Line to downtown. Then they need to figure out where to put an east-west bus only route through downtown. Only then will that line be fit to be called BRT.

The other two shouldn't even be called BRT.
While they don't have exclusive lanes, they aren't really needed since Calgary's roads aren't congested. The extensive slip and skip lanes will get a great deal of the benefit at a way lower cost. We shouldn't dismiss right sizing solutions to Calgary's need.


SE BRT will force transfer to the Greenline once the Greenline is built.
     
     
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'Three BRT lines' this is not. It is one bus line that has a significant amount of BRT like route, the other two are barely any different to the existing non-BRTs. For the SEBRT, they need to work on segregating the line all the way to downtown, which would have to mean bypassing 9th and following the line of the Green Line to downtown. Then they need to figure out where to put an east-west bus only route through downtown. Only then will that line be fit to be called BRT.

The other two shouldn't even be called BRT.
Why does BRT need to go all the way downtown? Wouldn't these people be transferring onto the LRT somewhere in Inglewood?
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2018, 7:57 PM
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Why does BRT need to go all the way downtown? Wouldn't these people be transferring onto the LRT somewhere in Inglewood?
it may have come up before, I'm not sure, but I think the root of milomilo's commentary on this file is that he lives in the SE commuter communities. Personally, I feel those in the SE commuter communities like Cranston and the like should require double-fare - because that is the fair thing to do.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2018, 11:55 PM
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While they don't have exclusive lanes, they aren't really needed since Calgary's roads aren't congested. The extensive slip and skip lanes will get a great deal of the benefit at a way lower cost. We shouldn't dismiss right sizing solutions to Calgary's need.


SE BRT will force transfer to the Greenline once the Greenline is built.
It shouldn't be called BRT though, because it isn't, the NE line at least is just a slightly better bus. Using that terminology cheapens the brand.

As for roads not being congested, sure in the grand scheme of things there are more congested roads, but 16th and 9th ave are both pretty busy, and any bus making their way down them will be badly affected. Buses by default offer extremely poor service quality in comparison to driving, so the way to make it competitive is to allow it to use dedicated lanes making it faster.

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Why does BRT need to go all the way downtown? Wouldn't these people be transferring onto the LRT somewhere in Inglewood?
But the Green Line won't be here for at least 8 years - we can build bus routes faster than that.

Additionally, to get to a viable transfer point (or connection with future 17th Ave LRT) with the Ramsay Green Line station from Blackfoot you will need more infrastructure, likely a flyover across the CP yard if they let us. So we'll have to build that regardless. And then, if you've built that it's not much more to bring it across the Elbow.

Transferring to the Green Line in the future is not a bad option. But direct to downtown would be better from a service perspective and is more likely to draw ridership, and downtown busways could be used by other lines. Alternatively, the SEBRT could maybe travel somewhere else, like through the Beltline, which would open up network effects from the other LRTs.
     
     
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it may have come up before, I'm not sure, but I think the root of milomilo's commentary on this file is that he lives in the SE commuter communities. Personally, I feel those in the SE commuter communities like Cranston and the like should require double-fare - because that is the fair thing to do.
I don't live in the SE.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2018, 6:05 PM
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Looks like the new transit schedules/estimates are available here: http://hastinfoweb.calgarytransit.com/hastinfoweb2/

Set the date to November 19th or beyond and you should get the new routes. Looks like a solid 8 minute reduction in my commute. Also a lot less windy.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2018, 7:39 PM
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Thanks for that tip - a bus driver alerted me that the 302 bus route was changing in November. The 302 no longer would route down 18th St. SE, which means that it adds 10 minutes to my commute time Apparently the routes will be publicized this week for review...

Am I wrong in that it looks like the 136 route is disappearing (Bus to SE from Chinook Station)??

The 136 and 302 buses are critical to travel to Quarry Park - what a complete mess...
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2018, 9:15 PM
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Thanks for that tip - a bus driver alerted me that the 302 bus route was changing in November. The 302 no longer would route down 18th St. SE, which means that it adds 10 minutes to my commute time Apparently the routes will be publicized this week for review...

Am I wrong in that it looks like the 136 route is disappearing (Bus to SE from Chinook Station)??

The 136 and 302 buses are critical to travel to Quarry Park - what a complete mess...
Max Teal replaces that service. Westbrook --> Heritage --> Quarry Park --> Douglas Glen. You can transfer between the 302 and Max Teal at Douglas Glen.

Some maps that may be out of date: South East: https://s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/...ngage.files/6915/2348/5207/Southeast.png
South/South West: https://s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/...240/New_Route_Proposals_-_SW_Calgary.png
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2018, 11:18 PM
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I don’t see the Teal bus on the November transit route planning - is that the 306? If so, it is a big downgrade. It will take an hour just to go from a downtown LRT to Quarry Park via the 306 from Heritage Station - right now it takes 40 minutes to take the train and then the 136.

Same thing with the 302 - instead of going right through 18th in QP, you have get off at 24th St to walk 10 minutes to get to 18th Street or you take the 302 bus all the way down to Douglas Glen and then take a bus back to a stop closer to QP. The journey is at least 10 minutes longer than today - around an hour instead of 45 minutes now.

Thank you for the maps.. very good visuals, but unless I am reading the schedules wrong, the new routes just make things worse.

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Old Posted Oct 1, 2018, 12:42 AM
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I don’t see the Teal bus on the November transit route planning - is that the 306? If so, it is a big downgrade. It will take an hour just to go from a downtown LRT to Quarry Park via the 306 from Heritage Station - right now it takes 40 minutes to take the train and then the 136.

Same thing with the 302 - instead of going right through 18th in QP, you have get off at 24th St to walk 10 minutes to get to 18th Street or you take the 302 bus all the way down to Douglas Glen and then take a bus back to a stop closer to QP. The journey is at least 10 minutes longer than today - around an hour instead of 45 minutes now.

Thank you for the maps.. very good visuals, but unless I am reading the schedules wrong, the new routes just make things worse.
I think the new routings are excellent. They'll be better for most people.
     
     
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