YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[zahav]

Forgot to mention regarding the YVR, YUL, YYC figures. YVR is still ahead of YYC for YTD for all categories (domestic, transborder, international (non-transborder), international (incl. transborder) and overall). In both % and absolute numbers, YVR is growing more than YYC for domestic and YTD is about 235,000 ahead. Granted this gap could very well narrow before year's end, but 7 months in those are the facts, so we have actually gained relatively more domestic pax than YYC. Obviously their downtown had a lot to do with it, but their downturn didn't mean we would grow, but we still did

[s211]

Originally Posted by DDP

How much of that is Trump, how much of that is dollar related?

Also, there is a prof that said this?

“I refused to enter apartheid South Africa, too,” Jen Marchbank, a professor at Simon Fraser University in British Columbia told the Toronto Star. “I see little difference between the U.S. today and apartheid South Africa in terms of ethics and morals.”

What the holly hell.

The answer is in the snippet you posted. I'm zero % a Trump fan, but when people make quotes like that, they do their constituency a disfavour.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

The answer is pretty obvious, what with no route announcements so far and only cancelations.

PR canceling JFK
WS canceling MEX
AC canceling MCO, NGO (and maybe DUB)

Last year this time, AC had already announced ZRH and CDG. The annoucement was end of August, in fact.

Seems YVR has plateau'd. Like I said, 14 new destinations by 2020 is unrealistic.

Still, other airlines are increasing frequency on some routes, so growth will continue, just not at the level of the last few years.

Well was there some AC announcement YVR missed out on? As far as I can tell they are just late in announcing any Summer 19 plans.

Plenty of growth to come, but you can keep crossing your fingers for the downfall of YVR, you've been predicting it for years now.

[LeftCoaster]

London Stanstead singling out Vancouver, among others, as routes they are targeting for future service. Might make sense for a future LCC, but Vancouver to London is already pretty damn well served and Brexit is not going to do wonders for demand...

https://mediacentre.stanstedairport.com/london-stansted-sets-sights-on-long-haul-growth/

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Well was there some AC announcement YVR missed out on? As far as I can tell they are just late in announcing any Summer 19 plans.

Plenty of growth to come, but you can keep crossing your fingers for the downfall of YVR, you've been predicting it for years now.

There had been no new route announcement for S19 so far. Network-wise, just the change of KIX from Rouge to mainline; cancellation of NGO plus one other route I forgot; some mainline flights becomes express in YYZ; some seasonal flight becomes year-round; some year-route routes becomes seasonal; consolidation of some domestic express routes in the East; and swapping express flight numbers as always...

Overall the big ones are the addition of daily summer flight of YEG-LAS and YVR-YZF, plus the loss of NGO. All other changes are 1x/2x weekly sun destination flights. The YYZ-BOS change I'm too unfamiliar with the route to come to a conclusion.

Of course, I didn't check any upgauge or downgauge... or frequency and mainline/rouge/express changes that doesn't result in addition or loss of flight numbers...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Gordon

It looks like those AS changes are only Seasonal, They seem to be back to all q400s & 1 739 next summer.

I wonder why Alaska never uses bridges gates for their Q400s like AC does?

Alaska would be far from finalising next summer’s schedules anyway. On a flight that’s less than one hour I don’t think it would even matter really and capacity wise practically the same.

Also as far as AC is concerned... domestic and transborder don’t usually get finalised until early in the new year. If there are changes now that’s probably due to a shift in phasing out embraers.

I think though the rapid growth YVR has been experiencing in the last two - three years will slow down based on what’s coming online. YTD YVR has snuck ahead of ORD for int’l. If that’s remains? Who knows.

The bright side is YVR has escaped any major loss of service compared to YYC and YEG for long haul.

NGO - North America has always been a struggle. The only remaining route to North America will be DTW on DL (still strong with auto connections). So it’s probably more of a reflection on NGO’s end rather than YVR’s. It was certainly one of the few routes from YVR that made sense for Rouge. But realisticly there were very few other rouge-able routes to Asia. The practicality of rouge in the west is not as strong as in the east. Let them enjoy the discomfort

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

London Stanstead singling out Vancouver, among others, as routes they are targeting for future service. Might make sense for a future LCC, but Vancouver to London is already pretty damn well served and Brexit is not going to do wonders for demand...

https://mediacentre.stanstedairport.com/london-stansted-sets-sights-on-long-haul-growth/

Full list.

HKG, LAX, SFO, NRT, YUL, ORD, MIA, CAN, SIN, DEL, PEK, BKK, BOM, JNB, ICN, PVG, KWI, MNL, YVR, CMB

Wishful thinking for the most part.

Norwegian is staying put in LGW, so dont see them starting anything out of STN. It will be hard attracting Asian or North American carriers away from LHR or LGW as well.

Primera could bite and launch YUL, but their aircraft dont have the range for anything else in North America. That's why it's the only destination in that list that might come online.

STN is a busy airport. It handled nearly 26 million passengers last year. People keep complaining about how busy the terminal building is, and the lack of space. Seems to me Manchester Airports Group (MAG), the operator of STN, needs to spend money on expanding the terminal before subsidizing routes left, right and center.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The practicality of rouge in the west is not as strong as in the east. Let them enjoy the discomfort

Would hardly call the launching of new routes and destinations "discomforting".

[officedweller]

MacArthur Glen Outlet Expansion

By City of Rain Aug 19th:

Originally Posted by City Of Rain, post: 1371500, member: 70034

20180819_135608 by Hung Lam, on Flickr


20180819_135613 by Hung Lam, on Flickr

20180819_140012 by Hung Lam, on Flickr

20180819_140021 by Hung Lam, on Flickr

20180819_135616 by Hung Lam, on Flickr

[scryer]

I hope that they continue with the faux heritage village look that they got going on there. I'm glad to see the outlet mall expand so quickly since it was constructed (like 2014ish iirc).

[Gordon]

That's going to be a sizeable expansion, how much more traffic is that gong to add to Sea Island?

Is there any info about the progress on the terminal expansion projects, I can't get any info from YVR?

[CloudInspector]

Singapore wants a non-stop flight to YVR:

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-to-singapore-airlines-flight-demand

A good route for SQ? AC? Very off chance, WS?

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by scryer

I hope that they continue with the faux heritage village look that they got going on there. I'm glad to see the outlet mall expand so quickly since it was constructed (like 2014ish iirc).

Definitely want to see it themed. However, part of me wants them to differentiate the theme. Kind of like a theme park even, you've now stepped into future-land

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by CloudInspector

Singapore wants a non-stop flight to YVR:

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-to-singapore-airlines-flight-demand

A good route for SQ? AC? Very off chance, WS?

Well yippee-i-o, that IS good news, Big Time!! It would largely help round out YVR's Pacific basin coverage , and is one of the "Big Three" route additions I'd personally like for YVR.

(The other two are São Paulo and Istanbul, but they seem "iffy" at best.... although Johnny mentioned a couple of years back at his surprise at the level of O&D traffic between Vancouver & Brazil, plus TK knocking on the door trying to get 3x/week YVR - IST)

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by CloudInspector

Singapore wants a non-stop flight to YVR:

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-to-singapore-airlines-flight-demand

A good route for SQ? AC? Very off chance, WS?

Nothing new here. Same info from 3 months ago.

https://www.anna.aero/2018/07/04/singapo...-route-of-the-week-with-130000-searches/

30,000 isn't that great of an O&D number for such a long route in my opinion. It's only 41 PDEW. Still, a non stop will stimulate the market, so the route could materialize in 2019 or 2020. Fuel prices going up isn't helping the matter.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by CloudInspector

Singapore wants a non-stop flight to YVR:

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-to-singapore-airlines-flight-demand

A good route for SQ? AC? Very off chance, WS?

That's great. Not really surprised by it though. Also good to see yvr and Brazil is imminent

[SpongeG]

took this, this afternoon, parked out there

2018-09-16_12-43-58 by snub_you, on Flickr

2018-09-16_12-43-30 by snub_you, on Flickr

There was also what I think was a Hong Kong airlines plane parked over by the Pier B, westjet area

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

That's great. Not really surprised by it though. Also good to see yvr and Brazil is imminent

Yes. A route to Brazil would be a MAJOR breakthrough to Vancouver.

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

took this, this afternoon, parked out there


There was also what I think was a Hong Kong airlines plane parked over by the Pier B, westjet area

Prudent operational planning to have their aircraft at the outport station (YVR) instead of home (HKG) where there's a level 10 super typhoon wreaking havoc on everything thats not bolted down.

[Denscity]

It's crazy there isn't a YUL thread. Is it's following too lame to have one or do they just want to pump themselves up in front of the rest of the country in the national thread?

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Denscity

It's crazy there isn't a YUL thread. Is it's following too lame to have one or do they just want to pump themselves up in front of the rest of the country in the national thread?

The YUL and YYZ pages are pretty dormant, hence the posts on the Canadian airports page. YHM has a pretty active page, and yet people still post in the national page. As do people from this thread mind you. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Pretty straighforward criteria to post in the national page methinks.

1. Are you posting about a Canadian airport? If yes.
2. Go ahead