YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 674

Johnny Aussie · #**13461** Posted **Sep 11, 2018, 10:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Seems like YVR-NGO had been removed from AC's system in this week's schedule update.

Boooo. Guess we will have to see what happens with Dublin.

Meanwhile.... today JAL marked its 50th anniversary of YVR service....

https://mobile.twitter.com/yvrairport/status/1039348188996497408

https://mobile.twitter.com/yvrairport/status/1039341920755937280

thenoflyzone · #**13462** Posted **Sep 11, 2018, 12:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

It will be interesting to see if yve can get anything like this growth next year. Seeing that there have been no major route announcements confirmne for next year yet.

The answer is pretty obvious, what with no route announcements so far and only cancelations.

PR canceling JFK
WS canceling MEX
AC canceling MCO, NGO (and maybe DUB)

Last year this time, AC had already announced ZRH and CDG. The annoucement was end of August, in fact.

Seems YVR has plateau'd. Like I said, 14 new destinations by 2020 is unrealistic.

Still, other airlines are increasing frequency on some routes, so growth will continue, just not at the level of the last few years.

thenoflyzone · #**13463** Posted **Sep 11, 2018, 12:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YYC increasingly domestic oriented.

YYC was always domestic oriented. It's never been anything else.

Gordon · #**13464** Posted **Sep 11, 2018, 2:37 PM**

Just did a quick check AC does have the NGO flight operating in June , not sure the frequency.

nname · #**13465** Posted **Sep 11, 2018, 4:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

The answer is pretty obvious, what with no route announcements so far and only cancelations.

PR canceling JFK
WS canceling MEX
AC canceling MCO, NGO (and maybe DUB)

Last year this time, AC had already announced ZRH and CDG. The annoucement was end of August, in fact.

Seems YVR has plateau'd. Like I said, 14 new destinations by 2020 is unrealistic.

Still, other airlines are increasing frequency on some routes, so growth will continue, just not at the level of the last few years.

That's a grand total of 1 destination lost there. And neither AC nor WS had announced any new summer destination so far. They might be waiting for each other.

YVR-DUB should be fine, as the route had been put on sale. YVR-NGO had been full-fare only for the past couple of months.

thenoflyzone · #**13466** Posted **Sep 11, 2018, 7:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

That's a grand total of 1 destination lost there. And neither AC nor WS had announced any new summer destination so far. They might be waiting for each other.

YVR-DUB should be fine, as the route had been put on sale. YVR-NGO had been full-fare only for the past couple of months.

Since when has AC waited on WS for anything?

Lancaster · #**13467** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 4:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Since when has AC waited on WS for anything?

Since when has WestJet taken delivery of 787s?

No doubt there will be some form of competitive response to whatever move WestJet makes.

zahav · #**13468** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 6:33 AM**

I'm not sure how much traffic is impacted by those things, I'd have thought many of those people would be rebooked pretty quick. We'll see how the numbers look and then let the guessing games begin

PS, does anyone think Trump has caused decreased tourism to the US? Ie. do you think many people have actually postponed travel there because of the political/social climate? I'd be so curious to see any empirical data related to this. Also have always been curious what % of transborder traffic is American coming here or Canadians going there. Any guesses what % is each?

thenoflyzone · #**13469** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 1:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Lancaster

Since when has WestJet taken delivery of 787s?

As of today, never !

And if you really think AC is waiting on WS to launch new international destinations out of YVR, you are sadly mistaken.

Bet you WestJet's first 787 destination from YVR is already served by AC !

YYCguys · #**13470** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 2:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Lancaster

Since when has WestJet taken delivery of 787s?

First three deliveries expected early next year!

trofirhen · #**13471** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 2:56 PM**

I can't help wondering if Westjets new fleet of 787s will make YYC a larger overseas hub, competing strongly with YVR. Is the market there for that?
Or, conversely, would they base most of their Asia flights out of YVR anyway? (There was a diagram once, showing routes to SCL and Lima, but that's a long shot, I know)
Feedback welcome.

roger1818 · #**13472** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I can't help wondering if Westjets new fleet of 787s will make YYC a larger overseas hub, competing strongly with YVR. Is the market there for that?

That is my thought as well, especially if they pick destinations that AC doesn't fly to from YYZ. From eastern Canada, flying via YYC is shorter than via YVR (though not as short as via YYZ). They would sacrifice the BC market (which is already well served by AC and others), but gain the rest of Canada.

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Or, conversely, would they base most of their Asia flights out of YVR anyway? (There was a diagram once, showing routes to SCL and Lima, but that's a long shot, I know)
Feedback welcome.

To be honest, I doubt it. I don't know if there is enough demand for currently un-served destinations to make any viable (otherwise someone else would offer it as a routing). Besides, WS doesn't have enough direct flights to YVR to make connections work well.

casper · #**13473** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 3:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by roger1818

That is my thought as well, especially if they pick destinations that AC doesn't fly to from YYZ. From eastern Canada, flying via YYC is shorter than via YVR (though not as short as via YYZ). They would sacrifice the BC market (which is already well served by AC and others), but gain the rest of Canada.

To be honest, I doubt it. I don't know if there is enough demand for currently un-served destinations to make any viable (otherwise someone else would offer it as a routing). Besides, WS doesn't have enough direct flights to YVR to make connections work well.

WS needs to show the 787 are a success from the start. They are not going to go to Asia in the first year. It will likely be displacing the 767 going to London and maybe a partner destination in a place like Paris.

whatnext · #**13474** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 4:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

I'm not sure how much traffic is impacted by those things, I'd have thought many of those people would be rebooked pretty quick. We'll see how the numbers look and then let the guessing games begin

PS, does anyone think Trump has caused decreased tourism to the US? Ie. do you think many people have actually postponed travel there because of the political/social climate? I'd be so curious to see any empirical data related to this. Also have always been curious what % of transborder traffic is American coming here or Canadians going there. Any guesses what % is each?

International tourism to the USA has fallen under Trump. Sadly Canada is one of the few foreign countries bucking that trend, sending more visitors to the USA than in previous years.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/fewe...under-trump-canadians-didnt-get-the-memo

DDP · #**13475** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 4:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Speaking of Europe....

FI increasing YVR-KEF to 6 weekly next summer.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...ir-s19-network-expansions-as-of-06sep18/

FI697 KEF1715 – 1800YVR 75W x6
FI698 YVR1900 – 0905+1KEF 75W x6

Much better utilisation rather than sitting overnight.

They are rebanking KEF next sumer, they had planes sitting over night all over North America, that is coming to an end as they grow.

DDP · #**13476** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 4:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

International tourism to the USA has fallen under Trump. Sadly Canada is one of the few foreign countries bucking that trend, sending more visitors to the USA than in previous years.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/fewe...under-trump-canadians-didnt-get-the-memo

How much of that is Trump, how much of that is dollar related?

Also, there is a prof that said this?

“I refused to enter apartheid South Africa, too,” Jen Marchbank, a professor at Simon Fraser University in British Columbia told the Toronto Star. “I see little difference between the U.S. today and apartheid South Africa in terms of ethics and morals.”

What the holly hell.

memememe76 · #**13477** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 7:09 PM**

Canadians have fewer choices when it comes to affordable and short trips. And unlike Europeans, Canadians don't normally get extended holidays (My holidays tend to be one week long).

Myself, I still go to the US to visit family, friend's wedding, etc. But on those "I just feeling like going there" type of trips, I am visiting more European and Asian cities. I love going to those places, but they aren't exactly cheap. It's not like a trip to Vegas. I have also spent more time visiting Canada. Went to Regina for the first time last. I am going to Tofino for the first time this year. Hoping to visit Winnipeg next year. But for a fun sun-filled Xmas holiday, where can you go in Canada?

For anyone outside NA, traveling to the US (and Canada, for that matter) is a big deal. Any little thing that could dissuade a person from traveling there will make a different.

Johnny Aussie · #**13478** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 9:11 PM**

Minor change but more jet equipment.

AS back to 5 daily to SEA (same as last winter)

2 mainline (1 daily 739 1 daily 738)
But 2 of the 3 Horizon flights will be on E75s. —> New equipment on this route
The remaining Horizon flight will be on a DH4.

PDX remains unchanged at 1 daily DH4.

Gordon · #**13479** Posted **Sep 13, 2018, 2:14 AM**

It looks like those AS changes are only Seasonal, They seem to be back to all q400s & 1 739 next summer.

I wonder why Alaska never uses bridges gates for their Q400s like AC does?

YYCguys · #**13480** Posted **Sep 13, 2018, 2:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

I wonder why Alaska never uses bridges gates for their Q400s like AC does?

Cost or availability perhaps?