Winnipeg Construction IX - Page 408

Riverman · #**8141** Posted **Sep 9, 2018, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by buzzg

Yeah – I can't think of a single suburban office building over 6 storeys, let me know if there are some. And there are very few even that are even 6.

1661 Portage is 10 stories.

Don't know if you realize this or not but most people work in places that are not office buildings.

buzzg · #**8142** Posted **Sep 9, 2018, 6:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

1661 Portage is 10 stories.

Don't know if you realize this or not but most people work in places that are not office buildings.

Yup, definitely realize this, but office buildings are the most dense, which is what we're talking about. And 1661 is still not "out in the burbs." Polo Park is probably the only/next big concentration next do downtown.

Riverman · #**8143** Posted **Sep 9, 2018, 9:48 PM**

Yes but who cares about that? Single story buildings are easier and cheaper to constuct and if land is plentiful and cheap why build a tower? Businesses don't care about density, they care about cost. Offices in the burbs are in single story buildings.

optimusREIM · #**8144** Posted **Sep 9, 2018, 11:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Yes but who cares about that? Single story buildings are easier and cheaper to constuct and if land is plentiful and cheap why build a tower? Businesses don't care about density, they care about cost. Offices in the burbs are in single story buildings.

We should care though because eventually well be stuck with a massive infrastructure deficit when everything sprawls out. Oh wait......

Riverman · #**8145** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 11:39 AM**

Businesses don't really give a damn about anybody's idologies.

optimusREIM · #**8146** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 12:58 PM**

Even businesses have to follow the rules. There are ways of incentivizing density and penalizing sprawl. Plus if we want to make business competitive perhaps we should look at the crippling corporate tax rate.

windypeg · #**8147** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 2:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Yes but who cares about that? Single story buildings are easier and cheaper to constuct and if land is plentiful and cheap why build a tower? Businesses don't care about density, they care about cost. Offices in the burbs are in single story buildings.

Suburban sprawl comes at very low private cost but very high public cost. So "Who cares?" .. presumably anyone who lives and pays taxes in a particular city who wants that city to be able to afford to maintain it's services and infrastructure. Which most businesses also have an interest in.

wardlow · #**8148** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 2:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by windypeg

Suburban sprawl comes at very low private cost but very high public cost. So "Who cares?" .. presumably anyone who lives and pays taxes in a particular city who wants that city to be able to afford to maintain it's services and infrastructure. Which most businesses also have an interest in.

The City of Winnipeg should care; it is one of their purposes to do so, under the City of Winnipeg Charter Act:

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Purposes of city
5(1) The purposes of the city are
(a) to provide good government for the city;
(b) to provide services, facilities or other things that council considers to be necessary or desirable for all or part of the city;
(c) to develop and maintain safe, orderly, viable and sustainable communities; and
(d) to promote and maintain the health, safety, and welfare of the inhabitants.

no use for username · #**8149** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 3:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Yes but who cares about that? Single story buildings are easier and cheaper to constuct and if land is plentiful and cheap why build a tower? Businesses don't care about density, they care about cost. Offices in the burbs are in single story buildings.

So businesses should dump their garbage in the river too? Businesses don't care about the environment. They care about profit!

Riverman · #**8150** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 4:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by wardlow

The City of Winnipeg should care; it is one of their purposes to do so, under the City of Winnipeg Charter Act:

That is about is vague as one can get.

Biff · #**8151** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 6:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

there looks to be a soil testing rig on a trailer on the parking lot on the SW corner of Donald and York. one of the development sites?

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Originally Posted by wardlow

There's something planned for that site. Nothing super tall, I don't think, but will fill up part of a very vacant part of downtown.

There's another proposal that will take away more surface parking too far away, too.

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Originally Posted by wardlow

More like 12-18. A good height for this part of downtown. I shouldn't say anything more, and I have no idea if this is one of the proposals Viking etc. are talking about.

From what I have heard, the 12 storey range is possible, planned long term stay hotel/apartments. Sort of to capitalize on the loss of the Place Louis Riel units.

esquire · #**8152** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 7:06 PM**

^ Nice. Anything that chips away at that large void of surface parking along Donald is A-OK in my books.

wardlow · #**8153** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 7:19 PM**

Another good thing about this hotel proposal is that, unlike a couple of hotel downtown hotel proposals I could name, it it doesn't include plans to create a new driveway off the front street. Instead, vehicle access is off the back lane. Imagine such a thing!

CoryB · #**8154** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 7:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by wardlow

vehicle access is off the back lane. Imagine such a thing!

Will the proposed hotel on Donald be taking a currently public back lane and making it "private" to accommodate vehicle access like a certain other hotel proposed had wanted to do to?

wardlow · #**8155** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 7:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

Will the proposed hotel on Donald be taking a currently public back lane and making it "private" to accommodate vehicle access like a certain other hotel proposed had wanted to do to?

The part of the lane between the current Best Western and the proposed hotel thing-y is already private, it turns out.

buzzg · #**8156** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 11:31 PM**

How did that happen? It’s a continuation of the public lane... sold off when the hotel was built?

buzzg · #**8157** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 11:39 PM**

Side note, looking closer at the NewPort renders, appears they want to have large video screens at the corner of Hargrave & Portage, both sides. There is also Sportsnet signage above the corner unit, which appears to be a restaurant. Now obviously these are just preliminary renders, but I wonder if they’re thinking of opening a Sportsnet Grill like they have outside the Rogers Centre in Toronto. Would be brilliant for them as not only is it beside the arena, but in a Rogers building.

blueandgoldguy · #**8158** Posted **Sep 11, 2018, 1:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

The ninja thing is probably American Ninja Warrior style obstacle course.

Yeah, had not thought of that. Monthly memberships are sure to be expensive.

cllew · #**8159** Posted **Sep 11, 2018, 1:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by buzzg

Side note, looking closer at the NewPort renders, appears they want to have large video screens at the corner of Hargrave & Portage, both sides. There is also Sportsnet signage above the corner unit, which appears to be a restaurant. Now obviously these are just preliminary renders, but I wonder if they’re thinking of opening a Sportsnet Grill like they have outside the Rogers Centre in Toronto. Would be brilliant for them as not only is it beside the arena, but in a Rogers building.

Rogers is just a tenant in the top floor of the building and some other random space in it,they don't own it even though they have their name on it.

KingSett Capital and CCI Corpfin Capital are the owners who acquired it from Great West Life Reality in 2017.

blueandgoldguy · #**8160** Posted **Sep 11, 2018, 2:21 AM**

I remember all the promises made regarding Waverley West 11 or 12 years ago. Kenaston was going to be built as a causeway so as to not split the community in two - we would have seen a more cohesive neighbourhood. Then there was the promise made by Doer or katz (perhaps both) that this community would be using geothermal energy...even though they knew these plans were being kiboshed due to a salt water aquifer existing under most of the development.

What could have been....