ATLANTA | Development Thread VI - Page 486

cabasse · #**9701** Posted **Aug 30, 2018, 7:07 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdawg

The Georgia Aquarium typeface and logo make me angry. I get what they're doing with the G/Fish thing but it's so inelegant. I almost feel like offering them my branding expertise pro bono.

design by committee i bet, lol

sbrptree · #**9702** Posted **Aug 30, 2018, 11:08 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

I have a difficult time envisioning 1105's height/impact on the skyline from that angle, although I'm hopeful it would peer over its neighbors. 1125 is at a high elevation and would definitely look prominent.

1180 Peachtree is 41 floors, but it's crown brings it up closer to a 45-50 floors. 1105 is supposed to be 36 floors...It should make an impact (from most if not all of those Piedmont Park vantage points) in height as well as fill in lower gaps.

Opus II...eh....would be awesome but seems to be less likely

Dale · #**9703** Posted **Aug 31, 2018, 12:59 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbrptree

1180 Peachtree is 41 floors, but it's crown brings it up closer to a 45-50 floors. 1105 is supposed to be 36 floors...It should make an impact (from most if not all of those Piedmont Park vantage points) in height as well as fill in lower gaps.

Opus II...eh....would be awesome but seems to be less likely

I'm beginning to wonder about all of these and, indeed, what sort of catalyst (short of Amazon) is going to be required for Atlanta to get anything of considerable height.

MARTAisSmarta · #**9704** Posted **Aug 31, 2018, 11:49 AM**

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlantas-growing-pains-are-getting-worse-1535707800

We're getting national coverage!

Atlanta3000 · #**9705** Posted **Aug 31, 2018, 12:09 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARTAisSmarta

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlantas-growing-pains-are-getting-worse-1535707800

We're getting national coverage!

For the record, the WSJ is owned by News Corp which also owns Fox News - ENOUGH SAID. Can anyone at the WSJ or here name a large US Metro without growing pains? I can't either.

The best quote I ever heard, "You why Atlanta has bad traffic? Because people want to f'en live here!!!!"

MARTAisSmarta · #**9706** Posted **Aug 31, 2018, 12:27 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

For the record, the WSJ is owned by News Corp which also owns Fox News - ENOUGH SAID. Can anyone at the WSJ or here name a large US Metro without growing pains?"

Detroit? St. Louis? Chicago? But anyway, there are a couple interesting sections in the article.

Quote:

In the two ZIP Codes that cover most of the Westside’s West End area, median prices for single-family homes and condos rose 54% and 110%, respectively, from the first quarter of 2014 to the first quarter of 2018, according to property-data provider Attom Data Solutions. Median home prices rose about 49% in metro Atlanta as a whole during the same period.

Quote:

Ms. Bottoms made preserving affordable housing a central platform of her campaign. She said she hoped to secure $1 billion in public and private funding to help preserve and build affordable housing. Since January, city agencies and related nonprofits have provided about $50 million in incentives and programs, she said.

The mayor plans to appoint a full-time staff person to focus on affordable housing.

This is where I think time and money would be better spent creating transit accessible areas i.e. the Beltline rail to enable more development than just on the eastside trail.

thepope117 · #**9707** Posted **Aug 31, 2018, 3:56 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARTAisSmarta

Detroit? St. Louis? Chicago? But anyway, there are a couple interesting sections in the article.

This is where I think time and money would be better spent creating transit accessible areas i.e. the Beltline rail to enable more development than just on the eastside trail.

The main problem is that without some intervention the market will naturally price out the people working in the service and support industries. I personally would prefer my barista or cook to have a short unstressful commute to work.

cabasse · #**9708** Posted **Aug 31, 2018, 5:23 PM**

https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/offi...n=fri-31-aug-2018-000000-0400_atlanta-re

SSP getting a shout out!

montydawg · #**9709** Posted **Aug 31, 2018, 5:23 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by thepope117

The main problem is that without some intervention the market will naturally price out the people working in the service and support industries. I personally would prefer my barista or cook to have a short unstressful commute to work.

The government should encourage or allow somehow the construction of tiny apartments. They can even be more profitable than traditional apartments. I live in a space around 550Sq ft and it has everything I need. Many people want a larger space. It is difficult to find that kind of housing in Atlanta, but people who make less money should have that option- to live closer in a smaller space.

MARTAisSmarta · #**9710** Posted **Aug 31, 2018, 6:32 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by montydawg

The government should encourage or allow somehow the construction of tiny apartments. They can even be more profitable than traditional apartments. I live in a space around 550Sq ft and it has everything I need. Many people want a larger space. It is difficult to find that kind of housing in Atlanta, but people who make less money should have that option- to live closer in a smaller space.

I 100% agree. We should let people choose for themselves what they want. Instead, we have all sorts of laws about minimum size of places to live, maximum density (via FAR), minimum amounts of parking, the list goes on. All of these create barriers that affect everyone, especially poor people, or those on fixed incomes.

skyscraperpage17 · #**9711** Posted **Aug 31, 2018, 10:51 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARTAisSmarta

Detroit? St. Louis? Chicago?

Don't know about Chicago, but definitely the first two.

There's also Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Memphis.

scania · #**9712** Posted **Aug 31, 2018, 11:45 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

For the record, the WSJ is owned by News Corp which also owns Fox News - ENOUGH SAID. Can anyone at the WSJ or here name a large US Metro without growing pains? I can't either.

The best quote I ever heard, "You why Atlanta has bad traffic? Because people want to f'en live here!!!!"

Every city forum needs someone like you!!! You are awesome. There are two other cities I wish I could borrow you for just a week. You would do wonders for those other two cities.

skyscraperpage17 · #**9713** Posted **Aug 31, 2018, 11:58 PM**

Definitely an interesting argument against The Gulch project and subsidies in its current form...

Opinion: Big Gulch public subsidy not in taxpayers’ best interest

https://www.myajc.com/news/opinion/opini...rs-best-interest/wPbwAOvJiq0FHp71EAhgRK/

This in particular is a point...

"The Boosters’ last shiny object is the bedazzling prospect of Amazon HQ2. Yet the Gulch deal is not contingent on HQ2, and CIM is not committing to pass our subsidy to Amazon. Indeed, CIM will spend $500 million of it constructing a platform. If Amazon really chooses Atlanta, Council could then review what direct public subsidy HQ2 wrangled and whether we could afford more concessions."

Willeo · #**9714** Posted **Sep 1, 2018, 1:32 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by skyscraperpage17

Don't know about Chicago, but definitely the first two.

There's also Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Memphis.

Haven't commented in a while, but had to now. Everyone one of those metros that have been mentioned have been economically crushed over the last 30-40 years. Detroit is a fraction of the population it used to be. It's current infrastructure, while not all in great shape, was built for what used to be one of the largest cities in the U.S. So the comment about successful metros having lots of traffic stands. Let's trying naming our other favorite metros or those that we think are successful and see how many don't have "traffic problems".

skyscraperpage17 · #**9715** Posted **Sep 1, 2018, 1:42 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willeo

Haven't commented in a while, but had to now. Everyone one of those metros that have been mentioned have been economically crushed over the last 30-40 years. Detroit is a fraction of the population it used to be. It's current infrastructure, while not all in great shape, was built for what used to be one of the largest cities in the U.S. So the comment about successful metros having lots of traffic stands. Let's trying naming our other favorite metros or those that we think are successful and see how many don't have "traffic problems".

True.

Atlanta's traffic problems just get overhyped for a couple reasons:

1. Most of the region's population / business is smooshed into one small quarter of the entire metro area, (north Fulton, north Dekalb, East Cobb and Gwinett County), whereas in other citites, the growth is more evenly spread out in every direction from the urban core.

2. Most of the other cities comparable to Atlanta have an extensive arterial road system. Psychologically, just the perception of having multiple ways to get to/from one's destination makes one feel as though the traffic isn't that bad (as long as they're moving).

Street Advocate · #**9716** Posted **Sep 1, 2018, 5:20 PM**

Apologies for size, I just don’t want to mess up the resolution:

GA Power with the best views of the city

Took two of the same photo for contrast

The EST really needs more condos over here as it transitions to Virginia Highland.

Street Advocate · #**9717** Posted **Sep 2, 2018, 8:52 PM**

Vireo

West Peachtree · #**9718** Posted **Sep 3, 2018, 1:10 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by clexmond

I highly doubt the one-way conversions are related. The Midtown Alliance has been planning conversions, and executing on them, for years now.

I think we all are seriously underestimating the amount of space Amazon will need to be assured of for HQ2. Atlanta 3K, anything new to not say?

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/...rge-if-dropped.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

"About 45,000 of the employees are based in Seattle, and its footprint in the city is huge, Brookings says. Amazon occupies 33 buildings in Seattle, and the total is set to soon grow to 40. By comparison, the federal government operates 55 buildings in the District of Columbia, Brookings points out."

jnihiser · #**9719** Posted **Sep 3, 2018, 2:08 PM**

https://www.cousins.com/property/120-west-trinity-0

jaxoncreed · #**9720** Posted **Sep 3, 2018, 6:50 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by West Peachtree

I think we all are seriously underestimating the amount of space Amazon will need to be assured of for HQ2. Atlanta 3K, anything new to not say?

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/...rge-if-dropped.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

"About 45,000 of the employees are based in Seattle, and its footprint in the city is huge, Brookings says. Amazon occupies 33 buildings in Seattle, and the total is set to soon grow to 40. By comparison, the federal government operates 55 buildings in the District of Columbia, Brookings points out."

While Amazon does have some skyscrapers, most of its 33 buildings in Seattle are low rise. Same for the federal gov in DC. You should be able to fit the full 8 million square feet in the gulch given you provide a significant density of towers.