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Old Posted Oct 14, 2017, 2:41 PM
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The issue is that the Place des Peuples towers might be visible from the Ottawa side at certain angles, looming over Parliament. The NCC should step in on this one; they've imposed strict height limits in Ottawa in order to protect view-planes but never considered that proposals in Hull could also ruin the views.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2017, 2:49 PM
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To me, Brigil has lost all credibility with this project;

- By proposing such tall buildings in a location that makes little sense and refusing to negotiate with the mayor to consider a different location;
- having City councilors endorse the project before even submitting it to the City;
- demanding the City as a whole support the project before submitting the development app,
- the fact that they don't own the land (or all the land) the project sits on;
- by not even handing over all of the necessary documents for a approval with the development application.
- threatening to move the project to Ottawa (no other locations are suitable in Gatineau, but anywhere in Ottawa is fine) and dragging Ottawa's mayor into this.
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The issue is that the Place des Peuples towers might be visible from the Ottawa side at certain angles, looming over Parliament. The NCC should step in on this one; they've imposed strict height limits in Ottawa in order to protect view-planes but never considered that proposals in Hull could also ruin the views.
Robert Campeau wanted to built a 60 story hotel in dt Gatineau back in the 90s. i remember visiting some NCC office as a very young architecture student and their staff had built this elaborate model of downtown Ottawa and Gatineau including a scaled model of the proposed tower complete with long red sticks to demonstrate the obstructed sight lines.
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The presentation centre is now a Sports museum
[IMG]IMG_20180214_163701 by harley613, on Flickr[/IMG]
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The presentation centre is now a Sports museum
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Wasn't it a sale office? Is the project dead, then?
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I remember when that building was a petro-canada, and then later an MRI clinic.
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According to the lettering on the glass, it is a Bier Venue now. Must check it out!
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According to the lettering on the glass, it is a Bier Venue now. Must check it out!


Good catch!
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Old Posted May 19, 2018, 2:14 PM
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So now Gilles Desjardins made the City a very generous offer; he'll support the heritage designation for Le Quartier du Musée as long as his project is approved. As if he thinks he actually holds power in this.

He goes on to compare PdP to the Eiffel Tower (from an open letter last week. I'm sorry, but the Eiffel Tower is unique in the wold while PdP could be found in nearly every other city). He also cites 500 Place d'Armes (stands out like a sore thumb, but at least surrounded by tall historic buildings, not two or three storey houses. See first picture below) and some two condo tower development in Toronto that looks to be on the side of a highway or train tracks. Probably a 5-6 storey industrial building façade incorporated in the podium. Again in no way comparable.

He talks like he's open to discussion, he wants to converse with the City and nearby residents, such a great guy. In reality he refuses to negotiate and launches personal attacks to anyone who opposes him. He wants the City to support the project now before even submitting a complete application.

Here a few segments from ICI Radio-Canada;

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/tele/le-tele...gilles-desjardins-patrimoine-quartier-du
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/tele/le-tele...dins-patrimoine-quartier-du?isAutoPlay=1


http://cromwellmgt.ca/en/building/500-place-darmes-2/
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So I notice that the Brigil sales centre for this project now has large signs out front advertising a Gatineau Sports Museum. More threats from Brigil, or cross marketing to get people into a smaller sales centre?
I wondered about this Sports Museum in October, 2017.
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Old Posted May 20, 2018, 6:42 PM
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Local sports museum for the Outaouais.

http://www.museedessports.ca/
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Fate of museum district, Brigil tower development hang in the balance before Gatineau council vote
TAYLOR BLEWETT Updated: August 27, 2018
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...the-balance-before-gatineau-council-vote


While Gatineau city council is officially voting on a heritage designation for its downtown Museum District on Tuesday, it’s also a referendum of sorts on the future of developer Brigil’s most controversial project to date.

If council decides to pass a bylaw designating the area near the Canadian Museum of History a heritage district, there’s essentially no way the $400-million, 35- and 55-storey mixed-use Place des Peuples development could go ahead in the neighbourhood, according to city councillor for the area, Cédric Tessier.

“I don’t know what the vote will be. It will be close. There are people like me that are advocates for the heritage district … but there are people who are advocates for Brigil,” he said.

Indeed, the intense debate that’s divided Gatinois since the Place des Peuples project was unveiled has seen many detract its proposed incursion onto rue Laurier in historical heart of Gatineau. As historian Michelle Guitard pointed out, many of the district’s 50-odd buildings were constructed in the late 19th century and provide a tangible glimpse into the city’s architectural, institutional and social history.

“You cannot build a highrise and not destroy the environment,” she said Friday.

But others have celebrated Brigil’s project as a visionary step toward much-needed revitalization of a core National Capital Region neighbourhood and, by extension, Gatineau writ large. While more than 1.2 million people visit the Canadian Museum of History every year, “nobody goes across the street, nobody goes in that section of town, nobody visits,” said Yves Ducharme, special adviser for Brigil.


Since the locally founded Ottawa-Gatineau builder unveiled its Place des Peuples project in the spring of 2015, its lofty ambitions for the condo, hotel and commercial tower complex have encountered civic and political opposition. The scope of the proposal presents such a drastic departure from the neighbourhood’s three-storey zoning that the mayor of Gatineau mulled a referendum on the project within months of its announcement (it didn’t come to fruition).

The massive project would sit right across the street from the Canadian Museum of History and was designed, in part, by the museum’s architect, Douglas Cardinal. With a 360-degree observation deck in its higher tower, and an indoor public space, Brigil president Gilles Desjardins described Place des Peuples and its curved glass towers as “a unifying project, which will not only serve as the cornerstone of the downtown area’s revival, but also represents an extraordinary architectural attraction offering great potential and diversity for the people of Gatineau, and visitors alike.”

More than 2,000 people have signed a Change.org petition in support of the project, with comments praising its landmark architecture and potential to generate economic and social activity in a neighbourhood failing to live up to its potential. Brigil has estimated that the project could help to generate 1,000 new jobs in the area.

Meanwhile, 1,300 people like a Facebook page called Protect the Museum Quarter. In the spring of 2016, a group of area residents and heritage advocates asked the city to give the neighbourhood a heritage designation, said Tessier.

Fast forward two years, and Tessier tabled a motion in May to kick-start the official heritage designation process on which council will vote Tuesday. If passed, the designation will offer several blocks around the museum significant protection against development and effectively negate any chance Brigil had to move forward with its tower complex, he explained.

It’s an action praised by heritage experts like Guitard, whose appreciation for the Museum District prompted her to write a book detailing the history of each building in the area when she learned about the Place des Peuples proposal.

“Brigil can build its towers anywhere else, but not there. It’s nonsense,” she said, noting that if the city allows for this particular development, the years its residents have spent championing zoning restrictions and heritage preservation will be for naught.

“It’s almost like saying, ‘Well, your history has no importance.”

“It means that the city then is not ruled by the citizens; it’s ruled by the entrepreneurs.”

In a high-profile open letter published recently in Le Droit, world-renowned Canadian architect Phyllis Lambert and Quebec senator Serge Joyal denounced Brigil’s towers in no uncertain terms as “an urban disaster.”

The goal, Joyal explained in an interview last week, was to warn councillors to “think twice before rushing to take that decision that would change forever the fabric of the city.”

Allowing for a highrise like Place des Peuples will trigger rampant real estate speculation in the surrounding neighbourhood, Joyal said. If council permits one developer to demolish houses and build up, on what grounds could it deny the same to others down the road?

“The whole neighbourhood would disappear,” he predicted.

Brigil sees things differently. In fact, the developer supports a heritage designation for the Museum District, and has told the city as much — as long as it’s “flexible and modern,” Ducharme explained.

Rather than a blanket application to all buildings within the area’s borders, regardless of an individual structure’s heritage value, Brigil’s proposed designation would evaluate each building’s history and determine acceptable use on that basis. Height restrictions for new buildings would vary street to street, and allow Place des Peuples to come into being, Ducharme said. The money the complex would generate for the city — an estimated $8 million annually in taxes — would even provide for heritage preservation and restoration in the area.

As the law stands, Tessier said, such a “flexible” designation doesn’t exist. “I think it’s a marketing move.”

So council will vote Tuesday on the traditional kind of heritage designation for the Museum District. Six councillors and the mayor have announced they will vote in favour, four have said they will oppose it, and eight have yet to declare their positions, according to Tessier.

Asked if Brigil will still build in the Museum District on a much smaller-scale — as could be permitted under certain conditions — if the designation indeed passes, Ducharme answered with a vehement “no.”

“We will just wait because it won’t stand the test of time. That designation is badly written, and it is a bylaw that addresses mostly the designation of a small village but not a section of a downtown core.”
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I mean, if this were Old Quebec or something, I would totally get the "preserve our history" remarks, but let's be honest, Old Hull is basically a dump begging for redevelopment. There's not much there, nothing super historical worth preserving and like the article states, no one really goes or stays there.

Now, I love tall towers and buildings but I do get that the height at this location is debatable (given its prominent location and being right behind Parliament hill) but to say nothing should get built is somewhat stupid in my opinion.

What about all those ugly government buildings a few blocks down? What about Le VIU? Those buildings could be built but nothing else?
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Here's hoping the heritage designation passes and this proposal gets canned for good.

It's not that nothing new should ever get built in downtown Hull (it should), but this project doesn't make much sense. Esthetically it's out of touch with anything else around, both in scale and design. Brigil can do better by lowering the height and ditching the Vegas-style design -- yes, I do think it looks like a casino complex. A combination of glitz and tackiness. Or better still, build it someplace outside the core.
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Here's hoping the heritage designation passes and this proposal gets canned for good.

It's not that nothing new should ever get built in downtown Hull (it should), but this project doesn't make much sense. Esthetically it's out of touch with anything else around, both in scale and design. Brigil can do better by lowering the height and ditching the Vegas-style design -- yes, I do think it looks like a casino complex. A combination of glitz and tackiness. Or better still, build it someplace outside the core.
respectfully disagree.

I have grown to love the design (the feather/swiss army knife one)-when I first saw it I hated it. Now I absolutely love it. The project offers hotel rooms, 360 observation deck, and public square on a road that is part of the ceremonial confederation boulevard. Its across from a national museum. It is the perfect spot for this type of development. There is no better spot for it.

I get how people who live on Notre Dame de L'ile would hate it. Notre Dame is a nice street but this development is what is needed in Gatineau. They need to bring more people downtown-this will fill restaurants and breathe life into the area. The observation deck will become a must see for tourists. I would like to see an element of heritage protection for the area and think a compromise can be met whereby buildings of certain age are protected. It does not have to be exclusively heritage or tower. From my understanding, nothing significant historically will be torn down with this proposed development?
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Potential for a deferral... but doesn't sound like it will pass
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I mean, if this were Old Quebec or something, I would totally get the "preserve our history" remarks, but let's be honest, Old Hull is basically a dump begging for redevelopment. There's not much there, nothing super historical worth preserving and like the article states, no one really goes or stays there.

Now, I love tall towers and buildings but I do get that the height at this location is debatable (given its prominent location and being right behind Parliament hill) but to say nothing should get built is somewhat stupid in my opinion.

What about all those ugly government buildings a few blocks down? What about Le VIU? Those buildings could be built but nothing else?
Most of Hull is composed of 100 year old shacks with crappy vinyl siding, but a few spots, very few, have nice brick or stone buildings such as along the Ruisseau de la Brasserie, old Hull and the Quartier du Musée. Because we have so little, it's worth saving.

I don't just oppose this because its out of scale with the heritage neighborhood to the north, but it would also overshadow the Museum of Civilization and Parliament. On the museum front,the shear size of the proposal will trample the museum's place of honour in the area. The design of the podium, which is essentially a replica of the museum, will take away its uniqueness. The design of the towers, which is tacky as all hell, will completely distract people from the architectural jewles of the past. The height f the buildings will also ruin the vistas of Parliament from many angles. Height restrictions should not only cover Ottawa's traditional downtown, but also parts of Hull.

Here are some better spots for these buildings, with I would hope something resembling the initial design released to the public:

- Maisonneuve and Allumettière;
- Robert Guertin Arena site;
- Behind Terraces de la Chaudière;

Anyone of those sites would still allow for a hotel, observatory and would attract people deeper into Hull instead of staying on the periphery, which is the case today and in the future if these towers are built at the proposed site.

That said, I support a heritage designation for the Quartier, but I believe that 2 or 3 floors is almost as inappropriate for this particular parcel of land as the current proposal. I would support up to 12 floors with appropriate set-backs on all sides.
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I mean, if this were Old Quebec or something, I would totally get the "preserve our history" remarks, but let's be honest, Old Hull is basically a dump begging for redevelopment. There's not much there, nothing super historical worth preserving and like the article states, no one really goes or stays there.

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While this is largely true, of the rare nicer older buildings we do have in the city, most of them will be in the shadows of these towers.

That said, I have not made up my mind on the issue.
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BTW while it comes up fairly often on here, in typical Gatineau-Québécois fashion, it seems like almost no one on this side is talking about the project's impacts on Parliament Hill views.
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Although these buildings will not be in the NCC's protected viewplanes, I still believe they should step up on this one. Not only will the towers impact the views of Parliament from many angles on the Gatineau side, but I'm fairly confident they might pop-up behind the Centre Block when viewed from Elgin.

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