Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0 - Page 377

GlassCity · #**7521** Posted **Jul 22, 2018, 3:02 PM**

I like the Toronto-style "line 1" circle in red!

kevinbottawa · #**7522** Posted **Jul 22, 2018, 5:11 PM**

The more this line moves along is the more I can't believe Ottawa is finally getting LRT in a few months, and a subway at that. For a long time it was just a plan. The thought of people pouring out of subway stations in Ottawa seems odd. It'll be nice to be taking a subway again after decades of using the subway in Toronto.

roger1818 · #**7523** Posted **Jul 22, 2018, 6:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Hard to believe all this was supposed to be ready in May, when I see so much work still to be done.

As I said previously:

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Originally Posted by roger1818

Having worked with contact manufacturers in the electronics industry, I can say that it is normal for them to run 2 or 3 shifts and pay for overtime when there are benefits to completing the build earlier. When that benefit disappears, they will immediately cancel all overtime and drop to a single shift to save money. I am certain this is what’s happening here. They could have finished the other stations and LRVs in time if there was an advantage to do so, but now that there no longer is, they might as well save some money.

Hybrid247 · #**7524** Posted **Jul 22, 2018, 9:14 PM**

It looks like Hurdman is approaching completion

https://twitter.com/Milnoc/status/1021013108666654720

Truenorth00 · #**7525** Posted **Jul 22, 2018, 10:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by corynv

Whenever there's a company that has such a delay that this (for the tunnel and how that impacted things) the builders scale everything back. Since then stations would just sit empty for so many months, and you'd probably need to hire more security than you already do to make sure no one trespasses and ruins things before the station opens. (among some other reasons. like you don't need to pay as many shifts so you can completely drop one or maybe 2 depending on how many you had).

I'm sure the City doesn't want the Stations to just sit empty for months until the line opens. And they aren't going to be letting people in there (unless they do some limited open house thing) before it's operational.

I get this. But I also don't get why politicians didn't push to get it in service before the municipal elections in October. I would have thought they'd be gunning for a handover to OC Transpo by at least end September, for at least a soft-launch before the election.

Sort of sucks for Watson and the rest of council to not have this to run on.

corynv · #**7526** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 1:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I get this. But I also don't get why politicians didn't push to get it in service before the municipal elections in October. I would have thought they'd be gunning for a handover to OC Transpo by at least end September, for at least a soft-launch before the election.

Sort of sucks for Watson and the rest of council to not have this to run on.

I think it's an extremely good thing politicians aren't pushing for an earlier opening date. I don't want this to be a rushed system that ends up being worse than what we currently have all because a politician wanted to prove their worth by saying they got it done earlier. Especially if that pushing ends up getting someone killed.

Edit: Also, I think i remember the city rejecting RTG's initial delayed handover date over concerns the system wouldn't be fully ready and tested by then. And I think the city chose the nov. 2nd date (i could be wrong though, and i don't remember when the date RTG wanted was, but i do remember it was earlier than november.)

TransitZilla · #**7527** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 1:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Lees from Fleury's Twitter.

As excited as I am for the LRT, I'm also super-excited for the MUP (pictured behind the glass panels). It will run parallel to the LRT from Hurdman to Laurier, providing a much shorter and faster cycling route into downtown from the south-east.

Reecemartin · #**7528** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 2:12 AM**

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jchilds72 · #**7529** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 4:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I get this. But I also don't get why politicians didn't push to get it in service before the municipal elections in October. I would have thought they'd be gunning for a handover to OC Transpo by at least end September, for at least a soft-launch before the election.

Sort of sucks for Watson and the rest of council to not have this to run on.

They do have LRT to run on, the ideal promise of it anyways. If it were to be put into service just before the elections, they could end up stuck running on a record of teething problems and snap judgements that LRT is a failure.

roger1818 · #**7530** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 10:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by jchilds72

They do have LRT to run on, the ideal promise of it anyways. If it were to be put into service just before the elections, they could end up stuck running on a record of teething problems and snap judgements that LRT is a failure.

I was thinking the same thing. Personally I believe the Confederation line will be an improvement in the long run, but it may not live up to the hype on opening day. This is especially true in the west where where the ride will be very short until Stage2 is complete.

HighwayStar · #**7531** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 12:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by roger1818

I was thinking the same thing. Personally I believe the Confederation line will be an improvement in the long run, but it may not live up to the hype on opening day. This is especially true in the west where where the ride will be very short until Stage2 is complete.

And also keep in mind that most peoples journeys will be lengthened when the system opens... if for no other reason than a transfer will now be required, where none was required before.

Bad Example: My Son travels from Westboro Station to Carleton. Previously 2 stops- Westboro -> Bayview then transfer to O-Train which departed on predictable 15 minute intervals. Now is Westboro->Tunneys.. change to LRT.. Tunneys-> Bayview.. transfer to O-Train which departs randomly every 12 minutes. Could conceivably double his travel time.

Good Example: Neighbour works at Blair Station. From Westboro there will be an additional transfer, but scooting under downtown (especially at rush hour and especially in the winter) should more than make up any lost time.

Uhuniau · #**7532** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 3:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I hope this city has a little more vision and we start thinking about a second downtown subway. Let's not wait like Toronto until there is perennial transit crisis in the centre of the city.

There's been a slow-moving transit crisis for two decades. We're finally dealing with one portion of it (the east-west Transitway, which, despite popular belief, has been failing for most of its existence, not just the past few years before the LRT project was greenlit).

But we're doing absolutely nothing about the even worse performance of the heavily-used trunk routes within the core, and in fact making things worse by devoting the next half-century of transit development almost entirely to suburban extensions of an already suburban-oriented LRT project.

When are we going to address the URBAN transit problem?

We can't wait a whole lot longer.

J.OT13 · #**7533** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 3:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I get this. But I also don't get why politicians didn't push to get it in service before the municipal elections in October. I would have thought they'd be gunning for a handover to OC Transpo by at least end September, for at least a soft-launch before the election.

Sort of sucks for Watson and the rest of council to not have this to run on.

Former Gatineau Mayor Marc Bureau was royally screwed over by the RapiBus when it opened a few weeks before the 2013 election.

Ottawa politicians learned from this (which is a rare thing). The original delayed handover date proposed by RTG was probably before the election. I'm guessing politicians demanded the November date to avoid what happened to Bureau in 2013.

I'm predicting that it will probably be a disaster the first few months of the Confederation's service. People will have a hard time adapting, but once they do, it will probably go over well.

roger1818 · #**7534** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 3:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by HighwayStar

And also keep in mind that most peoples journeys will be lengthened when the system opens... if for no other reason than a transfer will now be required, where none was required before.

Bad Example: My Son travels from Westboro Station to Carleton. Previously 2 stops- Westboro -> Bayview then transfer to O-Train which departed on predictable 15 minute intervals. Now is Westboro->Tunneys.. change to LRT.. Tunneys-> Bayview.. transfer to O-Train which departs randomly every 12 minutes. Could conceivably double his travel time.

Good Example: Neighbour works at Blair Station. From Westboro there will be an additional transfer, but scooting under downtown (especially at rush hour and especially in the winter) should more than make up any lost time.

I am not convinced that statement is true. Certainly for your son it will make things worse if he can't catch one of the Connexion buses that continues on to Pimisi (on its way to Hull), but that is a worst case scenario as it requires a very short ride on the train.

For people going downtown, it should be just as fast (maybe even slightly faster for those going to the far end of downtown). It won't be the big time savings that people are hoping for though.

613Steve · #**7535** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 4:02 PM**

Do we know how many Rapid Routes (61, 62, 95, 91, etc.) will continue to Hull? Will this only be during rush hour?

Reecemartin · #**7536** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 4:16 PM**

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monkeybongo · #**7537** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 4:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by HighwayStar

And also keep in mind that most peoples journeys will be lengthened when the system opens... if for no other reason than a transfer will now be required, where none was required before.

Bad Example: My Son travels from Westboro Station to Carleton. Previously 2 stops- Westboro -> Bayview then transfer to O-Train which departed on predictable 15 minute intervals. Now is Westboro->Tunneys.. change to LRT.. Tunneys-> Bayview.. transfer to O-Train which departs randomly every 12 minutes. Could conceivably double his travel time.

Good Example: Neighbour works at Blair Station. From Westboro there will be an additional transfer, but scooting under downtown (especially at rush hour and especially in the winter) should more than make up any lost time.

You son will have the same delays as everyone in the West for the transfer at Tunney's. The rest of his trip is exactly the same. Given that O-Train departures are longer and the main bottleneck in the route, he may not even have a significant delay in the best case.

The main thing is that once Phase 2 is in place, the problem is solved ... except he'd be graduated by then.

Edit: Just noted that proposed local bus routes will likely route to Tunney's instead of Westboro so you'll save some time there - 50, 81, 11 should get you there.

J.OT13 · #**7538** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 4:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Well whats the status of Stage 2 Confederation Line construction, do we actually expect it to start early 2019?

That's the plan. Bids will be submitted to the City in the fourth quarter of 2018. We should find out who won and have a more final construction timeline by the end of this year.

613Steve · #**7539** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 5:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Well whats the status of Stage 2 Confederation Line construction, do we actually expect it to start early 2019?

They've recently cleared trees on Byron Ave. in order to prepare for construction. I expect construction to start relatively quickly.

AndyMEng · #**7540** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 5:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by bradnixon

As excited as I am for the LRT, I'm also super-excited for the MUP (pictured behind the glass panels). It will run parallel to the LRT from Hurdman to Laurier, providing a much shorter and faster cycling route into downtown from the south-east.

Wait what? A direct pathway from Hurdman to Campus/Laurier??

I regularly bike from Bank/Nepean to Industrial/Trainyards and it's HELL. This will REALLY make it much simpler!

Is there a cycle map for next year?