Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

From Confederation Line website.


I get why Rideau and maybe Parliament are a little behind with the sinkholes, the flooding and the stop work orders, but what's the excuse for the above ground stations.

Even the trains. Technically, they're late. Not Bombardier late, but late. They should have been complete and all assembled months before the original May deadline for full system hand over.

Here's another from Twitter.


https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1014953962867437568

Good Day.

Yeah, I had come to thinking the same thing..... and the only think I can imagine is RTG saving some amount of cash flow by not having as many sub-contractor crews all working at all stations all at the same time, and using the delay of the 2 stations noted to draw out the completion of all the rest. Less overtime, fewer crews, less cost.

And as for the LRVs, 2 ideas - that the same concept is at play, inasfar as they no longer need to overtime the assemblies to get them finished for delivery, or, that they never intended to finish them all by the May 7/24 deadline because not all would be required Day One.

Your last pic is of the plot of land across the street from Bayview station, beside City Center, and it has no connection to the C-Line construction nor to the T-Line temp location. It is the new Trinity triple tower site prep, wherein they got permission (and site contamination cleanup funding assistance) to relocate and rebuild the storm and sanitary sewer intersections in that field, to make way for development and construction of the 30 oops 45 oops 53 oops 65 story towers.
But depending on negotiations and permissions and back-room machinations, they MIGHT be 'allowed' to build a ped or MUP overpass to connect to either/or/both the T-Line / C-Line, or a tower over the T-Line, or......

Ref: OBJ : http://www.obj.ca/article/65-storeys-dev...-tallest-tower-eyes-even-greater-heights

EnJoy!

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

Yeah, I had come to thinking the same thing..... and the only think I can imagine is RTG saving some amount of cash flow by not having as many sub-contractor crews all working at all stations all at the same time, and using the delay of the 2 stations noted to draw out the completion of all the rest. Less overtime, fewer crews, less cost.

And as for the LRVs, 2 ideas - that the same concept is at play, inasfar as they no longer need to overtime the assemblies to get them finished for delivery, or, that they never intended to finish them all by the May 7/24 deadline because not all would be required Day One.

Having worked with contact manufacturers in the electronics industry, I can say that it is normal for them to run 2 or 3 shifts and pay for overtime when there are benefits to completing the build earlier. When that benefit disappears, they will immediately cancel all overtime and drop to a single shift to save money. I am certain this is what’s happening here. They could have finished the other stations and LRVs in time if there was an advantage to do so, but now that there no longer is, they might as well save some money.

[OCCheetos]

https://twitter.com/MathieuFleury/status/1015622743402958848

Nice picture of a shiny new train at uOttawa station.

[Reecemartin]

[Deleted]

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Will the buttons on the doors actually be used unlike Torontos new Streetcars?

Off peak, possibly. I can't remember if there was ever an official announcement about it, but the buttons were at one point questioned by accessibility groups.

During peak periods, the buttons will definitely not be used.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Off peak, possibly. I can't remember if there was ever an official announcement about it, but the buttons were at one point questioned by accessibility groups.

During peak periods, the buttons will definitely not be used.

There was a doc somewhere saying that yes they will use them outside of peak to save energy. Unlike Toronto, this isn't novel here since the Trillium line has been like this for nearly two decades. I think the TTC attempted to use the buttons on the new streetcars, but the passengers revolted

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

There was a doc somewhere saying that yes they will use them outside of peak to save energy. Unlike Toronto, this isn't novel here since the Trillium line has been like this for nearly two decades. I think the TTC attempted to use the buttons on the new streetcars, but the passengers revolted

The issue with Toronto is that cars have to stop for the streetcar, but only when the doors are open. Forcing passengers into traffic to open the doors to stop traffic creates issues.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by Catenary

The issue with Toronto is that cars have to stop for the streetcar, but only when the doors are open. Forcing passengers into traffic to open the doors to stop traffic creates issues.

I was thinking about streets like Spadina or St Clair where the streetcars run in their own ROW with platforms. But I forgot about mixed mode places, where the above is true.

[Reecemartin]

[Deleted]

[PHrenetic]

Good Day.

For the C-Line, as per kmcamp, I recall that detail recently also... peak will be always all open,
but off-hours in lesser-stations (probably like Cyrville or Lees) will be that they stop, but the doors are button-request.
As always, we shall see what it will turn out to be per operational decisions by RTG & OC-T.

I will try and find the reference.

Added: Got it...... OC-Transpo ready-for-rail new-vehicles , near the bottom :

http://www.octranspo.com/ready4rail/new_vehicles

Also an older reference from TransitOttawa (2015) when the mock-up was on display :

http://www.transitottawa.ca/2015/02/inside-confederation-line-train-mock-up.html

EnJoy!

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

OC-Transpo ready-for-rail new-vehicles , near the bottom :

http://www.octranspo.com/ready4rail/new_vehicles!

Here is the exact quote from that link:

When the train arrives at the station platform, the doors will usually open automatically. However, when there are too few riders or when the weather is bad, you will need to push a green button to open the doors.

From that it sounds like even in peak periods the doors might not always open automatically if the weather is bad (most likely when it is very cold or maybe hot). Presumably that won’t be a factor in the tunnel stations in the tunnel stations.

I wonder if the decision is left up to the driver or if they will have a rule that the computer will follow.

EDIT: One other thought. I wonder what they will do at terminal stations, when the train has to wait for an extended time during bad weather. Will they keep the doors and only open them by request for long enough for people to board, or will they keep them all open? I guess another option would be to only keep the doors closet to the platform entrance(s) open to give people the option of sitting away from the open doors.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by roger1818

From that it sounds like even in peak periods the doors might not always open automatically if the weather is bad (most likely when it is very cold or maybe hot). Presumably that won’t be a factor in the tunnel stations.

I wonder if the decision is left up to the driver or if they will have a rule that the computer will follow.

EDIT: One other thought. I wonder what they will do at terminal stations, when the train has to wait for an extended time during bad weather. Will they keep the doors and only open them by request for long enough for people to board, or will they keep them all open? I guess another option would be to only keep the doors closet to the platform entrance(s) open to give people the option of sitting away from the open doors.

Good Day.

I would have to think that currently the doors will be under driver/cab control (with option for computer control not yet to be used).

I would also think that at terminii, the doors should all open post-arrival, and then for the duration be button-op, esp. in bad weather. They may stay open for the entire period during peak times and/or mild weather.

I also think that the cab/computer controls are only for all doors, not for select individual doors. Anything else gets too complex and error-prone.

IMHO.

[McC]

I feel like this whole idea of varying between manual and central/automatic door control will prove too confusing and too much hassle vs. the potential benefits from reducing a cold draft at a couple of stops, and that they'll ultimately drop it. It seems like something that would make perfect sense to an engineer on paper, but isn't so great for the real world (I picture a lot of: "why didn't the door open? it opened at the last stop, and it opened the last time I took the train... what's going on?" For comparison, just thing of how much trouble people have with the different mechanisms for triggering the rear doors on the buses.)

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by McC

I feel like this whole idea of varying between manual and central/automatic door control will prove too confusing and too much hassle vs. the potential benefits from reducing a cold draft at a couple of stops, and that they'll ultimately drop it. It seems like something that would make perfect sense to an engineer on paper, but isn't so great for the real world (I picture a lot of: "why didn't the door open? it opened at the last stop, and it opened the last time I took the train... what's going on?" For comparison, just thing of how much trouble people have with the different mechanisms for triggering the rear doors on the buses.)

Unlike on a bus though, the buttons beep when the doors unlock and also light up. Those are pretty good cues as to how the doors will open. The Trillium Line has operated just fine using door buttons for its entire existence, and I can't imagine it being worse on the Confederation Line (at least not to the point where we need to ditch the buttons entirely).

[McC]

Perhaps, but the Trillium line doors don't switch modes in a manner that may appear utterly random to users.

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by McC

Perhaps, but the Trillium line doors don't switch modes in a manner that may appear utterly random to users.

This may be the system's downfall. Of the top of my head, I can think of London, England, where rolling stock was delivered with buttons, which were shortly after disabled, and then covered up when the carriages were refurbished. If passenger volumes grow, the buttons will be used less, and then it becomes an issue when they are used and people don't figure it out, so they're disabled and removed.

I'd prefer a policy of keeping them passenger actuated as much as possible outside of the tunnel, but I understand that at terminals, Bayview, and Hurdman, the doors will likely all open.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by McC

I feel like this whole idea of varying between manual and central/automatic door control will prove too confusing and too much hassle vs. the potential benefits from reducing a cold draft at a couple of stops, and that they'll ultimately drop it. It seems like something that would make perfect sense to an engineer on paper, but isn't so great for the real world (I picture a lot of: "why didn't the door open? it opened at the last stop, and it opened the last time I took the train... what's going on?" For comparison, just thing of how much trouble people have with the different mechanisms for triggering the rear doors on the buses.)

I agree. It will becoming quite confusing. We would need a simple policy like doors open automatically on weekdays and the buttons need to be engaged on weekends. For all stations.

In terms of rapid transit, I believe that only the C-Train has these buttons, and it seems people have to press them at all times.

http://www.calgarytransit.com/ridersguide#ride_the_bus

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I agree. It will becoming quite confusing. We would need a simple policy like doors open automatically on weekdays and the buttons need to be engaged on weekends. For all stations.

In terms of rapid transit, I believe that only the C-Train has these buttons, and it seems people have to press them at all times.

http://www.calgarytransit.com/ridersguide#ride_the_bus

Good Day.

Our T-Line is press the button at all times.

EnJoy!

[kevinbottawa]

Assuming the second photo is Rideau Station.

Originally Posted by J.OT13

From Confederation Line website.






http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/news/construction-update-181/

I get why Rideau and maybe Parliament are a little behind with the sinkholes, the flooding and the stop work orders, but what's the excuse for the above ground stations.

Even the trains. Technically, they're late. Not Bombardier late, but late. They should have been complete and all assembled months before the original May deadline for full system hand over.

Here's another from Twitter.


https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1014953962867437568

[lrt's friend]

I drove down Scott and Albert Street Sunday. There is still a lot of station work to be completed.