Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0 - Page 376

Vixx · #**7501** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 1:20 AM**

Blair station looking good.

J.OT13 · #**7502** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 1:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by GlassCity

Canada Line platforms downtown are 50 metres long, while the Expo Line's I believe are extendable to 100. Definitely not something to brag about, but I'm just saying I think Ottawa will be just fine with 120.

If we want to talk underbuilt, Canada Line takes the cake.

In terms of the Expo Line however, max capacity is just about the same as Confederation. The high-floor model of their trains makes for a full, flat floor giving more flexibility to remove seats. The lack of drivers cabins (Ottawa has 4 in a 98 meter train) also adds significant capacity.

In any case, 120 meters will probably serve us well for the next 30-40 years. Beyond that, we'll need a second line to serve the suburbs.

roger1818 · #**7503** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 6:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by GlassCity

Canada Line platforms downtown are 50 metres long, while the Expo Line's I believe are extendable to 100. Definitely not something to brag about, but I'm just saying I think Ottawa will be just fine with 120.

They are actually only 40m long but can be lengthened to 50m (I gather there are some temporary walls that can be removed).

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

If we want to talk underbuilt, Canada Line takes the cake.

Agreed. That’s what happens when suburbanites have too much power. While I agree it is under built, the route could never catch up to the Expo line as the area it serves is smaller.

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

In terms of the Expo Line however, max capacity is just about the same as Confederation. The high-floor model of their trains makes for a full, flat floor giving more flexibility to remove seats. The lack of drivers cabins (Ottawa has 4 in a 98 meter train) also adds significant capacity.

True, but you are forgetting that both the Expo Line and the Canada Line are single ended lines (they end downtown), which makes the downtown tunnels half as effective.

As for the cabs, they don’t have doors so don’t need platform access, especially the rear one. Also, there is nothing to say that we won’t remove the cabs one day.

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

In any case, 120 meters will probably serve us well for the next 30-40 years. Beyond that, we'll need a second line to serve the suburbs.

To reach the lines ultimate capacity we would need do more than double (actually about 2.2 times) our projected “day 1” ridership. To do that in 40 years we would need to grow ridership by about 2% a year (through either an increase in modal share or an increase in population). Not sure how likely that is.

J.OT13 · #**7504** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 3:35 PM**

Vancouver's system with terminus stations downtown seems quite rare. Granted the positioning of downtown is fairly unique. Luckily for them, the Expo downtown portion must have been relatively cheap to build, seeing that they used an existing CPR tunnel.

I wonder if the will ever extend Canada Line across the Harbour to serve North Vancouver (which could be very expensive) and the Expo east, maybe under Hastings.

Back to Ottawa, I certainly hope we one day run fully automated (no driver's cabin), full length trains. That would increase the max capacity significantly.

I do believe that within 30-40 years, will will reach the current projected capacity of 24,000. Not only will the fast expanding suburbs continue to generate park-and-riders, but consider that many Gatineau residents will be forced to transfer at Rideau and Bayview within a few years. Furthermore, the increased density along the line will grow ridership faster than people may think.

Reecemartin · #**7505** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 3:49 PM**

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OCCheetos · #**7507** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 4:22 PM**

https://twitter.com/613STEVE/status/1019768340276043776

Faregates have been delivered to uOttawa station.

1overcosc · #**7508** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Now back to Ottawa!

Heres an interesting question, if down the line the Confederation Line got redesigned rolling stock that more efficiently uses the platforms (i.e. single units), added platform screen doors to allow trains to come into stations faster, and went fully automated what would the ultimate capacity be?

Given the current TTC and Skytrain capacities I am sure it would be well over 30,000 ppdph and given the wise investment in CBTC and long platforms from the get-go this wouldn't even be that difficult to implement.

The Confederation Line can hit about 25,000 or so just by adding more trains to the line and increasing the trains to the maximum length, and could hit about 30,000 on top of that if they pursued full automation (which would allow the minimum headway to drop from 120s to 90s). I'm sure if they got more efficient rolling stock that could go to 35k or so.

613Steve · #**7509** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 6:49 PM**

Faregates were being installed as I biked through uOttawa Station this morning

Uhuniau · #**7510** Posted **Jul 20, 2018, 4:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

I wonder if the will ever extend Canada Line across the Harbour to serve North Vancouver (which could be very expensive) and the Expo east, maybe under Hastings.

That would be a phenomenally bad use of transit construction dollars.

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Back to Ottawa, I certainly hope we one day run fully automated (no driver's cabin), full length trains. That would increase the max capacity significantly.

Seriously, though.

lrt's friend · #**7511** Posted **Jul 20, 2018, 6:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Uhuniau

That would be a phenomenally bad use of transit construction dollars.

Seriously, though.

They did it in San Francisco by building it on the bottom of the bay, however, they sadly already had that on the lower level of the Bay Bridge but they shut it down in 1958 to accommodate more cars. American cities have done some strange things. It didn't take long after they shut down the Key system before they were planning BART.

I hope this city has a little more vision and we start thinking about a second downtown subway. Let's not wait like Toronto until there is perennial transit crisis in the centre of the city.

McC · #**7512** Posted **Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM**

back to our current subway, I noticed today that the funny little standalone entrance on the southwest corner of O'Connor and Queen popped up out of what seemed like nowhere to me.

kmcamp · #**7513** Posted **Jul 20, 2018, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by McC

back to our current subway, I noticed today that the funny little standalone entrance on the southwest corner of O'Connor and Queen popped up out of what seemed like nowhere to me.

That's the accessible entrance. It's a pair of elevators. It did go up fairly quickly, it's been there for a little over a month

J.OT13 · #**7514** Posted **Jul 21, 2018, 3:04 PM**

That entrance has been there for quite a while, ever since they closed up the station a few months ago. It was covered in orange tarps (as with may other entrances) over the winter.

J.OT13 · #**7515** Posted **Jul 21, 2018, 3:18 PM**

Went on top of the Delta Hotel for a few pictures Thursday.

On this one, we can (sort of) see the line coming out of the tunnel, Pimisi Station and Bayview. In person, we can even see Tunney's.

This is Lyon's west entrance.

And yesterday, I took pictures of the Parliament entrances.

Heritage Place entrance.

Accessible entrance.

Sunlife Entrance from Queen and the lobby.

PHrenetic · #**7516** Posted **Jul 22, 2018, 3:48 AM**

Good Day. an FYI ....

a note from OC-Transpo/RTG.... the current construction update....

http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/news/construction-update-183/

notes that : Quote :

The lower-level pedestrian access between St. Laurent Shopping Centre and OC Transpo’s St-Laurent Station has now permanently re-opened to transit users and the general public.

UnQuote.

How much of it, I know not (I suspect probably only the piece from the mall doors to the staircase/escalator up), but it's a start !!

EnJoy!

kevinbottawa · #**7517** Posted **Jul 22, 2018, 5:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day. an FYI ....

a note from OC-Transpo/RTG.... the current construction update....

http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/news/construction-update-183/

notes that : Quote :

The lower-level pedestrian access between St. Laurent Shopping Centre and OC Transpo’s St-Laurent Station has now permanently re-opened to transit users and the general public.

UnQuote.

How much of it, I know not (I suspect probably only the piece from the mall doors to the staircase/escalator up), but it's a start !!

EnJoy!

You can now use the downstairs station access to get to the staircase up to the bus level, but you can get a very tiny peek at the LRT station.

J.OT13 · #**7518** Posted **Jul 22, 2018, 5:45 AM**

Lees from Fleury's Twitter.

https://twitter.com/MathieuFleury/status/1020674778603155456

A few uOttawa from Twitter

https://twitter.com/613STEVE/status/1016844110609698817

https://twitter.com/Milnoc/status/1020697691540647938

eltodesukane · #**7519** Posted **Jul 22, 2018, 11:53 AM**

Hard to believe all this was supposed to be ready in May, when I see so much work still to be done.

corynv · #**7520** Posted **Jul 22, 2018, 1:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Hard to believe all this was supposed to be ready in May, when I see so much work still to be done.

Whenever there's a company that has such a delay that this (for the tunnel and how that impacted things) the builders scale everything back. Since then stations would just sit empty for so many months, and you'd probably need to hire more security than you already do to make sure no one trespasses and ruins things before the station opens. (among some other reasons. like you don't need to pay as many shifts so you can completely drop one or maybe 2 depending on how many you had).

I'm sure the City doesn't want the Stations to just sit empty for months until the line opens. And they aren't going to be letting people in there (unless they do some limited open house thing) before it's operational.