Portage and Main re-opening 2016

[buzzg]

Exactly. It's so funny how strikingly different it is city-to-city. In Edmonton, no one jaywalks (apparently they actually enforce it/care). Also in Edmonton, pedestrians on non-major thoroughfares ALWAYS get the right of way. On a street like Corydon or Grant here in River Heights, even if there's no crosswalk, cars always stop for people waiting to cross the road.

For "Friendly Manitoba" our drivers have this bizarre invincible entitlement that they live in the Jetson's and never need to stop because they're extremely important.

[lilwayne]

build a footbridge

build a footbridge

build a footbridge

something like this be cool

[Wpg_Guy]

^ then just leave it closed. That would do nothing to animate the intersection would remain a dead zone, it’s bulky, ugly and more than likely cost more then taking down the walls.

[trueviking]

^ another option would be to just let people cross the street like they do everywhere else.

I crossed at Broadway and Main today. Struck me how ridiculous this entire debate is. Almost the same conditions yet it’s totally normal to just walk across. No multi-million dollar sky bridge needed. The sky doesn’t fall.

[DancingDuck]

It's worth pointing out that 2 of the 4 examples used above still have on-street pedestrian crossing...

Plus the last example has seperated bike lanes and I'm sure the idea of giving up traffic lanes for bikes lanes on Main and Portage would go over super well...

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by DancingDuck

It's worth pointing out that 2 of the 4 examples used above still have on-street pedestrian crossing...

Plus the last example has seperated bike lanes and I'm sure the idea of giving up traffic lanes for bikes lanes on Main and Portage would go over super well...

They're also not all wheelchair accessible, which would have to happen here (china probably has slacker rules) unless you could also cross at grade. That is one of the major points for opening P&M, since its a pain in the 🞵🞵🞵 for those in wheelchairs to get down to mall. That would add extra long ramps andmake this thing cost a fortune.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Exactly. It's so funny how strikingly different it is city-to-city. In Edmonton, no one jaywalks (apparently they actually enforce it/care). Also in Edmonton, pedestrians on non-major thoroughfares ALWAYS get the right of way. On a street like Corydon or Grant here in River Heights, even if there's no crosswalk, cars always stop for people waiting to cross the road.

For "Friendly Manitoba" our drivers have this bizarre invincible entitlement that they live in the Jetson's and never need to stop because they're extremely important.

I had co-workers in from Calgary recently. They tried to jaywalk immediately and were dumbfounded when nobody stopped for them. Mid block and they just stepped out onto the street. "In Calgary people have to stop" they said.

[ywgwalk]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

"In Calgary people have to stop" they said.

I wish the entire east exchange was a pedestrian priority zone.

[rkspec]

Originally Posted by lilwayne

noone is going to wait at those intersections..

Originally Posted by buzzg

Why do people think that pedestrians will act differently at this intersection than they do everywhere else?. If this is some sort of magical issue, the city could just instruct WPS to start actually enforcing jaywalking.

actual footage of lilwayne crossing the street:

[Ando]

We live in Canada. It gets cold in the winter. Jaywalking is a birthright.

[drew]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Exactly. It's so funny how strikingly different it is city-to-city. In Edmonton, no one jaywalks (apparently they actually enforce it/care). Also in Edmonton, pedestrians on non-major thoroughfares ALWAYS get the right of way. On a street like Corydon or Grant here in River Heights, even if there's no crosswalk, cars always stop for people waiting to cross the road.

For "Friendly Manitoba" our drivers have this bizarre invincible entitlement that they live in the Jetson's and never need to stop because they're extremely important.

I am of the opinion that if you want cars to stop for you as a pedestrian, cross at an intersection or somewhere you are supposed to. If you are randomly standing on the side of the road, a car has no responsibility to stop, and stopping randomly in the street like they do in Alberta is actually more dangerous to all involved - IMO.

Plus, when Alberta drivers bring this "stop for pedestrian" habit to somewhere like Winnipeg, it's a recipe for an accident, or a pedestrian getting hit. And it has nothing to do with being "friendly".

It's happened a few times to me on Academy. A car randomly stops, cars beside and behind it that aren't expecting the stop react - and it becomes a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 show. And sure enough, it's an Alberta plate on the car that stopped.

[Ando]

Here's a great article from Streetblog on jaywalking, with a very entertaining video.

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2017/09/11/where-jaywalking-is-not-a-crime/

[OTA in Winnipeg]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

Speaking of which...

Larry Kudrow, Trumps Economic Advisor, nearly dropped dead of a heart attack, less than 48 hous after announcing the Trump Administration was going to impose those ridiculous tariffs on Canadian made products (steel,etc). He also called Justin Trudeau "Pierre," and proceeded to say there is a "special place in hell" for him.

The almighty God must have been listening. Or maybe it's because during his appearance on CNN, the ex-drug addict looked like he fell off the wagon. I would not be the least surprised if Trump's Administration consisted of a bunch of 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 perverts and drug addicts. History tends to repeat itself, and there are far too many parallels with the Trump Administration and the Third Reich- both being the greatest threat to Western Democracy in their respective centuries.

Anyway, if the heart attack is not karma, I don't know what is.

God bless Canada.

Actually it was Peter Navarro who made that comment. Larry Kudrow called us back stabbers. You're right though. He looked drunk in that interview. Navarrow has since sheepishly apologized.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/politics/peter-navarro-justin-trudeau/index.html

[TimeFadesAway]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

And if there was a city wide referendum at election time asking whether the P&M should remain closed and 70% said YES keep it closed the P&M "open it" proponents would say the referendum means nothing because only 64% of Winnipeg residents voted. Sound about right?!?

They got rid of the referendum model for decisions on large city budget line items for this very reason. People tended to vote down good ideas out of fear and ignorance.

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Exactly. It's so funny how strikingly different it is city-to-city. In Edmonton, no one jaywalks (apparently they actually enforce it/care). Also in Edmonton, pedestrians on non-major thoroughfares ALWAYS get the right of way. On a street like Corydon or Grant here in River Heights, even if there's no crosswalk, cars always stop for people waiting to cross the road.

For "Friendly Manitoba" our drivers have this bizarre invincible entitlement that they live in the Jetson's and never need to stop because they're extremely important.

Winnipeg has some of the worst drivers around. Its probably the only place I've driven in this country where turning on your indicator means the car that is supposed to let you in, speeds up

I especially noticed it the second time i moved here

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I had co-workers in from Calgary recently. They tried to jaywalk immediately and were dumbfounded when nobody stopped for them. Mid block and they just stepped out onto the street. "In Calgary people have to stop" they said.

Yes, but it depends where - when some of my friends from Calgary came to visit they were in shock at the jaywalking. It's a hefty ticket if you get caught jaywalking there.

If you look at some of the rennos on portage ave in the median, you can see they added those sloped sections for people who are jay walking so its safer for them to cross (presumably)

[Gm0ney]

Originally Posted by drew

I am of the opinion that if you want cars to stop for you as a pedestrian, cross at an intersection or somewhere you are supposed to. If you are randomly standing on the side of the road, a car has no responsibility to stop, and stopping randomly in the street like they do in Alberta is actually more dangerous to all involved - IMO.

Plus, when Alberta drivers bring this "stop for pedestrian" habit to somewhere like Winnipeg, it's a recipe for an accident, or a pedestrian getting hit. And it has nothing to do with being "friendly".

It's happened a few times to me on Academy. A car randomly stops, cars beside and behind it that aren't expecting the stop react - and it becomes a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 show. And sure enough, it's an Alberta plate on the car that stopped.

As a pedestrian, I actually get mad when cars stop for me while I'm waiting mid-block to jaywalk. But if I'm at a crosswalk or intersection I get mad if they don't stop. Follow the conventions we're all accustomed to, and everything will be fine.

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by drew

I am of the opinion that if you want cars to stop for you as a pedestrian, cross at an intersection or somewhere you are supposed to. If you are randomly standing on the side of the road, a car has no responsibility to stop, and stopping randomly in the street like they do in Alberta is actually more dangerous to all involved - IMO.

Plus, when Alberta drivers bring this "stop for pedestrian" habit to somewhere like Winnipeg, it's a recipe for an accident, or a pedestrian getting hit. And it has nothing to do with being "friendly".

It's happened a few times to me on Academy. A car randomly stops, cars beside and behind it that aren't expecting the stop react - and it becomes a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 show. And sure enough, it's an Alberta plate on the car that stopped.

I wasn't talking about jaywalking or crossing mid-block – I was referring to where there are actual paved sidewalks to cross a street (aka every block) that aren't lit up or signed as designated intersections. I agree it's dangerous to stop for jaywalkers. In many cities, like Edmonton, if there's pedestrian crossing – vehicles let pedestrians cross, they don't need a sign or flashing signal to tell them.

If we didn't have pedestrians needing to cross 6-lane 60 kmh streets, wouldn't be much of an issue. Great example is the crossing of Bannatyne @ Albert. It's not a "designated" crosswalk – but the street is designed well to make cars drive slow, so they stop when there's people waiting to cross, even though they're not told they have to. Magic.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by buzzg

In many cities, like Edmonton, if there's pedestrian crossing – vehicles let pedestrians cross, they don't need a sign or flashing signal to tell them.

Edmonton has its share of issues too. I used to live on Jasper Avenue and although Jasper had a ton of marked but not signalled crosswalks, there were constant problems of vehicle-pedestrian collisions when that one guy wouldn't stop his car in time for the crossing pedestrian. In some ways the crosswalks create a bit of a false sense of security.

[Wolf13]

Originally Posted by Tacheguy

Downtown Vancouver can be plenty scary to walk around at night. Of course rrskyler wouldn't notice that because many of the drugged out zombies are non-aboriginal.

Stop that 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵. I've said it before, and I'm surprised others didn't.

Whatever political differences you have don't license you to accusing everyone you disagree with as racist. Not only is it a bad look on you, but it's potentially damaging to the accused these modern times.

The race card is powerful, use it more responsibly.

Originally Posted by Ando

Wow, this shocking coming from you. All of the businesses on each corner are in favour of it so I assume they have done the numbers.

Numbers are vague... it's a long play that depends on attaining a critical mass that offsets a % loss in underground traffic with an overall # gain.

Furthermore, it might be slightly political... all landlords are prominent in the city, and it wouldn't be wise to be counterproductive to Wpg's growth in the public eye.

That said, I do feel they're being genuine when they support the opening.

Originally Posted by trueviking

^ another option would be to just let people cross the street like they do everywhere else.

I crossed at Broadway and Main today. Struck me how ridiculous this entire debate is. Almost the same conditions yet it’s totally normal to just walk across. No multi-million dollar sky bridge needed. The sky doesn’t fall.

I don't believe you.

Originally Posted by roccerfeller

Winnipeg has some of the worst drivers around. Its probably the only place I've driven in this country where turning on your indicator means the car that is supposed to let you in, speeds up

I especially noticed it the second time i moved here

This city is comical... If you drive 5-10 over the limit you grossly offend anyone, and changing lanes because one is ending is "aggressive"... not like those people refusing to let you in and run you into a parked car

[TimeFadesAway]

Originally Posted by Wolf13

I don't believe you.

I don't believe that you don't believe him.