Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

Since we have such large grates, they should have done something like this:


https://www.planetizen.com/node/52065?amp

Except you can't really walk on those very easily.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I took a picture of an updated route map at the Doors Open. Unfortunately the image quality is poor, but it is the best I have.

https://i.imgur.com/PCZJF0a.jpg

There seems to show a significant service reduction along Orleans Blvd in Orleans.

Currently that street is served by all-day route 134 between Renaud and Place d'Orleans, and peak route 34.

The map seems to show that the all-day route 134 is eliminated, but route 34 still shows as peak-only service.

That said, I do like the style of the new map, it appears to be clean and easy to read. The Frequent routes should be drawn with lines that are a bit thicker to make them stand out more.

[OCCheetos]

1122 (the LRV that's been parked at Tunney's for a while now) has been moved, or was at least moving at some point today.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ottawa/comments/8p5s7m/otrain_testing_at_tunneys/

[kevinbottawa]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

1122 (the LRV that's been parked at Tunney's for a while now) has been moved, or was at least moving at some point today.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ottawa/comments/8p5s7m/otrain_testing_at_tunneys/

Looks like it's driving pretty fast. At least faster than I used to see them running tests in the east.

[OCCheetos]

I don't think operating speed has been mentioned recently, but I was at the simulator facility on Saturday during doors open and the operator who was in the LRV cab mentioned that the top operational speed of the line will be 80km/h in certain places.

I took a video from in the cab while the train was going between Campus and Tremblay station and the rough outline of the speed of the train will be something like this:

Departing Campus: 45km/h
Between Campus and Lees: 80km/h
Departing Lees: 45km/h
Across the river: 35km/h (He said there was a speed restriction across the bridge, although I don't know if that was just one of the random variables in the simulation)
The curve into Hurdman: 45km/h
Departing Hurdman: 45km/h

Wasn't able to catch the rest on video, but it's good that the trains will be able to pick up some speed on the straightaways.

[1overcosc]

I actually timed the travel in the simulation. It was 9 minutes from Tunney's to Rideau and then 6 minutes from Rideau to Hurdman; didn't watch past Hurdman. What impressed me was how fast the braking was; at many spots the train didn't even start slowing down until it was pretty much in the station.

The simulation used 18 seconds dwell time for every station; that's apparently the average expected dwell time at peak but it will vary, with it approaching 30 seconds at Lyon and Tunney's (at peak), and less than 10 seconds at stations like Cyrville and Tremblay. I asked if it would be lower off peak and they said yes but didn't have numbers.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

The simulation used 18 seconds dwell time for every station; that's apparently the average expected dwell time at peak but it will vary, with it approaching 30 seconds at Lyon and Tunney's (at peak), and less than 10 seconds at stations like Cyrville and Tremblay. I asked if it would be lower off peak and they said yes but didn't have numbers.

Doesn't the driver indicate when to close the doors? No point waiting if no one else is waiting to get on or off if the track is clear. OTOH, if more than the normal number of people are wanting to get on or off, it is best to watt a bit longer than normal. That is one advantage of having someone on the train, though it could also be done remotely via camera.

The only reason to have a fixed dwell time for a given station is to have the train keep to a schedule, but the reality is a fixed schedule for the entire line is not really necessary. Only at the first station at each end of the line (to keep the spacing consistent) and maybe at a couple key transfer stations (especially off peak) should the schedule be fixed.

For the demo, they probably stuck to a consistent 18 seconds, to make it more interesting to watch.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Doesn't the driver indicate when to close the doors? No point waiting if no one else is waiting to get on or off if the track is clear. OTOH, if more than the normal number of people are wanting to get on or off, it is best to watt a bit longer than normal. That is one advantage of having someone on the train, though it could also be done remotely via camera.

The only reason to have a fixed dwell time for a given station is to have the train keep to a schedule, but the reality is a fixed schedule for the entire line is not really necessary. Only at the first station at each end of the line (to keep the spacing consistent) and maybe at a couple key transfer stations (especially off peak) should the schedule be fixed.

For the demo, they probably stuck to a consistent 18 seconds, to make it more interesting to watch.

Doors open automatically, but the operator closes them manually.
When I was there the dwell time at Hurdman was 30 seconds. Fixed dwell times could be used in part to keep trains spaced apart to allow for a consistent frequency of trains.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Doors open automatically, but the operator closes them manually.
When I was there the dwell time at Hurdman was 30 seconds. Fixed dwell times could be used in part to keep trains spaced apart to allow for a consistent frequency of trains.

They could, but as long as each train leaves the first station of each run (Blair and Tunnies for Stage 1), the frequency of trains should remain relatively consistent. A sudden crush of people could delay a train slightly, but the trains load pretty quickly and once the train is full, the driver would close the doors even if people are still on the platform. I can't imagine a train getting more than a minute behind "schedule" (barring some type of emergency) and even that would be unusual.

[kevinbottawa]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

What impressed me was how fast the braking was; at many spots the train didn't even start slowing down until it was pretty much in the station.

I noticed that too.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Doors open automatically, but the operator closes them manually.
When I was there the dwell time at Hurdman was 30 seconds. Fixed dwell times could be used in part to keep trains spaced apart to allow for a consistent frequency of trains.

Interesting! When I was watching it was a fixed 18s at every station I saw (which was Tunney's through Hurdman, I left just before it arrived at Tremblay). Changed settings throughout the day perhaps?

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by roger1818

They could, but as long as each train leaves the first station of each run (Blair and Tunnies for Stage 1), the frequency of trains should remain relatively consistent. A sudden crush of people could delay a train slightly, but the trains load pretty quickly and once the train is full, the driver would close the doors even if people are still on the platform. I can't imagine a train getting more than a minute behind "schedule" (barring some type of emergency) and even that would be unusual.

I imagine the doors make some sort of warning sound telling people they're about to close.

In other cities people trying to jam the doors open when they're closing is a problem. Even in high frequencies; people do this on the Yonge subway in Toronto all the time even though the frequency is never worse than 4 minutes.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

I imagine the doors make some sort of warning sound telling people they're about to close.

I would imagine so. Every system I have been on does that.

In other cities people trying to jam the doors open when they're closing is a problem. Even in high frequencies; people do this on the Yonge subway in Toronto all the time even though the frequency is never worse than 4 minutes.

True. There isn't much you can do about that though, other than keep trying while announcing that (in both languages) that there will be another train in 3 minutes.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Fedco June update from Keith Egli's website;

http://keithegli.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/FEDCO-5June18_FINAL_EN.pdf

Good Day.

..... also a 2018 Q1 accomplishments and forecast summary memo to council May 10 (7 pg.) :

http://keithegli.ca/wp-content/uploads/2...tion-Line-Q1-2018-Memo._FINAL_EN-002.pdf

EnJoy.

[harls]

Snapped a few pics last week..

[AuxTown]

Love this shot! Can't wait until things are built up along the LRT at Lebreton. Gonna be such a cool neighbourhood! (someday)

[Uhuniau]

That bik— er, multi-use underpass at Bayview is a death trap.

[silvergate]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

That bik— er, multi-use underpass at Bayview is a death trap.

Everything about bayview right now is garbage for bikes, and transfers. Hope they learn some lessons from it for stations during phase 2

[Kitchissippi]

I think Bayview and uOttawa where the entrances are dependent on busy shared pathways are really poorly designed. Add to the fact that the pathways have relatively steep grades and curving sightlines, there are accidents just waiting to happen.

There should have been a wider segregated use tunnel at Bayview as it is the only way to get to the westbound platform from the street. The way it is now, people have to cross oncoming traffic twice to get from the sidewalk to the entrance on the other side.

It also boggles me that at uOttawa there isn't another way to access the eastbound platform other than through that narrow tunnel already overused to access the Corktown Bridge. How hard is it to have included another entrance in the middle of the station? Pimisi on the other hand has elaborate below track entrances/exits to the aqueduct and some alleyway on the other side.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by silvergate

Everything about bayview right now is garbage for bikes, and transfers. Hope they learn some lessons from it for stations during phase 2

It's not biker safety I am getting at about Bayview; it's the jerk-as cyclists who I see nearly running people down - either others, or me - almost every time I have the misfortune of having to go through that damn thing.